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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36031990)

... and we're waffling on about JustGiving's take.

Just about every advert on tv lately is a charity asking for donations,i never realised there were so many.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36031994)

Just about every advert on tv lately is a charity asking for donations,i never realised there were so many.

... and I somewhat object to them when they are asking for a monthly contribution.

I seriously object to the cremation advert being peddled regularly - very poor taste.

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I seriously object to the cremation advert being peddled regularly - very poor taste.

Is that the one with the cartoon character that looks suspiciously like Corbyn?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36031996)

Is that the one with the cartoon character that looks suspiciously like Corbyn?

In that case I don't object in the slightest!

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36031992)

Care homes have always had a PPE requirement covered quite adequately by a network of suppliers. Only now with supplies being stolen en route is there an issue.

”stolen"?
Do you mean this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...als-say-bosses

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At a meeting of the committee last Thursday, Martin Green, the chief executive of Care England, which represents bigger care home chains, told MPs that wholesalers were prioritising supplying the NHS over care homes, even though ministers had asked them not to do so.

The Sunday Times has a pretty brutal item about the Governments failings in February: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ster-hq3b9tlgh http://archive.vn/ofnfS

- Calls to stock up on PPE were ignored
- Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings
- Warnings from SAGE and other scientists about the danger of the virus were ignored

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It was a message repeated throughout February but the warnings appear to have fallen on deaf ears. The need, for example, to boost emergency supplies of protective masks and gowns for health workers was pressing, but little progress was made in obtaining the items from the manufacturers, mainly in China.
Instead, the government sent supplies the other way — shipping 279,000 items of its depleted stockpile of protective equipment to China during this period, following a request for help from the authorities there.

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The failure to obtain large amounts of testing equipment was another big error of judgment, according to the Downing Street source. It would later be one of the big scandals of the coronavirus crisis that the considerable capacity of Britain’s private laboratories to mass-produce tests was not harnessed during those crucial weeks of February.

The lack of action was confirmed by Doris-Ann Williams, chief executive of the British In Vitro Diagnostics Association, which represents 110 companies that make up most of the UK’s testing sector. Amazingly, she says her organisation did not receive a meaningful approach from the government asking for help until April 1 — the night before Hancock bowed to pressure and announced a belated and ambitious target of 100,000 tests a day by the end of this month.

There was also a failure to replenish supplies of gowns and masks for health and care workers in the early weeks of February — despite NHS England declaring the virus its first “level four critical incident” at the end of January.

The article frequently states that Johnson was not around for Cobra meetings, SAGE meetings and Cabinet meetings.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36032007)

Very damning, more so from a pro-Conservative paper.
Would be interesting to understand the reasons for this. Is it because Johnson is not into detail and meetings? Was it because the Government had little bandwidth as it was focused on Brexit?

Hold the government to account, yes.

Investigate were things went wrong and were “mistakes” were made, yes.

Even, when it’s over, investigate if there was culpable negligence, yes.

But also appreciate what they are trying to do, what they are up against, and what they have done.

Support what they are trying to do during this crisis so we can get through it, and have a country and economy when we come out of it.

Also the media need to take a good hard look at themselves as some of the reports, from Sky and the BBC, have been misleading and sensationalist and not helpful.

I suppose all the supermarket bosses are at fault for not stocking up on supplies ready for the insane panic buying. They should have had more toilet rolls ready ....

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36032011)

I suppose all the supermarket bosses are at fault for not stocking up on supplies ready for the insane panic buying. They should have had more toilet rolls ready ....

The point is there seems to have been ample warning and a period of a month to six weeks were the alarm bells were ringing at the PM was not attending various meetings, PPE was not being stocked up and even being sent to China despite the NHS requesting it. The Government is saying now how quickly they're trying to get resources, why not start two months ago when the NHS raised the threat level?

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36032011)

I suppose all the supermarket bosses are at fault for not stocking up on supplies ready for the insane panic buying. They should have had more toilet rolls ready ....

They didn't send existing toilet rolls to China or ignore advice to order more toilet rolls though?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36032010)

Investigate were things went wrong and were “mistakes” were made, yes.

Even, when it’s over, investigate if there was culpable negligence, yes.

But also appreciate what they are trying to do, what they are up against, and what they have done.

Support what they are trying to do during this crisis so we can get through it, and have a country and economy when we come out of it.

Also the media need to take a good hard look at themselves as some of the reports, from Sky and the BBC, have been misleading and sensationalist and not helpful.

I think they've done well in some aspects as the disaster took hold but those missing months will be the focus of that investigation when things settle down. It appears the Government did little until Italy raised alarm bells. The article is especially damning of Johnson's many absences from meetings where this was discussed as well.

A Cobra meeting is just a meeting coordinating different departments. If an issue is raised then it has to be investigated by the department(s) and a potential response can then be decided. If is becomes apparent during the course of a meeting that a particular thing needs doing immediately, then that can be reported to the PM immediately. The different ministers and departments would go away and formulate plans. That is THEIR job. The PM wouldn't need to be there for those stages.

Which country that has been affected in a major way has had enough PPE?
Japan has had only 200+ deaths so far, yet....
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Doctors in Japan have warned that the country's medical system could collapse amid a wave of new coronavirus cases.
Emergency rooms have been unable to treat some patients with serious health conditions due to the extra burden caused by the virus, officials say.
One ambulance carrying a patient with coronavirus symptoms was turned away by 80 hospitals before he could be seen.
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Hospitals are already turning away patients, and all this while the number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 remains relatively low compared with other countries.
Doctors have complained of a lack of protective equipment, which suggests Japan has not prepared well for the virus. This is despite the fact it was the second country outside China to record an infection, way back in January.

Just more of the never-ending nonsense.

The Sunday Times is reporting that schools will open in three weeks' time
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/stat...097024/photo/1

Good article on planning for the return here
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...tage-exit-plan

Education secretary has basically rubbished that Sunday Times report about Schools. They will open when the science says they should open, he says.