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Damien 17-10-2017 08:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump has said Obama and other Presidents didn't call the families of dead soldiers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-o...s-rose-garden/

It seems be untrue and quite a nasty little thing to say.

Mick 17-10-2017 11:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35920424)
Trump has said Obama and other Presidents didn't call the families of dead soldiers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-o...s-rose-garden/

It seems be untrue and quite a nasty little thing to say.
Do you really get the feeling 45, really doesn’t like 44 and vice versa?

Politics is nasty. He was challenged on the statement and somewhat backtracked. I read somewhere White House backed up Trumps remarks.

White House:

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"The president wasn't criticizing predecessors, but stating a fact. When American heroes make the ultimate sacrifice, Presidents pay their respects,"

"Sometimes they call, sometimes they send a letter, other times they have the opportunity to meet family members in person. This president, like his predecessors, has done each of these. Individuals claiming former Presidents, such as their bosses, called each family of the fallen, are mistaken."

Hugh 17-10-2017 11:35
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But he didn’t say "sometimes they call, sometimes they send a letter, other times they meet family members in person”, he said Obama and the other Presidents most of them didn’t make calls, which is completely different to sometimes they call...
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The traditional way, if you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls
Sarah Huckabee Sandees completely changed what he actually said.

1andrew1 17-10-2017 18:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35920446)
But he didn’t say "sometimes they call, sometimes they send a letter, other times they meet family members in person”, he said Obama and the other Presidents most of them didn’t make calls, which is completely different to sometimes they call...

Sarah Huckabee Sandees completely changed what he actually said.
Trump's rewriting of history does remind me of 1984. I'm not suggesting that other politicians haven't done anything similar but he's particularly regular and blatant.

Mr K 17-10-2017 22:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35920522)
Trump's rewriting of history does remind me of 1984. I'm not suggesting that other politicians haven't done anything similar but he's particularly regular and blatant.
He's so obsessed with Twitter, he talks like he's tweeting, trying to get one liners in about 'fake news' and Obama being the anti-christ. He forgets in press conferences that people can come back at him with irritating facts. He wants to hire his own reporters and media ( oh yeah, I forgot, Fox...)

1andrew1 17-10-2017 23:25
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35920603)
He's so obsessed with Twitter, he talks like he's tweeting, trying to get one liners in about 'fake news' and Obama being the anti-christ. He forgets in press conferences that people can come back at him with irritating facts. He wants to hire his own reporters and media ( oh yeah, I forgot, Fox...)
Like Putin, he favours a state-controlled media. Fortunately, life's not that simple in the free world.

Mick 18-10-2017 05:07
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35920608)
Like Putin, he favours a state-controlled media. Fortunately, life's not that simple in the free world.
No, he does what you do. Call out the networks with heavy bias. You’ve slated the BBC for having a Brexit bias, which is inaccurate, more like bias for Remain.

So this Russian collusion story.... seems there was collusion after all, back in 2009...

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The Obama administration potentially knew of corruption at a Russian nuclear supplier years before it agreed to sign over 20 per cent of US's uranium supply to the company, a new report has claimed.

The Hill claims federal agents found evidence of illegal payments made to an employee at a Russian nuclear company years before the Obama administration allowed the company to make a major business deal.

Employees at Tenex, a subsidiary of Rosatom – the regulatory body of the Russian nuclear complex – received bribes and kickbacks from American companies as early as 2009, according to the Hill. An undercover agent made secret recordings, collected financial records, and intercepted emails documenting the payments – the earliest of which was recorded in September 2009.
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The decision sparked controversy years later, following a 2015 bombshell report: The New York Times found Moscow had paid millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation at the same time the US was pondering the Rosatom deal. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State at the time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8005641.html

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35920446)
But he didn’t say "sometimes they call, sometimes they send a letter, other times they meet family members in person”, he said Obama and the other Presidents most of them didn’t make calls, which is completely different to sometimes they call...


Sarah Huckabee Sandees completely changed what he actually said.
Well looks like General Kelly is the one who told Trump, Obama did not call parents up. NBC are running with:

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JUST IN: President Obama did not call Gen. John Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, White House official tells NBC News.

Hugh 18-10-2017 12:12
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From the actual NBC News story.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...is-son-n811446
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A White House official told NBC News on Tuesday that Obama did not call Kelly after the death of his son. But a person familiar with the breakfast for Gold Star Families at the White House on May 30, 2011, told NBC News that Kelly and his wife attended the private event and were seated at first lady Michelle Obama’s table.

A former senior Obama administration official disputed Trump's initial claim on Monday that Obama didn't call Gold Star families, calling it "wrong."

