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Stephen 28-03-2025 10:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193469)
The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?
Nothing to do with his personal opinion at all. A journalist got invited to a government message group about a military operation.

That is all that matters. Who did the person that added him get confused with?

ianch99 28-03-2025 10:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193470)
The adjective is wrong but that's one of many questions.
The statement:
Quote:
"The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?"
is a perfect example of the MAGA mindset, coming straight from the Fox News airwaves. It fails to address the real issues e.g. security, lack of probity, process, etc. and instead, tries to turn it around and tries to spin a childlike conspiracy theory.

The sad part is that people swallow this BS ...

TheDaddy 28-03-2025 12:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193468)
Bad as those were, they're not really the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. Signalgate involves named individuals at the top of government and security breaching protocol, a breach of security by many individuals not one and real time information placing a mission in jeopardy.
They're doing it on purpose, they all are, by using that app there's no records, no freedom of information requests and no accountability. If they weren't so incompetent they'd have got away with it too.

Another fine example of breathtaking incompetence with real life consequences is RFK telling people on fox news that vitamin A and cod liver oil prevents measles and now with horrible predictability hospitals are now treating children with liver damage because their parents have over loaded them on it, oh and they still have measles too, these ****ing people...

Hugh 28-03-2025 12:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193469)
The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=120179649

Quote:
On Tuesday night, however, Waltz said he was the one responsible for what took place.

"I take full responsibility. I built the group," Waltz told Fox News' Laura Ingraham.

At the same time, Waltz tried to flip the script and blame Goldberg -- suggesting the editor could have somehow wormed his way in to the group chat.

"Of course, I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean, is something we're trying to figure out," Waltz said, without evidence, on Fox News.

Signal registers users through their phone numbers and group chats are controlled by users designated as administrators, who have the authority to invite and reject users at will.

"I didn't hack into anyone's phone," Goldberg told ABC News Live anchor Kyra Phillips on Wednesday. "Mike Waltz invited me to Signal and then he invited me to a group. I don't know how to say it more simply than that."

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, told lawmakers that adding Goldberg was a "mistake."

"It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added to a signal chat with high-level national security principles, having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Houthis and the effects of the strike," Gabbard said.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Wednesday said Waltz "has taken responsibility for this matter" and it's under review.

Pierre 28-03-2025 12:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36193472)
Who did the person that added him get confused with?
Were they confused?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193474)
The statement: is a perfect example of the MAGA mindset, coming straight from the Fox News airwaves. It fails to address the real issues e.g. security, lack of probity, process, etc. and instead, tries to turn it around and tries to spin a childlike conspiracy theory.

The sad part is that people swallow this BS ...
I don't watch Fox

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Quote:
"I take full responsibility. I built the group," Waltz told Fox News' Laura Ingraham.
Well if that's the case, then it's case closed isn't it?

Incompetence, he should be sacked. that's it.

RichardCoulter 28-03-2025 14:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump has signed an executive order regarding the Smithsinian Institute for 'divisive, race-centered ideology' and wants to defund PBS for alleged left wing bias.

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2025...xecutive-order

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonio...-broadcasters/

No wonder he's friends with Putin, this is the action of a dictator.

I have read reports that medical experts have said that Trump is displaying signs of dementia or other mental issues. If he does have it, I assume that this would allow them to get rid of him. Ironic considering that he mocked Biden for cognitive dysfunction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42580762

ianch99 28-03-2025 18:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Vance is currently in Greenland at the US base and is ramping up the rhetoric which will result in the US going in force and claiming the island as a new US territory:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyd5zr20gdt

Quote:
VP says Denmark has not done 'good enough job' for Greenland

Continuing, Vance says that the US "honours" the sacrifices of Danish soldiers who fought with the US in the "war on terror 20 years ago".

He says that important security partnerships from the past does not mean they can't have tough talk with partners in the present

"Our message to Denmark is simple, you have not done a good job for the people of Greenland. This is why Trump's policy is what it is."

