Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968044)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968049)

Civil servants have been tasked with preparing impartial analysis. You've provided no evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968045)

#2268 from Pierre.

I have not taken issue with countries exercising their sovereign rights! I am simply pointing out that doing a negotiation with the EU is actually doing a negotiation with 27 countries. This is not the case in respect of any other country with whom we will be and are negotiating.

There is no difference of opinion that I can ascertain in respect of there also being EU trade deals with other countries, so I am not sure why you have made that point.

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You know very well that most of the withdrawal arrangements are in place. That's what the 95% was referring to.

0% merely reflects the fact that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968043)

Only trade deals with the EU seem to be interminable.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35968056)

I am not sure how long you think "interminable" is? Here's some data on FTA's with the US:

How Long Does It Take to Conclude a Trade Agreement With the US?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968053)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968057)

And the EU is still yet to agree a deal with the US, the negotiations for which started over a decade ago.

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The full details will be made publicly available at the end of the process.

Surely, you are not suggesting that negotiations should be carried out under the full glare of publicity? It's chaotic enough with the morsels the public have been thrown so far!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968060)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968024)

None of the EU trade deals had the obstacles that Brexit currently has. The EU are both the irresistible force and the immovable object in the Brexit case. Your question was entirely flawed and in the usual spirit of talking the UK down.


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You've invented an argument here. The EC and Parliament are at one about the Irish Border. So those scheisters in the European Parliament, whose aim is to trump national parliaments through federalisation, would not be over-ruling the EC. Again, an artificially construed sneer.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968043)

Only trade deals with the EU seem to be interminable.

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35968062)

Those 'scheisters' were elected by the people through direct elections. Are our 73 MEPs 'scheisters'?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968061)

Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and details will not be made available until there is agreement.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968064)

I've told you why I call them scheisters; they want parliamentary supremacy over national parliaments. Seems undemocratic to me.


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That's what I'm complaining about. The nothing/everything phrase is irrelevant. The public want to know what's in the 95%? What has the guvmin given away up to this stage? What has it won?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968063)

Asking for a friend of a friend. Please can you give her her magic calculator back. Please post it to D. Abbott, House of Commons, Westminster. :D

But seriously, any real evidence for your statement?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35968064)

I've told you why I call them scheisters; they want parliamentary supremacy over national parliaments. Seems undemocratic to me.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968079)

Answered twice now, Andrew.

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35968083)

But we voted for them so they are our democratically elected representatives...

I can understand where the EU might intervene in issues that affect EU treaties, principles and laws but do you have examples of where the EU parliament, commission or council have broken the principles of subsidiarity?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968085)

You haven't. You have been asked to demonstrate that the EU takes longer to negotiate trade deals than its peers. We all know they take several years.