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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/u...ump-tower.html

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Trump’s Recall of Moscow Deal Matches Cohen’s, President’s Lawyers Say

The latest criminal charges against Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime fixer, for lying about a Moscow hotel deal raised questions of whether Mr. Cohen created new legal risks for Mr. Trump or his family members, possibly by contradicting what they told investigators about the same project.

The answer, at least according to the president’s lawyers and people close to his family, is no. Although Mr. Trump’s lawyers have long worried that the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, is trying to catch Mr. Trump in a lie, they said Mr. Cohen’s new account of the Trump Organization’s abortive hotel project in Moscow essentially matches what Mr. Trump himself stated in written answers delivered to prosecutors just nine days ago.

Mr. Cohen might have lied to the authorities about aspects of the deal, as the complaint charges, they said, but the president did not...

...According to the new documents released by the special counsel, Mr. Cohen lied when he told Congress last year that he had talked to Mr. Trump about the project only three times and that the proposal died in January 2016 — before the first primary in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. He also concealed his interactions with Russian officials and the fact that he asked Mr. Trump to travel to Russia to promote the deal because, he said, he wanted to support Mr. Trump’s “political messaging.”

Surely that means that Trump knew at the time Cohen lied to Congress, as the evidence Cohen gave at that time did not match what Trump knew had actually happened?

At the time Cohen gave evidence to Congress, he was still Trump’s personal lawyer.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35973008)

Lock him up.

With Hilary, and make it a pay-per-view cage fight!

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35973008)

Lock him up.

He has to have committed a crime first... :dunce:

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35972984)

Nothing that points to any collusion. Just charges based on people lying. It’s a big yawn.

Do you really think Mueller has revealed everything he has? None of us know what he has. He is likely charging people for smaller crimes in the hope that they'll talk about bigger ones. That's actually how they've brought down a lot of major criminals (get their associates to talk under oath). It may lead to Trump, it may not, but the fact they are finding so many people Trump has employed (whether directly or indirectly) in his personal staff or administration have commited chargable acts would suggest something is up.

Personally, I would argue that some of the references Trump made to charging Hillary would at least imply he is more involved in something dubious than he wants us to know, but my argument is based on what he said. We all know what he says isn't necessarily accurate.

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I think that DT is as guilty as hell. The ground is crumbling under him, and he knows it.

But it doesn't matter. As if he was given the boot - which it wouldn't matter - as he has all those millions behind him. It wouldn't bother him.

He got the plum job, that's all he is bothered about.

He has caused more friction in America, especially with all the females. Then any other President l know

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for a man 'not guilty' his tweets are getting more and more bizarre and desperate.

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Or could be someone rightfully arguing his case against the hoax investigation which is what it is - this thread closes this week btw.

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If only Trump could close down the investigation as easily...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973673)

If only Trump could close down the investigation as easily...

He can if he wanted to as he should it is a total hoax. Republican Senators won't put to a vote, to Protect the firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. I wonder why...... :rolleyes:

But please - Don't compare his issues with a topic of discussion on a forum that has been going on and on and is just a long running hate blog - Obama never had a long running thread despite all his mistakes and neither did George W Bush and he made plenty. Trump should not be getting one either.

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I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973698)

I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.

Oh when was Trump indicted or found guilty of any crime?

Stop being so bloody ridiculous Hugh. I must have missed the big news announcement of the above bombshell!!! :rolleyes:

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Regardless of the individual opinions of the merits of the investigation there is nevertheless an investigation into the campaign, and the wider election, of the President. That is a continuing and pretty big story.

We're also a few months away now from the 2020 Presidential Election stories getting really started. The first hustlings/debates for the Democratic nomination will likely start in the spring with the first candidates declaring in the new year.....

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973698)

And if you are going to be so bleeding petty - take a look at the following list of Federal Politicians (Democrats) under Obama Administration who were indicted!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...(D)_presidency)

2009–2017 (Barack Obama (D) presidency)
Executive branch
General David Petraeus (R)Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years' probation plus a fine of $100,000 for providing classified information to Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell. (2015)
Legislative branch
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)
Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7]
Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)
Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 in campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two-and-one-half years' imprisonment. (2013)
Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony. The House Ethics Committee ordered Richardson to pay a fine of $10,000. (2012)

By the way only one has been indicted so far under Trump - that's Flynn and even that is a dodgy looking indictment.