He adds that Denmark was "under-invested in Greenland's security architecture".

The vice-president now criticises Denmark, saying the area surrounding the Pituffik Space Base is "less secure" than it was 30-40 years ago.

He says as Russia and China have "taken greater and greater interest in this base", our allies in Europe haven't kept up.

Vance says Denmark has not invested enough to keep the area safe.
Trump has said:

Quote:
We're pivoting for a moment back to Washington, where President Donald Trump - who repeatedly said he wants the US to take over Greenland - has just been speaking with reporters in the White House. He was asked about JD Vance's trip to the Arctic territory.

Trump says that Greenland is "very important for the peace of the world".

And he then follows that up by saying:

"I think the European Union understands it, and if they don't - we're going to have to explain it."

"We have to have Greenland. It's not a question of 'do you think we can do without it.' We can't."

Donald Trump, US president
What would Denmark, and therefore the EU, do when they take over?

Mr K 28-03-2025 18:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193498)
Vance is currently in Greenland at the US base and is ramping up the rhetoric which will result in the US going in force and claiming the island
Greenland should arrest him as an enemy of the state. Make him a prisoner of war and set him to work sewing fishing nets.

Paul 28-03-2025 18:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193498)
What would Denmark, and therefore the EU, do when they take over?
Probably nothing, but I suppose it depends on what "take over" means.

It doesnt really seem like they want to rule it, more just use it as a big US base.
Since they already have a base on the island, its hard to see what more they think they need.

Damien 28-03-2025 18:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
We and the EU might need to put our militaries there to show that we are 'securing' the area. Obviously, that's not what it's actually about, nor would our troops deter the Americans from invasion,n but it would remove their pretext for taking it over.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36193502)
Probably nothing, but I suppose it depends on what "take over" means.

It doesnt really seem like they want to rule it, more just use it as a big US base.
Since they already have a base on the island, its hard to see what more they think they need.
They want the country itself because it seems Trump is obsessed with his legacy, being that he secured more land for America.

I originally thought their obsession with Greenland was just him talking nonsense as he does, but they're continuing with it and making moves to justify it. They're sending the VP out there.

thenry 28-03-2025 18:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Why is Trump considered the problem when there's movement in notions spoken of by Trump?

RichardCoulter 28-03-2025 19:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193503)
We and the EU might need to put our militaries there to show that we are 'securing' the area. Obviously, that's not what it's actually about, nor would our troops deter the Americans from invasion,n but it would remove their pretext for taking it over.

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They want the country itself because it seems Trump is obsessed with his legacy, being that he secured more land for America.

I originally thought their obsession with Greenland was just him talking nonsense as he does, but
they're continuing with it and making moves to justify it. They're sending the VP out there.
Same here.

Hugh 28-03-2025 19:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36193505)
Why is Trump considered the problem when there's movement in notions spoken of by Trump?
Such as?

Canada and Greenland seem pretty unequivocal about not wishing to be subsumed by the US of A…

thenry 28-03-2025 20:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193507)
Such as?

Canada and Greenland seem pretty unequivocal about not wishing to be subsumed by the US of A…
Israel conflict. All hell will break loose.

Movement in the Ukraine. Gambling with WW3.

These coward leaders of ours happily toe the line adding destruction to this world then jump on the Trump movement.

Pierre 28-03-2025 20:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193498)
What would Denmark, and therefore the EU, do when they take over?
They’re not going to take over.

If they attempt that then they are no better than Putin.

And although I do enjoy taking the contrary position on here in regards to Trump, if they did attempt such a thing, I’d jump into bed with Hugh in a heart beat. Figuratively speaking.

Damien 28-03-2025 20:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193510)
They’re not going to take over.

If they attempt that then they are no better than Putin.

And although I do enjoy taking the contrary position on here in regards to Trump, if they did attempt such a thing, I’d jump into bed with Hugh in a heart beat. Figuratively speaking.
The thing is, what are they up to otherwise?