"President Obama engaged families of the fallen and wounded warriors throughout his presidency through calls, letters, visits to Section 60 at Arlington, visits to Walter Reed, visits to Dover, and regular meetings with Gold Star Families at the White House and across the country," the ex-official told NBC.
But once again the White House is trying to change what Trump said, which was that Obama didn't call any of the families, not one specific family (General Kelly's) - and it was from an unnamed official - I thought Trump said that shouldn't happen or that information from unnamed sources couldn't be trusted;he tweeted
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"Whenever you see the words 'sources say' in the fake news media, and they don't mention names...." Trump tweeted. "it is very possible that those sources don't exist but are made up by fake news writers. #FakeNews is the enemy!"

Ignitionnet 18-10-2017 12:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35920613)
No, he does what you do. Call out the networks with heavy bias. You’ve slated the BBC for having a Brexit bias, which is inaccurate, more like bias for Remain.

So this Russian collusion story.... seems there was collusion after all, back in 2009...
I'm loving how, just as Trump et al do, the response to any criticism is to try and redirect it elsewhere. What Obama, Clinton, God or the Pope may have done is and remains irrelevant. No amount of pointing at 'Crooked Hillary' changes anything the Trump administration do.

Regarding the collusion Mueller's team are looking into the limits of Trump's pardoning powers. That's an interesting thing to do if there's nothing there.

As far as the BBC go in your opinion they have a bias in that direction, in some others its the other way around. If both sides of a debate think you're biased you're probably doing something right.

I don't appreciate the manner in which they let John Redwood spout utter nonsense unchallenged on such a regular basis, I'm sure you aren't happy with other things they do. This is good.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35920446)
Sarah Huckabee Sandees completely changed what he actually said.
It's always hilarious listening to that woman. She is an evangelical, conservative Christian, and happy to remind people of it, yet is also happy to break one of the 10 commandments on a near-daily basis.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00f0084add859

Ignitionnet 18-10-2017 14:49
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Yikes!

http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/trump-t...signed-up-for/

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President Trump told the widow of a Green Beret who died in Niger that the soldier “knew what he signed up for … but when it happens, it hurts anyway” during a phone call Tuesday.
I hope this is fake. If it isn't I'm thinking 45 should follow what he claimed was the example of 44, etc, by not calling people.

Mick 18-10-2017 17:24
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35920661)
No amount of pointing at 'Crooked Hillary' changes anything the Trump administration do.
I don't think bringing her up at any time, is at all irrelevant, she could have been President, let's face it, she ran on a half baked campaign of 'She wants to be the President because it's her turn. ' Wow, so awe-inspiring, not.

Given the link I posted to above, this Russian Uranium Scandal with links to the Clinton Foundation, is fresh news and since, especially she cannot stay irrelevant herself, promoting her book in the UK, of all places and going on about losing the election, she was meant to win and then going on about Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
Regarding the collusion Mueller's team are looking into the limits of Trump's pardoning powers. That's an interesting thing to do if there's nothing there.
Well over 12 months later and still nothing concrete, not that Mueller himself is legitimately qualified to investigate. Many times, it's been said, Mueller has breached the 'conflict of interest clause', being a good friend of James Comey for a start and then bringing in a grand jury, some of those said to be Obama/Hillary Clinton supporters and donors. Hardly seems fair and impartial does it ?

As for them looking in to the extent of the Pardoning power. There are those in congress who have tried and failed to scale back it's power. But as some may know. A President cannot be indicted while in office, they have to be impeached first, which takes a lot of time and effort. Said this before, the Constitution was not written to make it easy to remove a sitting President from office.

So while the argument is, President cannot pardon himself, if removed from office, he just gets his running mate to do it once he's sworn in to office, like Nixon's running mate did for him upon Nixon's resignation. But let's not forget he has to have committed a crime first or abused his Presidential powers.

Lots of Republicans in the Rust Belt, had to put up with Obama for 8 years, unless Mueller has something solid on Trump and something spectacular happens for the Democrats, in the upcoming mid terms, Donald will be with us until 2021, or 2025 if he is voted in for another term.

Damien 18-10-2017 18:09
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Trump and his allies would attempt discredit whoever the special counsel was. I haven’t seen much independent concern over him, he was appointed by Trump’s own attorney general, and he seems to have the backing of big the Republicans and Democrats. There is no use Trump and co getting upset. There isn’t even that much leaking from the Muller camp.

Damien 18-10-2017 22:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35920686)
Yikes!

http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/trump-t...signed-up-for/



I hope this is fake. If it isn't I'm thinking 45 should follow what he claimed was the example of 44, etc, by not calling people.
http://time.com/4987242/donald-trump...soldier-widow/

The AP said they've found families who've not received either a letter or phone call from Trump.

Maggy 19-10-2017 08:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
So what did Obama do that was soooooo bad?

Damien 19-10-2017 08:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I don't know actually. It started years ago when Trump started going after the birth certificate stuff, I'm not actually sure if anything provoked that from Trump or it was PR stunt that's gone way too far.


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