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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968144)

Might we meet on this: it is undemocratic in terms of national parliaments that the European Parliament is dead keen on trumping them?

This is a mutually agreed relationship under the TFEU treaty and written in to local laws. For example the European Communities Act 1972 and subsequent amendments in the UK where we accept the entire EU Acquis communautaire. Of course we had a referendum three years after passing this law on continued membership.

The Maastricht treaty included a mechanism where parliaments can push back on issues which should fall under national legislation rather than the EU. It's been used three times since the mechanism was introduced.

So, to answer your direct question/statement, there are situations where the EU competency trumps the local one but this is agreed between the nations and the EU under the TFEU. Where the EU tries to go over its remit and interfere with local non-EU related issues, the principle of subsidiarity comes in the mechanisms are in place to prevent this. Finally where the local parliaments disagree with an EU law that is in the EUs remit, then it would be knocked back by the local representative at COREPER or in the Council vote if MEPs don't follow their local whip.

Latest update from Brexiters' World:

Farage: Gets German passports for kids
Lawson: Applies for French residency
Dyson: Chooses Singapore for factory.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968146)

Latest update from Brexiters' World:

Farage: Gets German passports for kids

Your latest update is seriously flawed.

Trying to mislead as usual Andrew. Pathetic.

Farage has four children, two with his wife Kirsten Mehr, who is a German national.

And incase it's escaped your brain -His children would ordinarily be entitled to German citizenship through their mother.

Nothing to bloody do with Brexit. Being insincere with the facts, does not help you one bit! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35968145)

I'm at a loss to know why you're missing my perfectly explained point.

Again - the EU Parliament is keen on federalisation because it will then trump national parliaments - notwithstanding the consultation that might take place. The EC is trying to creep the EU into federalisation.

Nothing to do with current rules - it's where the EU project is trying to go, starting with the Eurozone.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968146)

Dyson: Chooses Singapore for factory.

No minimum wage, 44 hour working week

Dyson soon to be available in Primark :D

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35968084)

The petition is doing well

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...J9XAT85WC240hQ

48,000;)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35968133)

52,000 NOW

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal

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Give People a Final Say on Brexit Deal

993,342 have signed

;)

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968052)

Irrelevant what they have been tasked with - democracy should prevail and democracy decided we leave the EU.

You haven't provided any evidence from day one, because there isn't any, they are predictions and predictions can be wrong (like they have been so far with project fear being nothing but utter fiction!).

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968148)

Nothing I have said is incorrect.
No one's pretending they weren't entitled to German passports. It's scarcely a vote of confidence in the UK to get German passports for them when they live in this country.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35968160)

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal ;)

Reading that large petition, I think one of the reasons suggested for signing might well chime with a fellow forum member.

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The people on both sides should have the chance to finish what they started. With reality coming into focus, it’s only natural to check this future is what people really want. After years of negotiations behind closed doors, the people must not be shut out of the final decision.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35968160)

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal ;)

The losers petition has had more exposure than the other one. Either way, we’ve had a vote already, people voted to leave the EU. 17.4 Million beats 900K or 700K, very insignificant figures, compared to the vote two years ago and the election results of the snap election a year later in 2017, show the electorate want to get on with leaving the EU.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968161)

It's a mistake to confuse advice to the Government on coping with various potential scenarios with a pamphlet written to sell the benefits of remaining in the EU (aka Project Fear).
It's also wishful thinking to pretend that projections from economists have been wrong. As well as the lower economic growth than our peers, we've also got a far weaker £. And on trade, companies are busy stockpiling and the Government is turning the M26 into a lorry park. Facts. Not fiction.

Nothing I have said is incorrect.
No one's pretending they weren't entitled to German passports. It's scarcely a vote of confidence in the UK to get German passports for them when they live in this country.

Reading that large petition, I think one of the reasons suggested for signing might well chime with a fellow forum member.

One phrase chimes. The rest - not. If the original Referendum had stated 1/2 (a theoretical posit) then a second referendum would be in order. The only circumstances where I can see another referendum is if it is forced by parliamentary deadlock under a different government. We need to get over the departure line and get away from the awful undemocratic hegemonist scheister driven EU.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35968112)

Not really compared to the 390,000 that have signed the petition for a new referendum.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8467491.html

That one is not far off a million signatures now (994,503 at the time of post).

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35968172)

That one is not far off a million signatures now (994,503 at the time of post).

Still won't make a difference.

We’ve already had a second peoples vote.

As the old adage goes, "A week is long time in politics". ;)

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35968182)

As the old adage goes, "A week is long time in politics". ;)

It might be even shorter if the conspirators get their way.;)

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35968172)

That one is not far off a million signatures now (994,503 at the time of post).

it’ll be the same debate whichever reaches 1 million.