This isn't Trump just talking nonsense. They're starting to build a pretext. They're talking about it being a danger to US and world security, that Russia and China are showing interest, and they would secure it. They're framing it as a national security issue to build support domestically.

I don't understand why they would bother with these arguments and going to visit Greenland if they weren't building to something.

Hugh 28-03-2025 20:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193510)
They’re not going to take over.

If they attempt that then they are no better than Putin.

And although I do enjoy taking the contrary position on here in regards to Trump, if they did attempt such a thing, I’d jump into bed with Hugh in a heart beat. Figuratively speaking.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/03/11.gif

ianch99 28-03-2025 21:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Seems that Vlad has done a deal with the Orange One:

Putin threatens Arctic WAR ahead of US Vice President Vance's visit to Greenland and claims NATO is using region as 'springboard for conflicts'

JD Vance Warns There's 'Very Strong Evidence' China, Russia Want Greenland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193512)
This isn't Trump just talking nonsense. They're starting to build a pretext. They're talking about it being a danger to US and world security, that Russia and China are showing interest, and they would secure it. They're framing it as a national security issue to build support domestically.
This ...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36193502)
Probably nothing, but I suppose it depends on what "take over" means.

It doesnt really seem like they want to rule it, more just use it as a big US base.
Since they already have a base on the island, its hard to see what more they think they need.
Trump wants the minerals ....

Factbox: Greenland’s rich but largely untapped mineral resources

Quote:
A 2023 survey showed that 25 of 34 minerals deemed “critical raw materials” by the European Commission were found in Greenland.

The extraction of oil and natural gas is banned in Greenland for environmental reasons, and development of its mining sector has been snarled in red tape and opposition from indigenous people.
Never thought I would quote from mining.com :)

jfman 29-03-2025 10:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Invoking the Russian bogeyman to induce consent for a policy that ordinarily wouldn’t be popular. A tried and tested strategy.

RichardCoulter 30-03-2025 20:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193515)
Seems that Vlad has done a deal with the Orange One:

Putin threatens Arctic WAR ahead of US Vice President Vance's visit to Greenland and claims NATO is using region as 'springboard for conflicts'

JD Vance Warns There's 'Very Strong Evidence' China, Russia Want Greenland

---------- Post added at 21:03 ---------- Previous post was at 21:02 ----------



This ...

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Trump wants the minerals ....

Factbox: Greenland’s rich but largely untapped mineral resources



Never thought I would quote from mining.com :)
But now Trump is "angry & pissed off" with Putin!

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/no-on...trump-13338576

Chris 30-03-2025 21:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36193567)
But now Trump is "angry & pissed off" with Putin!

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/no-on...trump-13338576
“I didn’t think the face-eating leopard would eat my face” says man who spent years sucking up to face-eating leopard

Etc etc etc

Or, what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? In this case, Trump’s ego on one side, and Putin’s glorious purpose (to restore the glory of the Rus) on the other.

Trump seems to have thought he was Putin’s equal, and his New York tough guy dealmaker schtick would earn him Putn’s respect and co-operation. Putin, on the other hand, saw Trump for what he is: a midwit bully whose influence derives from inherited wealth rather than any personal wit or skill. Putin, I am certain, despises Trump and will not give him what he wants. He will string him along for as long as he can and get whatever he can out of it, then carry on with his plan to rebuild the Russian empire. That is his life’s mission, and anyone who thinks he’s going to give that up for any reason is fooling themselves.

Trump is never going to get a genuine peaceful resolution out of this. The only question is at what point he properly understands it. Because that’s the point at which he will suffer narcissistic injury, and when Trump feels personally wounded by people not caving in to his demands, he is petulant and unpredictable.

1andrew1 30-03-2025 21:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Let's hope this doesn't happen!
Quote:
Trump says ‘there are methods’ for seeking third term in White House

In interview Trump said he wasn’t joking when he alluded to a purported loophole for a third term as president

Donald Trump has said there are “methods” – if not “plans” – to circumvent the constitutional limit preventing US presidents from serving three terms.

