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Well, I don't have the full details yet, do you? As long as we are out of the EU, the single market and the customs union, I am very likely to be happy with this White Paper.

An amicable deal with the EU is preferable, but in the absence of that, we should be prepared to walk away.

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It's in the EU's court now, so we shall see.

I think what we don't want is you guys trying to undermine the UK's position on this. So a bit of quiet on this would be good.

Fat chance. :grind:

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Has your tummy been tickled yet, Andrew?

I'm sorry, but do you really think life is all about rolling over and accepting what's coming to you?

Can I just remind you that the electorate voted to exit the EU? You have done your best to undermine what the majority want by posting every negative story you can muster. In the end, Theresa May will prove you to be wrong. She is more of a 'man' than so many of her wimpy detractors.

Prepare for the final assault. Not long now! :cleader:

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I'm not sure that I understand your language, Mr K. Are you speaking European? I guess you must be. :D

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No one is trying to undermine anything as HMG warring cabinet factions have done a pretty good job of that..

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Not that l agree with some of Andrew's posts but you have heard of one being able to voice ones opinion in this democracy of ours OB unless you want a authoritarian government.

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Hopefully the EU will reject this shabby compromise nonsense and then there'll be no time left for yet another capitulation to the remainers and we ACTUALLY leave on WTO rules.

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Thanks for your reply. I think there's two things to analyse:
1) Effectiveness of Theresa May on Friday
2) The White Paper

1) I would praise her for stepping up and showing some leadership skills. I think you can do this without endorsing the White Paper.
2) Not as bad for the country's economy as I feared but we will be an effective rule-taker so less democratic than either being in or 100% out of the EU.

I'm not sure people debating on an internet forum will impact future negotiations, Old Boy.

You seem not to have had a chance to digest that article, Old Boy. Let me explain.

I think that if the Cabinet Brexiters had come up with a firm, worked through proposal and got countries like Australia, India and the US on board for an alternative trade deal then they would have had an alternative solution which the Cabinet Remainers would have found harder to repudiate.

Instead, she was faced with the realistic prospect of large chunks of industry leaving the country and so there was no option of a clean Brexit.

Clever populist slogans may get you into power but once you're in power, you need to deliver. Brexiters delivered less than Northern Rail and Thameslink put together, and were the architects of their own downfall. This is how I see history will write up Brexit.

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It looks like we'll be in some form of hybrid customs union.

You understand the EU isn't likely be using our posts on here as a barometer for UK public opinion right?

Certainly. Especially more so than the Brexiters in the cabinet, which is even more impressive when you consider for their bluster they've been lacking in any ideas for the situation they campaigned for. I this holds she'll have done well. I mean that.

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The EU/UK understands this is the starting position and I think the Government suspects this will be knocked back at first.

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Looks like the broad terms of a deal with the EU has already been done quietely behind the scenes. Hence May visiting Merkel this week.

So, we'll be in the EU in all but name, but with no say or voting rights on anything. Not great, but better than the nightmare scenario. Hope Farage/Boris etc. are pround of what they have acheived (looks like Boris prefers his ministerial car to principals, of which he has none - he went awol during the Heathrow vote aswell... :D)

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Spot on. The Brexiters snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by not coming up with anything to replace a super-close relationship with the EU. They only had one job to do and two years in which to do it! :dunce:

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Exactly. David Davis has spent just four hours this year negotiating with Michael Barnier. Now that we've got a proposal, we've actually got something we can discuss with them.

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Looks like the men have been blustering and comparing sizes of their trade deals with Narnia and Atlantis whilst the two women have got on and sorted it out over a couple of glasses of Prosecco. :D

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Exactly!;)

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What do you think of what you've read so far on Friday's White Paper, Mick?

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I'll bet our cabinet dip in and out occasionally to get a few ideas :D

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You can leave me out of it as one does not have the nous and intellect like others on here..:D

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Whilst I am not Mick, the important thing for me is separation from the ECJ and the sovereignty of our Parliament. Along with that come the trade deals we might make with other countries or trading groups.

I can give way on technical matters regarding EU trade such as alignment of standards thus having to take account of the ECJ or ignore rulings on our alignment and thus on trade at our peril.

Quite how the Irish border question will pan out is beyond my prediction.

One senses that May cleared this with Merkel and thus the Brussels turds will get new instructions - as in not quite there but shows promise.

OB might well have been right (as we in Wokingham can often be).

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I reserve my judgement for now.

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I'm sure TM will be mightily releived about that Mick ! :)