Cable Forum - Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Far fetched rubbish. Breaches of the Coronavirus restrictions, doesn’t equate to being arrested and interviewed by Police, breachers get sent questionnaires, and it’s taken from there as to any decision to issue a fine. You really do need to get this out of your head, breaking Covid laws, doesn’t constitute criminality, they’re not “career criminals” either. :dunce:

If you look at the post and the quote it’s quite clear I was referring to papa’s assertion that people will view it as okay to break the law. It was also implied in his post that people would perceive it as okay to mislead the police.

By people I took him to mean the public as a whole.

You seem hung up on the distinction between breaking the law and a criminal record. I really hope that’s not the hill Boris’s supporters choose to die on if/when Starmer as cleared and if the Gray report is as damning as being briefed to the press.

It’ll be political suicide with Raab, Hunt, Truss and others waiting in the wings bring the end to Boris career sooner rather than later.

If helpful to stop the discussion being sidetracked every time I’ll refer to Boris breaking the law, but not as a “criminal”.

1andrew1

22-05-2022 12:22

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

"Alexa, show me what disdain for those who pay your salary looks like."

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Partygate latest: Nadhim Zahawi fails eight times to say who called Boris Johnson and Sue Gray meeting

He dodged the question eight times and refused to give any details of the controversial meeting

Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi has repeatedly failed to clarify who initiated a recent meeting between Boris Johnson and Sue Gray over the highly-anticipated Partygate report.

The Cabinet Minister refused to answer the question eight times in a fiery exchange on Sky News’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme.

Mr Zahawi insisted the Prime Minister has “never intervened in the investigation Sue Gray has conducted” but said he did not know any details of the meeting, which was revealed to have taken place on Friday...

Government sources told the BBC that Ms Gray had instigated the meeting over a month ago “to clarify her intentions” about what would happen after the completion of the Met Police inquiry...

But a source close to Ms Gray’s inquiry told i she had not asked for the meeting and denied any of the report’s contents, including photos, had been discussed.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/pa...e-gray-1643577

Mick	22-05-2022 13:12

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

No matter what the report says, Johnson isn’t facing any more fines, it would have been the additional fines that buried Johnson, Gray report cannot make it sound any more law breaking than those that want it to be.

And because of the criminal investigation lingering on, under Labour and Starmer, there is not much ammunition the ineffective Labour team can throw at them that will stick, Tory MPs will just counter Labour with the Miners Hall event.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123155)

I think when jfman is talking about career criminals here, he's referencing those members of society who make their day-to-day living from crime. Not those politicians and civil servants in receipt of one or more FPNs from breaking Covid regulations.

Seriously?

Makes absolutely no sense what he said. So hardened criminals sat in a police interview room, suddenly muster up stuff from the political world?

They’ll have been far too disengaged from society to follow politics, they will have been far too busy running their criminal enterprises, to raise nonsense about Starmer.

Sephiroth

22-05-2022 15:34

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123171)

"Alexa, show me what disdain for those who pay your salary looks like."

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/pa...e-gray-1643577

[COLOR="Blue"]You could be tempted into thinking Zahawi had been there at wherever meeting took place. He could have said he wasn’t at any such meeting but didn’t..
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jfman

22-05-2022 17:53

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36123172)

It makes perfect sense in the context of the post I was replying to.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

If he does then the people will know that it's ok to break the law because sir beer has led the way, it's ok to lead the police to believe certain people weren't involved and conveniently blur the facts about food and drink ........

And yes, I doubt very much anyone would raise it, or it be relevant if they had. My best wishes were entirely sarcastic.

1andrew1

23-05-2022 12:01

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Boris Johnson is expected to throw his cabinet secretary under the bus over the Downing Street parties in 2020 and 2021 to save his job, sources say.

After reports of a ‘secret meeting’ with Sue Gray about the Partygate saga several weeks ago, there are concerns the prime minister is looking for a scapegoat.

Whitehall officials believe the man set to take the blame is the head of the civil service Simon Case, who has not received a fine from the Metropolitan Police.

