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mrmistoffelees 21-03-2019 08:29
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35987905)
This is nor Brexit, it's the Withdrawal Agreement now. Leavers should save their energy for the trade agreement not the warm up gig
This is a part of Brexit, i think you're splitting hairs here.

People wanting to remain will do what they can within the legal limits* at every point in the process.

*Obviously there may be one or two idiots, the above is not attempting to paint all remainers as angels

Damien 21-03-2019 08:30
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35987902)
And there is going to be a completely pointless, Million march Sat in the London bubble yet agai, yawn, to oppose Brexit. When will people learn, marches don’t work. NHS, Miners strike, Iraq war, they don’t work?!?!?!
They don't work.

I do think they allow people to vent their frustration though. The Iraq War one is an example because 15 years on people still remember that march. It won't change the result next week but they'll hope it's big enough for it to be remembered and noted when people look back on this time.

Mick 21-03-2019 08:30
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35987903)
Over 1/2 a million now ..
Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:

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”Footstamping from Remainers til the bitter end. Another pointless petition that prolongs their anguish. It’s been like a three-year toddler tantrum. Difference is, my toddlers are bored of Brexit.”

denphone 21-03-2019 08:36
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35987907)
They don't work.

I do think they allow people to vent their frustration though. The Iraq War one is an example because 15 years on people still remember that march. It won't change the result next week but they'll hope it's big enough for it to be remembered and noted when people look back on this time.
Whether one agrees with them or not they are entitled to march as this is a free country at the end of the day..

1andrew1 21-03-2019 08:51
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35987908)
Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:
That kind of inflammatory language from the Twitter poster is not conducive to constructive debate.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35987907)
They don't work.
Depends what their objectives are. In the case of the Iraq War, it was successful in showing to the rest of the World that a lot of the country did not support the Government's position.
In the case of the People's Vote, it will act as reminder to the Government that there's more out there to placate than just the ERG and DUP. And if they're well organized and strong on PR then even more so.

Mick 21-03-2019 08:53
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35987910)
Whether one agrees with them or not they are entitled to march as this is a free country at the end of the day..
Never said they were not entitled, it’s just a pointless foot stamping process, last chance saloon for Remainers to get their voices heard and I don’t doubt it will probably be over a million, it’s just not a way we measure true democracy, that is done at the ballot box.

Anyway, in just 8 days... we are either going to accept May’s deal and leave EU after short extension...(very unlikely) or...

...Reject May’s deal and leave EU on 29th, no deal. (Highly likely)

1andrew1 21-03-2019 08:58
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35987906)
This is a part of Brexit, i think you're splitting hairs here.

People wanting to remain will do what they can within the legal limits* at every point in the process.

*Obviously there may be one or two idiots, the above is not attempting to paint all remainers as angels
The argument for Brexit has been won and the Withdrawal Agreement reflects this. The argument for the form of Brexit has not. That's why the ERG and DUP need to support this agreement and then make their case during trade negotiations. If they supported it, most Tory MPs would too. They are the log jam through an obsession with s clean Brexit, not Remainers.

Damien 21-03-2019 09:04
Re: Brexit (New).
 
I think the People's Vote campaign should pivot into what comes next instead. There is still the withdrawal agreement and the transition period that comes with it to influence, we leave the EU but then comes the battle to decide what the future relationship with the EU will actually be. Obviously they'll have to change the name....

papa smurf 21-03-2019 09:08
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35987908)
Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:
These remainers do like a good day out waving bits of cardboard around.

mrmistoffelees 21-03-2019 09:11
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35987917)
These remainers do like a good day out waving bits of cardboard around.
A touch antagonistic i think.

Must be the lack of pies in the diet you're not normally like this ;)

papa smurf 21-03-2019 09:18
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35987918)
A touch antagonistic i think.

Must be the lack of pies in the diet you're not normally like this ;)
Lost 1 stone in two weeks;)

I think i was just as acerbic about the last cardboard waving day ;)

nomadking 21-03-2019 09:35
Re: Brexit (New).
 
I keep wondering why the EU insists on a NI backstop, when the reverse situation will exist even with the Withdrawal Agreement. EG Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU, once we leave the EU, we are no longer in a customs union with Turkey. We have to apply tariffs to Turkish goods. How do we do that?

EU-Turkey Customs Union
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Both Turkey and the UK will lose duty-free access to each other’s markets post-Brexit since the UK will no longer be part of the EU-Turkey BPTF, unless and until the UK negotiates such access (with the EU or through a separate arrangement with Turkey).
And of course under the Withdrawal Agreement we can't come to an agreement with Turkey or anybody else until the EU gives us permission.

heero_yuy 21-03-2019 10:44
Re: Brexit (New).
 
I don't think Turkish trade is something to get all fretful over:

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Quote from the FT:


While trade is growing, Turkey is not currently a large market for the UK, accounting for about 1 per cent of UK’s goods and services exports and for a marginally higher proportion of its imports.

mrmistoffelees 21-03-2019 10:50
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Unfortunately, i don't think it will change anything but

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

being signed by 40,000 people an hour is some going and it crashed the site too :D

Mick 21-03-2019 11:24
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35987933)
Unfortunately, i don't think it will change anything but

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

being signed by 40,000 people an hour is some going and it crashed the site too :D
Interestingly, I’ve just seen claims other Countries are able to sign that petition, thought this wasn’t possible.

The map of counties that have signed looks very odd.

I sense foul play with it, if all you need is a UK address and an email address to verify.


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