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And what were the Remain camp lies ?

Of course people knew what leave meant. I did and expect the result to be enacted because that is what democracy decided.

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As usual, one sided rubbish.

I see you are incapable of offering an opinion on the Remain camp lies. It's typical Groundhog Day hypocrisy from Mr K. :rolleyes:

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Well we all know you are omniscient but the vast majority of those voting had no idea what was really at issue and they still don't.

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Derek Cummings credited the £350m pw claim as winning the referendum. He headed up Vote Leave.

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No it is not false. That figure varies and it is a gross figure. Forget about net figure, in 2022/23, we would be sending around 376M a week, gross contribution. This is what MPs (No not Just Boris) say is the gross figure, key word is "gross".

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Well nothing, what about the Remain lies issue, which you have conveniently decided not to give an opinion on ? :rolleyes:

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We are in 2017 and discussing Boris's Telegraph 2017 article. Why on earth do we need to re-hash 2016; we've done it to death and I'm sure Mr K's responses to these points are there after a bit of searching.

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There is no way he would possibly know. It would be impossible to know what swayed people to vote the way they did, there was such an influential and aggressive campaign tactics partaken by BOTH sides.

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Nearly 50% of the public believed that "claim"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7085016.html

I'd say he'd probably right, pretty crass admission to, basically saying they hoodwinked the vote

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Take it up with the head of the UK's Statistics Authority Mick, he thinks it's 'a clear misuse of statistics', strong words for a civil servant. He seems to know a thing or two about numbers where as Boris has a second class degree in ancient literature and classical philosophy - useful that....

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Let's start on a positive note - I agree on the bit in bold!
I'm discussing 2017 not 2016 and I've responded previously to all these points last year. You will find that I am keener on impartial fact-checking sources and less so opinion pieces in the billionaire-owned Brexit press. Damien does a great job on evaluating sources and we can all learn from him.
It was a positive thing for democracy in this country that Sir David Norgrove, the Statistics Regulator, corrected the claims that Boris made this year and a pity Boris still hasn't learnt from 2016.
However, when a pro-Brexit source was turfed up to discredit Norgrove, I only felt it fair to state what the independent fact-checking source said. Not The Guardian or The Mirror but an independent fact-checking site. I feel that's a constructive thing to do but obviously some people don't.

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Oh now you throw in the "Done to death" issue, when it suits I suppose. :rolleyes:

And as for your last point regarding your buddy, Mr K, he regurgitates the same negative rhetorics daily, I certainly have no desire or inclination to search such posts, ever.

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And how many "Remain" votes were hoodwinked by Remain camp lies and deceit?

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I kind of prefer his honesty in this respect over Boris's approach. Then again, he's not seeking re-election whilst Boris probably will be and may even run for PM.

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Not really, it's constructive debate ie focusing on the issue in hand and trying to analyse both sides rather than revisiting some general argument about Remain v Leave from 18 months ago!

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In a face-to-face discussion, if someone raised this amount of evidence then the person arguing against it would concede that they are wrong and we'd shake hands, be friends and prepare our ground better for the next discussion.
I really find it a bit awkward that this doesn't seem to happen on online forums

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I would prefer your honesty, as I would do from other Remainers, yours and their views on the Remain camp lies.

I've brought this issue up several times now and conveniently, none of you have offered an opinion on them. Why is that ?

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Quite, it'a absolutely laughable that anyone could try to claim that the combined might of the PM, Chancellor and most of the cabinet, plus huge swathes of the media including the BBC and their project fear had no undue influence on how people voted. How many people were scared off voting to get out because they believed the nonsense about emergency budgets, imminent tax rises, blah blah blah. To compare all of that to a statement on the side of a campaign bus just goes to show the paucity of their argument and the depths of credibility they'll plumb in order to get what they want. Pathetic garbage. I'd have more respect if they were just honest and admitted they'd do anything to change the outcome.

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Well which lies in particular?

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We know why it is. Because their whole argument about the what the money saved would be spent on is based on a falsehood. If they admit that they have nothing.