Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

Considering the regulations say that there's no limit to the amount of times someone can leave their home to exercise.

Prime example, Government says one thing actual legislation says something else. Police don't know which way to go, and err on the more draconian side of things

the latest CoP guidance just muddies the water further.

nomadking

17-04-2020 18:21

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36031925)

So you're saying that we couldn't have learnt from what happened in China/Hong Kong where the virus first started to spread rapidly?

It's either ignorance, or incompetence. take your pick.

The government could and should have done more. Especially since UK hospitals were briefed on the situation in January

Were France, Italy, Spain, US states prepared? As an independent report from last year stated, the UK was the 2nd most prepared for a Pandemic.

mrmistoffelees

17-04-2020 18:29

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031932)

Were France, Italy, Spain, US states prepared? As an independent report from last year stated, the UK was the 2nd most prepared for a Pandemic.

We are two/three weeks behind Italy, France etc. there was still time then to step up a gear. However, that would have been short sighted.

We shouldn't have been looking at them, we should have been looking at China, As I said UK hospitals were briefed on the end of January on the probable spread and transmission rates.

The UK government on the advice of the CMO etc have

Stopped contact tracing
Waited to long to impose lockdown
Not tested arrivals into the country
Not forced arrivals into the country to self isolate for fourteen days.
Failed to provide sufficient or of adequate quality PPE to secondary care & care homes
Failed to increase testing to a suitable quantity

They have built the Nightinggales, but that's about the only thing they have got right.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031932)

Were France, Italy, Spain, US states prepared? As an independent report from last year stated, the UK was the 2nd most prepared for a Pandemic.

A quick swizz and i cant find that report, could you oblige ?

I did find this however.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ly-implemented

Paul	17-04-2020 18:29

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36031925)

It's either ignorance, or incompetence. take your pick.

The government could and should have done more.

Yes, of course, the whole world is ignorance & incompetent. :rolleyes:

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The government could and should have done more ...

Ah there we go, I knew it wouldnt be long. :erm:
The favourite phrase of those who just want to attack whoever is in power.

I'm sure you would have done a much better job if you were in charge. :sleep:

Mr K	17-04-2020 18:30

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y_to_clipboard

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NHS bosses have asked doctors and nurses to work without full-length gowns when treating Covid-19 patients, as hospitals across England are set to run out of supplies within hours, the Guardian has learned.

The guidance is a reversal of Public Health England (PHE) guidelines stipulating that full-length waterproof surgical gowns, designed to stop coronavirus droplets getting into someone’s mouth or nose, should be worn for all high-risk hospital procedures.

In a significant U-turn, PHE has advised frontline staff to wear a flimsy plastic apron when gowns have run out, in a move that doctors and nurses fear may lead to more of them contracting the virus and ultimately put lives at risk.

Unbelievable, let's hope Drs and Nurses don't walk away. At the moment we're asking them to put themselves, their families and other patients at risk. There is such a thing as duty of care for any employer, the Govt are failing on this for NHS staff.

mrmistoffelees

17-04-2020 18:38

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36031935)

Yes, of course, the whole world is ignorance & incompetent. :rolleyes:

Ah there we go, I knew it wouldnt be long. :erm:
The favourite phrase of those who just want to attack whoever is in power.

I'm sure you would have done a much better job if you were in charge. :sleep:

I was in Hong Kong airport in January after being away on business. i SAW with my own eyes what the authorities were doing to try and stem the cases. I also had colleagues who were in bejing at the time who saw even closer what was happening. People getting temperatures checked, turned away from flights etc.

If you're telling me that governments we're not aware of what was going on in China then that should make you more concerned. Or, is it more likely that governments decided to treat it like SARS-1/MERS and thought it would never reach here.

I'm not just slating the UK government, every government in Europe and the rest of the western world should be deeply concerned by the way they've handled this. (possible exception for Germany)

Surely the whole point of debate such as this is to put forward how we would deal with a situation if we were the ones in charge?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36031936)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y_to_clipboard

Unbelievable, let's hope Drs and Nurses don't walk away. At the moment we're asking them to put themselves, their families and other patients at risk. There is such a thing as duty of care for any employer, the Govt are failing on this for NHS staff.

Nope, it's absolutely not the governments fault... they couldn't have possibly prepared for this.....

BenMcr

17-04-2020 18:39

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031932)

Were France, Italy, Spain, US states prepared? As an independent report from last year stated, the UK was the 2nd most prepared for a Pandemic.

The US were until the current administration dismantled or ignored it.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/2950848001/

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In 2005, President George W. Bush announced the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza, and the following year, his administration rolled out an implementation plan. The plan has been updated as recently as 2017 and provides a blueprint for the administration to act during the current outbreak.

Julian

17-04-2020 19:15

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36031936)

That article says NHS bosses have made that decision not the government.

The NHS have taken all the PPE from the nationwide supply chain leaving others with none.

Our supplies have been seized at source including impounding containers on the dockside.

The ability of the NHS to mismanage the supply is breathtaking.

You'd have thought all those managers could be better organised.

pip08456

17-04-2020 19:16

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36031933)

A quick swizz and i cant find that report, could you oblige ?

I did find this however.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ly-implemented

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...ess-pandemics/

Full GHS report heree.

https://www.ghsindex.org/

denphone

17-04-2020 19:24

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36031947)

The NHS bosses and the government both have some explaining to do as the UK missed three chances to join a EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE which included gowns.

nomadking

17-04-2020 19:36

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36031930)

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13. Can I go to the park?

You can still go to the park for outdoor exercise once a day but only alone or with members of your household, not in groups.
Communal places within parks such as sports courts, playgrounds and outdoor gyms have been closed to protect everyone’s health.
We ask that households use parks responsibly and keep 2 metres apart from others at all times.
Unless you are with members of your household, gatherings of more than two people in parks and other public spaces have been banned. The police have the powers to disperse gatherings and issue fines if necessary.

spiderplant

17-04-2020 19:54

Re: Coronavirus

In Wales, you may only go out for exercise once a day. Elsewhere there is no limit as long as your exercise is "reasonable".

Isn't devolution great?

Mr K	17-04-2020 20:13

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36031947)

Sorry, but attempts to blame the NHS for the Govt underfunding, and lack of preparation over the the last 10 years doesn't wash. The pandemic was coming and predicted. Try again.

Julian

17-04-2020 20:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36031955)

Sorry, but attempts to blame the NHS for the Govt underfunding, and lack of preparation over the the last 10 years doesn't wash. The pandemic was coming and predicted. Try again.

Try again? Are you 6 years old? :rolleyes:

If you had any clue as to what is going on you might be in a position to comment.

Your anti-government stance is as tiresome as it is predictable.

I have had care homes on the phone today in tears pleading for supplies which we cannot fulfill due to the NHS stealing all the supplies.

The NHS have somehow managed to lose/waste PPE.

Hugh	17-04-2020 20:33

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36031956)

Seriously?

You don't think the normal day to day usage, plus nearly 20,000 COVID-19 patients may be upping the burn rate a bit?

Trying to blame nurses and doctors seems a bit off.

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