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I wish I lived in such a world where it was not remotely true. Sadly it's spot on.
https://inews.co.uk/news/boris-johns...lained-1570984
https://www.indy100.com/politics/bor...-pm-broken-law

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He paid a fixed penalty notice for breaking his own law. The first UK PM to have broken the law. You don't pay an FPN if you're in the clear!

The Sue Gray Report can't be far off publication, either. ;)

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It won’t nail him, don’t get your hopes up.

Sorry to burst your bubble but technically, paying a FPN, puts you in the clear, I’ve said before, paying one removes the criminal liability laid against you. Once paid, there’s no criminal record.

And as I said earlier today, let’s get some perspective. He’s not been charged being a bloody axe murderer, the way some of you carry on in this thread. :rolleyes:

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Yup, it's less likely that he will end up having to resign. A shame for the country and the Conservative Party if he doesn't.

I've not said anywhere that Johnson has a criminal record, though.

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I don't know about that. Some say Tony Blair took us into an illegal war with Iraq. If true, that is far more serious.

It all depends on how you judge these things, but you are being very selective in your judgements, aren't you?

As for paying the fine, you know as well as I do that he did so to make this go away. Had he not paid the fine, this would have just dragged on even longer.

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Boris has taken us out of the EU, as the electorate wanted, he dealt with Covid and was the only leader to see straight away the futility of lockdowns and the solution was a vaccine, (which he ensured would be available in record time), he's getting us through this economic crisis without plunging the country into unnecessary catastrophic debt, he's got his sights on ensuring that the levelling up programme at last embraces those forgotten red wall areas that Labour has taken for granted for so long.... Why would you say that?

Oh, sorry, I forgot, you support the other side and see Boris as a major electoral threat that you can only counter by besmirching his character.

Silly me.

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Yes I doubt it’s the first time. We probably just don’t know who has broken the law because of Parliament privileges

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I bet he's the only one to be fined for being in the same room as a cake in a Tupperware box.

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First of all, I would like to start on a positive note and begin by agreeing with you; well, at least the bits in bold at the beginning an end of your post! :D

It's the stuff in the middle that I have an issue with. ;)

Firstly, I'm not making any judgments, I've linked to two separate sources that state that Johnson is the first sitting PM to have broken the law. There are many more media sources stating this as well. (And despite their history, both sources have different owners.)

Secondly, it really doesn't matter how much you admire Johnson and believe he can do no wrong - the electorate thinks differently. That's partly why Conservative supporters like Seph want him to step down as they can see a Pickfords van outside No. 10 in 2025 if he remains in power.

However, a lot of your statements listing Johnson's successes are clearly pipe dreams. For example, national debt interest payments are at a record £70bn. The Northern Ireland Assembly is not functioning due to the cack-handed Brexit deal Johnson signed. And the red wall seats are worse off since Johnson became PM.

I don't have loyalty to any political party and have voted for them all.

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That well known legal barometer of supposition.

On a separate note Dominic Raab playing a strong game here in the bid to succeed the hapless Boris.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ed-covid-rules

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He needs the boot. The government currently have the power of laughing in the publics faces. It is time to regain control and get these jokers out.

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Sue Gray Report looking like next week and may name law-breakers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61520212

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He ate cake for his birthday. Big deal.

He’s not the one who’s laughing. Dominic Cummings is. And he laughs even louder when he sees people falling for his mischief-making.

My advice - when the Sue Gray report is published, possibly next week, take a good look at exactly what happened. What did Boris actually do himself that apparently broke the rules?

Then stand back and reconsider.

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I’ll just comment on this as to comment on the first part of your post will just send this argument into another circle.

Of course national debt has increased to £70bn. What did you expect with all the help he and the Chancellor gave to people to help them to avoid the worst economic impacts of the lockdowns and other emergency measures introduced? That doesn’t mean we have to keep over-spending forever more. There has to be a limit, unless of course you’re a Leftie.

As for the NI Assembly, you know as well as I do, because we’ve already had this debate, that it is the EU’s bureaucratic way of interpreting the Protocol that makes it unworkable.

The red wall population, like the rest of the Uk, are worse off mainly because of Russia’s war with Ukraine.

When people stand back at the next election, and look at how Boris has navigated through all of this, I don’t think they will be voting with cake in mind, but for you, this is an obsession.

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The only person more spineless than Johnson is OB in this thread.

Compare and contrast with Seph who at least wants a Conservative leader worthy of looking up to. A liar. Completely untrustworthy. Unworthy of the office of which he holds forever diminishing the UK sphere of influence and credibility.

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To… have a plan?

Your continual portrayal of Government as a completely passive actor unable to intervene. The unfortunate victim of circumstances upon which it has no control is simply laughable.

The portrayal of spending as a “leftie” principle is as obnoxious as it is ludicrous. It’s been proven time and again you can’t save your way out of a recession and - as living standards are falling at the highest rate for 40 years - we have a Government devoid of leadership, devoid of authority and completely devoid of ideas.

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:D:D:D

Nothing to do with a decade of failed macroeconomic policy or Brexit, of course.

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I don’t call standing up against all the sanctimonious rubbish that people are spouting on about on this forum as ‘spineless’. It takes some courage to stand up to bullying behaviour such as is frequently demonstrated here.

I respect Seph’s opinion - he’s not a fan of Boris either - but I profoundly disagree with people who are deliberately hyping this up out of all proportion just because they see Boris as a threat to their left wing ‘sensitivities’ (or should I say to Labour’s chances of winning the next election).

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It’s to do with the 2010 recession sparked by Labour’s failure to bolster the economy during the good times and the austerity that necessarily followed, Covid and the Ukraine war.

Without those last two events, the benefits of Boris’s manifesto promises would be starting to be clear by now.

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You are so hilarious, jfman! You really ought to be on the stage.

However, I must ask you…what exactly is Starmer’s plan?

I know - he’ll have a ponder with his mates over a beer after work in the hope that someone can come up with something to replace hindsight.

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So it’s the Labour Government’s fault for the global financial crisis of 2008 but this Government are a victim of circumstance at every turn.

Utterly utterly laughable, OB. So ridiculous it’d be impossible to parody.

The fact the UK Labour Party are marketing themselves as slightly less shit than the Tories is irrelevant to the fact Johnson is leading the party and the country in a car crash manner.