Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Sssh lets not facts get in the way of the arguement ;)

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Has anyone mentioned the huge problems the Italians are facing at the moment?

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Well there must be a benefit of some kind in coming here or else why bother with all the hassle and just remain in France or wherever.

As a mere UK citizen with a family line officially traced back over 900 years in this country, I wouldn't mind having the right to be housed.

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

900 years? You sound suspiciously like a Norman settler to me. Get back where you came from, you flaming immigrant. :p:

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

The problem is as much one of expectation (possible false or naïve) and experience. Having come so far these people are not going to want to accept that actually things here aren't as good as they think. Having said that the Beeb was interviewing migrants in Calais today and one of them said that he wanted to come here because he knew he'd be given housing like his friends had. I can fully understand why they'd choose to believe the best because accepting the worst would leave them in a very bad place, with no hope of the life they'd decided to pursue.

Has anyone mentioned the problems the Italians are having? Yes several times, including the very first post in this thread. The Greeks and the Hungarians too. The fact that they're having worse problems is all the more reason for us to act, I'd have thought or will some people only feel better when the numbers arriving here in lorries and boats equal those elsewhere?

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

OK, an open question, how do 'we' act?

What is it exactly that people want to be done?

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Apparently a combination of Norman and Danish.

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Kick them right out, no appeals required. That includes those already here. Or at least lock them up(not in a holiday camp) as they are ILLEGAL. The ECHR and therefore the HRA don't impose a right to a fair hearing in deportation or extradition cases.

Eventually the message will get back to others and maybe they won't bother trying.

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And those that are fleeing places such as Libya, Syria or other places with terrible human rights abuses we just boot them out, yes?

Lest we forget of course the cards we played in places such as Libya and Syria that led people to leave in the first place

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

We have to help genuine refugees as best we can and at the source of the problem as much as possible but we also have to accept that we can't save the all the world's needy and vulnerable. Neither can we carry on allowing hundreds of thousands of economic migrants to simply choose to come to the EU for a better life no matter how sorry we may feel for them.

More could and should be done to deal with the traffickers who're making vast sums exploiting these people and think nothing of sending them to their deaths once they've been paid. No doubt they paint a rather different picture of their intentions before they get the money and things go down hill rapidly thereafter.

I don't envy the authorities dealing with this problem - it's massive and the traffickers can often react to opportunities far quicker than they can. We're never going to be able to stop the flow entirely but we do need to adopt new measures which will both dissuade economic migrants and ensure they can be and are removed so that the message slowly gets out that there is no easy life to be had and we will not be 'blackmailed' or 'coerced' into admitting people just because they want to come here. That may well require changes in international law and to human rights legislation.

Like it or not, the Australians have to a large extent solved what was a growing problem there by being tough on migrants whether economic or refugees. That is sad, especially for the genuine refugees, but who can really say that they should just allow themselves to become the destination of choice for the region's countless millions of needy and desperate people?

Whatever people think we should do one thing is undeniable, we can't help everyone who needs it or would like a better life. Rather like a life boat saving people at sea, the only question is at what point are we forced to say no more... :shrug:

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

If a person enters the UK illegally then hands himself or herself in and claims asylum, will he or she then get benefits during the long investigation process in to there claim and if they do then get benifits what do they get ????

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It's all here including those who've been refused asylum:

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

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You can't easily kick them out as they often have no papers so where do you move them do? Just pick a random country? Because that country wouldn't be too happy for you to be doing that.

Even if we secure Calais they'll move to just outside Calais and try to get on board earlier. The French can't lock down every piece of open land.

As Osem said we should target the traffickers. However the long-term answer is for the UK and others to work towards making the countries they're fleeing less horrid to live in.

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If that is correct thats more than they would ever get where they have come from i would expect. No wonder they want to get into the free bank of UK

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I admit I am surprised at that.

MMMmmm.

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It would be a complete nightmare but maybe EVERY vehical should be searched on entry to a secure area of the port before the vehical boards the boat to the free bank of uk.

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So basically it's not much different to what a UK born person would get then?

somewhere to live. money. Dr. NHS.

Luxury to them.

You forgot the car.