Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Ok if you don't want to answer then fair enough.

I don't understand what you're saying. How does Chris T putting the Bible in his own words not mean it's his opinion but that he's 'putting the sweets on the lowest shelf'?

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What you mean is you didn't get the answer you wanted. I gave you my answer.

Instead of simply quoting scripture word-for-word, Chris seems to have put the same message in his own words to make it a little easier to understand.

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The question was:

'Surely you utterly condemn this bishop's assertion that pro-gay laws have caused God to invoke his wrath though?'

Your answer was:

As I said to Chris T earlier, please have the courage of your convictions - if you think gay sex is wrong then just say so.


So it's no longer 'clearly stated in the Bible'?

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You're not making much of an effort to hide the fact your question is loaded. Originally it was....

You said nothing about gay sex. It quite clearly states 'pro-gay laws' which is quite different.

No it still is however some people in the past seem to be unable to take in context what is written there so I believe Chris simplified what is in scripture to make it a little more universal in understanding.

By the way I have to make it clear that I'm not speaking on behalf of Chris - I'm only saying what I believe his point is. For clarification you'll need to ask him yourself.

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Well you'd have to assume gay people are going to have sex surely? However, I'll state the question again in terms that presumably even you won't be able to avoid: Is it possible for people who have had penetrative homosexual sex to go to what you regard as heaven?

Fair enough, I imagine Chris T is quite capable of answering for himself!

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Perhaps, but that's not what you asked.

I'd have to say yes.

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Good answer!

And I'd add, if that's your position (you and Chris T), why do you not just say so instead of implying you're homophobic?

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

I find it completely unbelievable we are talking about "god's wrath" in this day and age surely we have progressed beyond the religious scare tactic's of old. As to entry to heaven for those that believe in it if being a good person in life is not enough to get you in then tbh heaven can't be that great a place to be.

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Neither Chris or I have ever implied we're homophobic however if someone has a particular agenda then I'm sure they'll try and read whatever they want in to our responses.

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I assure you I haven't got an 'agenda' - for the record I was quite gratified to hear you say that practicing homosexuals can go to heaven, you went up substantially in my opinion for that.

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

It's unlikely, but not impossible presumably that Hitler went to heaven?

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Let's not go down that route of discussion :D This lot have argued enough as it is, over what (I think) was meant to be a light-hearted thread, of little substance. No one really cares what some old farts with a penchant for choirboys have to say.

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I think people have been arguing about the arrogance of religion and the way it feels it can take something that affected many good people and turn it into a judgement. I mean it was way too simple for it to have just been down to a bad decision to allow building on flood plains no it had to be gods judgement.

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Apologies in advance to all / any of those who hold deeply religious based opinions on this matter - but I'd like to make it absolutely clear that whilst I have no wish, whatsoever, to cause offence to any particular religious grouping I do think it worth noting that I am allowed up later than RizzyKing.

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You are up late mind you :D Geek :erm: :D :angel: