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And the reason for that being the case NOW, is that in the recent past it was TOO easy. They had to make the rules tougher because of the crash.

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The problem is that people on zero-hour contracts, and/or on minimum wage, or just left university with a useless degree, expect and have been led to believe is their "god-given" right, to be able to buy a huge house to sell on for an easy profit.

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So household budgets being drained by private sector companies has no effect on the economy? That's a startling claim, even by your standards

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Rubbish!

I know a reasonable number of people aged between 20 and 335, and I don’t know one who thinks that way.

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I think someones exagerating here.

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Indeed. Most would just like a home of their own rather than paying unscrupulous landlords.

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The Government couldn't originally include pensioners when introducing the Bedroom Tax as they had promised not to cut their benefits in their manifesto.

They did put forward proposals to include pensioners whose tenancy started after April 2016, but such was the outcry that they had to backtrack.

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No shortage of them appearing on TV programmes. What else do you think the sub-prime mortgages were and are?
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Outlining housing and planning bills, he said: "Putting affordable housing within the reach not just of the few but the many is vital both to meeting individual aspirations and a better future for our country."

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And generally with renting a place now comes high rents which themselves can take a considerable chunk of ones monthly salary.

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Ah but it means the rich get richer and can buy more houses to rent out, whilst the poor get poorer with less chance than ever of buying. All part of the Tory masterplan.

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As it stands it not just those on average salaries who can't get on the housing ladder as even many who are on a pretty good salary cannot even get on the housing ladder.

What we need is a housing system which is fair, provides homes for everyone, and is sustainable in the long term.

This requires sensible debate among all interested parties and appropriate planning for the future.

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The idea that there's a load of younger people out there "trying to make a quick profit" from property is quite ridiculous really. For a start, even if property prices soar, where will they live when they sell up?

It would be a rather shrewd and patient investor who waits all that time to sell just before the bubble bursts, rent for a few months, and buy at lower prices.

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In my humble opinion, the provision of Housing, Education, Medical, Police, Fire, Prisons etc etc should be built at a rate that reflects the ever growing population (whether by birthrate or immigration).

The alternative is to ensure population growth doesn't impact on what we already have, and can improve upon and sustain.

Anything else is a failure and will lead to . . oh hello, we're here already :rolleyes:

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I think it's a fallacy that most people under 35 think the world owes them a cheap home. I think they are very aware that will not happen. There *are* people that think they are owed everything, but I think they come in all ages, and come from all social backgrounds.

I think the problem here is still the property boom. I know a lot of millennials resent the way things have happened, and I can understand why. After all, to those born after the 1970s, it seems like baby boomers had a good chance of getting a relatively well-paid job, and property was relatively cheaply available, while those under 30 today are having to deal with a dwindling supply of jobs, zero hour contracts, wages that are (in a lot of cases) rising lower than inflation, and property prices that started high and were, until recently, increasing at a rate much higher than inflation.

That said, millennials are not entirely blame-free. I've met English people who moan they don't have a job, blaming the foreigners, but in reality, they aren't willing to work, preferring to get whatever they can from benefits (and, in some cases, less legal means). I've had periods where I've had no job, but I've gone for every job I could, even unskilled manual labour, just to work.

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Working til 75. If we are honest about the situation those born in the 1960s sold all the major state assets, built up structural debts and deficits and enjoyed the benefits placing the burden on those born after 1980.

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That's the other complaint I think the millenials are justified in. The very same people who had access to relatively well paid jobs, relatively cheap housing are not only the ones telling them off for being lazy and entitled, but in some cases they are also the people who (because they manage large companies who have replaced UK employee with cheaper, outsourced employees or technology) have removed their chances of employment.