According to a senior figure, Ms Gray’s report could be even more damaging for the Tory leader than the fine he was given in April for attending his own birthday party.

They stressed ‘it will make clear’ the PM was involved in other events, which may have breached Covid-19, but for which the police did not fine him.

‘From my expectation of what I know it will be the real deal. There will be detail. There will be evidence,’ the source told the Guardian.

‘She [Ms Gray] is going to say this is under your watch, this is your house, all that kind of stuff.’

As the UK’s most senior civil servant, Mr Case is expected to be heavily criticised in Ms Gray’s report for allowing a rife drinking culture to develop and for rule-breaking parties to go on for two years.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/22/boris...gate-16687932/

Interesting observation from former FT editor Lionel Barber. He goes a bit OB in his last sentence. ;)

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If as per Observer report, Simon Case is to be the fall guy, Johnson would be on his third Cabinet Secretary in three years - as bad as Trump in the White House as well as a terrible signal to the UK civil service. BUT Let’s wait and see for Sue Gray report!

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Simo...ertical=trends

Mick	23-05-2022 12:13

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123245)

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/22/boris...gate-16687932/

More media bluff about the report being more bad than receiving a fine and, if there was evidence, there would have been more fines, it’s not hard.

1andrew1

23-05-2022 12:13

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

Suggestion is photos may be leaked by junior civil servants unhappy at being fined.

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Dominic Cummings predicts bombshell Partygate photos will be published within 48 hours

Ex-Downing Street advisor Dominic Cummings claimed that bombshell images would be published in the 'next 24-48 hours' which would show that the Prime Minister 'obviously lied to the Commons and possibly to the cops'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...hotos-27038571

Damien

23-05-2022 12:23

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

No 10 now do admit they requested the meeting: https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/stat...96675551821826

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After numerous briefings, statements and even a Government minister saying otherwise *this morning*, Downing street have now admitted the Prime Minister's office did request his meeting with Sue Gray. This all looks totally fine, nothing to see here!

jfman

23-05-2022 12:31

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36123248)

No 10 now do admit they requested the meeting: https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/stat...96675551821826

I’m shocked they lied/denied this. Shocked I tells ya.

Mick	23-05-2022 12:34

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

Who cares? :zzz:

The PM commissioned the report, he can request what he likes about it.

It’s just desperate nonsense by folk still trying to bury Johnson, this is tactic 2, given multiple fines angle didn’t work and neither will this.

Damien

23-05-2022 12:42

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36123251)

Because it's just more pointless lying. They even had the front page of the Daily Mail saying Sue Gray was playing politics and lying about not calling the meeting, a few hours later it's admitted she didn't and it was No 10.

And he if can request what he likes about it then they should stop pretending it's independent.

1andrew1

23-05-2022 12:46

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36123253)

I really had hoped that the fines and Sue Gray Report would lead to No 10 cleaning up its act. Whether by incompetence or design, No 10 continues to fail to provide the open and honest governance that the country needs.

Mick	23-05-2022 12:56

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36123253)

Didn’t you know, lying was a common politician trait, it’s sad agreed but this is a nothing burger.

Report will be published but I don’t see how it can be more devastating for Johnson when he hasn’t received any further fines and they (the MET police), would have had all the evidence, Gray’s insights before any of it get in the public domain.

Those believing there is some juicy intel that will be the golden nugget to Johnson’s demise are going to be sorely disappointed, again.

TheDaddy

23-05-2022 12:58

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123245)

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/22/boris...gate-16687932/

Interesting observation from former FT editor Lionel Barber. He goes a bit OB in his last sentence. ;)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Simo...ertical=trends

I'm sure Mr Case will be given a knighthood to compensate/ keep his mouth shut, these people don't live in the real world, some sycophant apologist was on the radio earlier saying we have to understand the pressure and unimaginable hours they were working, well just using myself as an example and not the healthcare workers who had it hardest of all, three people in my office died, I was already doing 60+ hours a week before I had to cover additional hours and yet I managed it without getting pissed every night in the office

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