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Damien 07-11-2025 14:43

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36205989)
….Or cut back on waste, which they won’t do.

But this is also fantasy politics. Something politicians say to pretend you don't have to make difficult choices. You can cut waste, sure, but it isn't enough to make up for the huge cost of providing pensions, benefits or services. Reform tried this nonsense and soon found themselves having to raise taxes because adult social care is expensive and making sure people don't order too many post-it cuts and cut back on the after-hours taxis doesn't pay for it.

Mr K 07-11-2025 14:43

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Income tax is due a rise, it hasnt been raised for 50 years, just cut. The state of the nations finances hasn't much to do with this Govt, who've been in a little over a year, but the last 20 years, and decisions made by the electorate.

With an ageing non productive population, increaded demands on the NHS/care systen, and a public that demand all this and more, but dont want to pay for it.

If they cut NI to protect those that bother to work then fair enough.
Its like when you go shopping, you don't get something for nothing, and if you want more, you have to pay more.

Carth 07-11-2025 15:15

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36205993)
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With an ageing non productive population

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I'd be a lot more concerned about the younger, fitter, and can't be arsed non productive population.

Pierre 07-11-2025 15:23

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36205993)
and if you want more, you have to pay more.

or we could offer less, and pay less.

The government doesn't deserve more tax receipts as it has proven itself incapable of being being able to spend it prudently.

Mr K 07-11-2025 15:48

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36206000)
or we could offer less, and pay less.

The government doesn't deserve more tax receipts as it has proven itself incapable of being being able to spend it prudently.

What do you want less of ? Health, education, police, transport, state pension?

papa smurf 07-11-2025 16:03

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36206001)
What do you want less of ? Health, education, police, transport, state pension?

less bullshyte

Carth 07-11-2025 16:06

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36206001)
What do you want less of ? Health, education, police, transport, state pension?

I'd go for:

Facebook
Twitter (lets rename it 'X' because . . . )
Net Zero
AI
Data Centers
TV (40 channels of shite is more than enough)
Idiots
Spam Phone Calls
Advertisements
Promoting the 2% of stuff that the other 98% don't give a toss about
American Culture
Shops/Businesses selling nothing but cheap rubbish imports



'sigh' . . . and breathe :D

1andrew1 07-11-2025 16:56

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36205989)
….Or cut back on waste, which they won’t do.

Like Reform do in Kent. :D

Paul 07-11-2025 17:38

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36206003)
I'd go for:
Facebook
Twitter (lets rename it 'X' because . . . )
Net Zero
AI
Data Centers
TV (40 channels of shite is more than enough)
Idiots
Spam Phone Calls
Advertisements
Promoting the 2% of stuff that the other 98% don't give a toss about
American Culture
Shops/Businesses selling nothing but cheap rubbish imports

Except most of those dont seem to have anything to do with income tax we pay.

Carth 07-11-2025 18:03

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36206006)
Except most of those dont seem to have anything to do with income tax we pay.

true enough . . but I'd still like less of them

oh, and I forgot to add the Celebrity Fixation to the list, far too much of that around for my liking :Yes:

Sephiroth 07-11-2025 18:11

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36206001)
What do you want less of ? Health, education, police, transport, state pension?

The sensible among us want less of £52m roads to nowhere in (Lammy's) Guyana; £10 billion to lease back our property in the Chagos (which may be on hold at the moment).

The £52 million is really tangible; think what it could support by way of child mental health?

Pierre 07-11-2025 18:53

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36206001)
What do you want less of ? Health, education, police, transport, state pension?

Less spent on illegal immigration
Less benefits for working age people that are a bit anxious
Less benefits for legal immigrants that have never worked (usually relatives brought over)
Less money spent on public sector pensions
Less money wasted in the NHS
Less money spent on the Chagos islands (hopefully no money)

To start, if I really think about it I could easily come up with more.

mrmistoffelees 07-11-2025 21:13

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36206000)
or we could offer less, and pay less.

The government doesn't deserve more tax receipts as it has proven itself incapable of being being able to spend it prudently.

This, this & this again

I pulled this from my HMRC app , it’s for last tax year

This shows a breakdown of how your taxes have be spent by government.
Description
Welfare (21.6%)
Health (20.2%)
State Pensions (11.4%)
National Debt Interest (11.1%)
Education (10.2%)
Defence (5.2%)
Public Order and Safety (4.4%)
Transport (4.2%)
Business and Industry (4.2%)
Government Administration (2.1%)
Housing and Utilities, like street lighting (1.8%)
Environment (1.4%)
Culture, like sports, libraries, museums (1.2%)
Overseas Aid (0.7%)
Outstanding payment- to 4b- Ell/n 5%)

My local council spending
Adult Social Care and Children's Care account for 80% of all net Council expenditure.

Meanwhile, in a neighbouring council
https://www.stockton.gov.uk/article/...ds-this-winter


These numbers to me are petrifying

jem 07-11-2025 22:07

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36206016)
This, this & this again

I pulled this from my HMRC app , it’s for last tax year

This shows a breakdown of how your taxes have be spent by government.
Description
Welfare (21.6%)
Health (20.2%)
State Pensions (11.4%)
National Debt Interest (11.1%)
Education (10.2%)
Defence (5.2%)
Public Order and Safety (4.4%)
Transport (4.2%)
Business and Industry (4.2%)
Government Administration (2.1%)
Housing and Utilities, like street lighting (1.8%)
Environment (1.4%)
Culture, like sports, libraries, museums (1.2%)
Overseas Aid (0.7%)
Outstanding payment- to 4b- Ell/n 5%)

My local council spending
Adult Social Care and Children's Care account for 80% of all net Council expenditure.

Meanwhile, in a neighbouring council
https://www.stockton.gov.uk/article/...ds-this-winter


These numbers to me are petrifying

Indeed if you look at the figures, then over 50% of all Government spending is on welfare, health and pensions. So if the consensus is that saving need to be made, then these are are areas which need to be targeted.

Except, although logically obvious, they are political dynamite. No party wants to campaign on ‘vote for us and we will cut pensions and money for the NHS - because that is absolutely necessary’. Won’t end well.

So we get the short-term views, vote for us, it’ll all be fine! Maybe, maybe, if (and it’s a big if), you can grow the economy then, fine, maybe health etc. can be better funded. But maybe in the short term, to do this requires cuts in the above services to invest in others?

Sephiroth 07-11-2025 22:46

Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Whilst I support removal of the 2.5% aspect of the triple lock, it's not gonna free a lot of cash for the government when you think about what is happening in the economy and current inflation.

So, what can be done with pensions? Obviously, raise the pension age immediately to at least 70. They can't reduce the payout per week.

They can't touch health other than discover where waste can be cut. They can clamp down on welfare, but the money will need to be rirected for END/child mental health.

We really are up shit creek nix paddle.




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