Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Separate note - Turkey. If they do get any traction for membership I can see Cyprus wanting to leave. Talking with Cypriots, one reason for joining the EU is protection from Turkey, if the Turks get free movement they would likely just move in.

Cyprus could just veto the membership of Turkey and that would be the end of that as European Council unanimity is required for accession. When push came to shove, Greece would probably veto too.

Turkey is a loooooong way from becoming a member of the EU. It's even further away today as one of the main supporters of Turkeys accession to the EU has just left...

Hugh	03-02-2020 13:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024155)

If you open my post in an incognito window play ode to joy whilst wearing a tin foil hat and waving an EU flag.you'll get the full story.;)

Keep taking the pills... :D

denphone

03-02-2020 14:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024161)

Keep taking the pills... :D

Well l take over 20 a day so he can have one of those modified with a bitter aftertaste if he wants.;)

papa smurf

03-02-2020 15:22

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36024167)

Well l take over 20 a day so he can have one of those modified with a bitter aftertaste if he wants.;)

I don't take any medication and i hope i will never need to.

Hugh	04-02-2020 08:29

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We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

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Mr Johnson used his speech on "unleashing Britain's potential" to raise the prospect of the UK reverting to World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms if EU chiefs refuse to sign off on a Canada-style free trade agreement.

In his speech in Greenwich, London, the PM said: "We have often been told that we must choose between full access to the EU market, along with accepting its rules and courts on the Norway model, or an ambitious free trade agreement, which opens up markets and avoids the full panoply of EU regulation, on the example of Canada.

We have made our choice - we want a free trade agreement, similar to Canada's but in the very unlikely event that we do not succeed, then our trade will have to be based on our existing Withdrawal Agreement with the EU.

"The choice is emphatically not 'deal or no deal'. The question is whether we agree a trading relationship with the EU comparable to Canada's - or more like Australia's. In either case, I have no doubt that Britain will prosper mightily."

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?

Mr K	04-02-2020 08:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)

We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?

It was a lie Hugh, one of many. I don't think those that told them expected they'd have to deliver.

papa smurf

04-02-2020 09:31

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Have you tried opening that in an incognito window and.........

Chris

04-02-2020 10:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)

I find it very hard to believe you don’t understand exactly what pre-negotiation tough talk sounds like. You may have noticed the EU doing it as well.

Sephiroth

04-02-2020 10:50

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We’ve been over this sneering argument so many times. The EU could have been decent chaps and started from the position of perfect alignment. They chose instead to be bustards.

Now we have our sovereignty we must pick up on their bustardy and adjust accordingly. The whole world is out there.

jonbxx

04-02-2020 11:29

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The problems is, way back in October, Boris Johnson signed off on the Political Declaration which included this;

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The precise nature of
commitments should be commensurate with the scope and depth of the future relationship
and the economic connectedness of the Parties. These commitments should prevent
distortions of trade and unfair competitive advantages. To that end, the Parties should
uphold the common high standards applicable in the Union and the United Kingdom at the
end of the transition period in the areas of state aid, competition, social and employment
standards, environment, climate change, and relevant tax matters.

See page 17 of this link

Now, that BBC article says;

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Mr Johnson rejected the requirement for the UK to adopt Brussels-made rules "on competition policy, subsidies, social protection, the environment, or anything similar, any more than the EU should be obliged to accept UK rules".

Which is the real policy?

I guess we need to wait until the UK formally publishes its' position rather than hearing some gassing on a podium. The EU Commission have published their position for ratification here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...directives.pdf

Pierre

04-02-2020 12:27

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024214)

I find it very hard to believe you don’t understand exactly what pre-negotiation tough talk sounds like. You may have noticed the EU doing it as well.

and the EU now know that is highly unlikely Parliament can prevent anything so they have to take anyt

hing said seriously. Hilary Benn will not be able to table any legislation to block anything.

pip08456

04-02-2020 12:33

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024217)

The problems is, way back in October, Boris Johnson signed off on the Political Declaration which included this;

See page 17 of this link

Now, that BBC article says;

Which is the real policy?

I guess we need to wait until the UK formally publishes its' position rather than hearing some gassing on a podium. The EU Commission have published their position for ratification here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...directives.pdf

A political declaration does not dictate policy, it just states this is where we are and this is where we wish to get to.
One's wishes do not always come to fruition.

jonbxx

04-02-2020 15:46

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024222)

A political declaration does not dictate policy, it just states this is where we are and this is where we wish to get to.
One's wishes do not always come to fruition.

The political declaration does come under a policy paper section of the governments website - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...al-declaration

On the page is also this;

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The new Political Declaration sets out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom and reflects the Government’s ambition to conclude an ambitious, broad, deep and flexible partnership across trade and economic cooperation with the EU, with a free trade agreement with the EU at its core, alongside agreements on security and other areas of cooperation.

Hence my confusion...

I guess we need to wait for the formal policy to be published as I said before.

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