Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995241)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35995242)

The EU originally proposed a backstop that would mean Northern Ireland staying in the EU customs union, large parts of the single market and the EU VAT system. Its chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, continually emphasised that this backstop could only apply to Northern Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-44615404

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35990900)

Six more months of the same circular arguments.

I’m not coming back on here until the status quo has changed and there’s actually something new to discuss.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995245)

So what's changed ? ;)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995245)

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Surprised you quoting the Biased Brussels Corporation, as we know they just make things up !

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995267)

One thing May got absolutely right, was a controlled and measured exit from 40+ years in the EU would be the least damaging to the economy.

Sadly, the whole Brexit issue has been taken over by the "instant gratification" of a crash out exit. The winners will be the disaster capitalists, the losers will be anyone on a restricted income.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995267)

One thing May got absolutely right, was a controlled and measured exit from 40+ years in the EU would be the least damaging to the economy.

Sadly, the whole Brexit issue has been taken over by the "instant gratification" of a crash out exit. The winners will be the disaster capitalists, the losers will be anyone on a restricted income.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995269)

If we do leave without a deal, there will be a lot of pain. Then the recriminations will start, Brexiters had better start of thinking about someone else to blame, as those that supported them will want answers. The tragedy is that the main protagonists Farrage, Bozza, JRM et al will be some of the few to be ok/benefit, quelle surprise ! The masses however will come after them with burning torches - they'll probably emigrate to France like that other keen Brexiter Nigel Lawson....

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995271)

There was nothing wrong in principle with the Withdrawal Agreement (apart from the backstop) which was only designed to be a temporary measure to help both sides with the transition. Provided that at the end of the two years we had a complete divorce from the EU with no strings, that was ok with me.

Whether the ERG has overplayed its hand, I'm not sure, but I guess we'll know some time before Christmas. Hopefully, the overwhelming win by the Brexit Party at the EU elections will send a message that Parliamentarians would be foolish to ignore, and we will then start making proper preparations to leave, with or without a deal.

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The sky would not fall in if we left. I see you are still deploying your Project Fear arguments, Mr K. It's only those Remainers who won't accept the result that are promoting this view. These arguments are simply not accepted by Brexiteers and the other thinking people who just want the democratic will of the people to be enforced.

In the end, everyone will benefit from a clean Brexit, as we will take the maximum opportunities out there to increase the wealth of the country.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35995274)

Insouciance will only take you so far..eventually one has to get serious about where you are going in the future.Lack of planning can cause so much grief and recrimination further down the line.

Hope for the best but expect the worst isn't a bad maxim for life.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995279)

Increased trade with more countries, free from EU restrictions, is where we should be going. I see no reason to be fearful of that.

I fear the EU imploding while we're still part of it. That's the scary scenario.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)

That's along the lines of (and about as realistic as) "getting divorced isn't a problem - there's lots of attractive people out there who will want to go out with me". It doesn't matter how powerful/good looking you once were, it's how you are today that counts.

It's not that simple - the world is increasingly globalised, made up of large trading blocs, which have greater negotiating power over individual countries; the exceptions to this being the USA and China due to there large economic bases and populations.

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)

That's along the lines of (and about as realistic as) "getting divorced isn't a problem - there's lots of attractive people out there who will want to go out with me". It doesn't matter how powerful/good looking you once were, it's how you are today that counts.

It's not that simple - the world is increasingly globalised, made up of large trading blocs, which have greater negotiating power over individual countries; the exceptions to this being the USA and China due to there large economic bases and populations.

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35995294)

Why are we “against” the world? We want to be “with” the world.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995296)

We've got a funny way of showing it ! The EU are our largest trading partner and we're divorcing them.