In an interview aired Sunday on NBC, Trump was asked about his trying to stay in office beyond his second presidency, a specter he has repeatedly raised while sometimes claiming he is just joking.

Trump told host Kristen Welker “there are methods which you could do it” – and this time made it a point to say he was not joking.

“Well, there are plans,” Trump said to Welker. “There are – not plans. There are methods – there are methods which you could do it, as you know.”

Welker alluded to a purported loophole some Trump supporters have fantasized about finding in which he could be the running mate to his vice-president, JD Vance, or someone else in the 2028 election. The person to whom Trump would be the running mate in that scenario could then immediately resign after winning and being sworn in as president, letting Trump take over by succession.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...term-president

Chris 30-03-2025 21:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
If you were JD Vance, or anyone else credible enough to actually win a general election, you would have to be clinically insane to be elected president and then, having actually been sworn in, to willingly resign in favour of an 82 year old barely continent Donald Trump. What could possibly induce you to do such a thing?

Besides, while there is just enough ambiguity in the 22nd amendment (it says ‘elected’ to the office, not subbed in), it would end up with the Supreme Court and an Oval Office without authority for at least as long as it took the case to be decided. You have to wonder whether even the modern husk of the GOP would be so self-destructive, or act in ways so obviously against the national interest.

papa smurf 30-03-2025 22:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Don't worry there's probably more than one bullet with trumps name on it, and at the rate he's making enemies it won't be long before the vice retard takes over.

1andrew1 30-03-2025 22:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193573)
If you were JD Vance, or anyone else credible enough to actually win a general election, you would have to be clinically insane to be elected president and then, having actually been sworn in, to willingly resign in favour of an 82 year old barely continent Donald Trump. What could possibly induce you to do such a thing?

Besides, while there is just enough ambiguity in the 22nd amendment (it says ‘elected’ to the office, not subbed in), it would end up with the Supreme Court and an Oval Office without authority for at least as long as it took the case to be decided. You have to wonder whether even the modern husk of the GOP would be so self-destructive, or act in ways so obviously against the national interest.
A few hints from the GRU of what will happen if he doesn’t toe the line should suffice.

Chris 30-03-2025 22:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193575)
A few hints from the GRU of what will happen if he doesn’t toe the line should suffice.
The GRU plausibly has leverage on Trump himself, but they would have to have a ton of kompromat on every plausible GOP presidential candidate to be certain of getting someone in who would then resign in favour of Trump.

But after all that, you would have to ask why would they bother? How could it be that important to keep Trump in the White House?

RichardCoulter 30-03-2025 23:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193568)
“I didn’t think the face-eating leopard would eat my face” says man who spent years sucking up to face-eating leopard

Etc etc etc

Or, what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? In this case, Trump’s ego on one side, and Putin’s glorious purpose (to restore the glory of the Rus) on the other.

Trump seems to have thought he was Putin’s equal, and his New York tough guy dealmaker schtick would earn him Putn’s respect and co-operation. Putin, on the other hand, saw Trump for what he is: a midwit bully whose influence derives from inherited wealth rather than any personal wit or skill. Putin, I am certain, despises Trump and will not give him what he wants. He will string him along for as long as he can and get whatever he can out of it, then carry on with his plan to rebuild the Russian empire. That is his life’s mission, and anyone who thinks he’s going to give that up for any reason is fooling themselves.

Trump is never going to get a genuine peaceful resolution out of this. The only question is at what point he properly understands it. Because that’s the point at which he will suffer narcissistic injury, and when Trump feels personally wounded by people not caving in to his demands, he is petulant and unpredictable.
He is also revengeful to them, this could get really nasty & dangerous.

Just listened to this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5vfb

He has now scrapped the team trying to prepare for the next pandemic to try and stop it in it's tracks. It was said that this is like trying to save money by stopping the building of a bridge, the whole of the work/cost already invested in it thus far becomes a waste and it still cannot be used at all.

Damien 31-03-2025 08:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193573)

Besides, while there is just enough ambiguity in the 22nd amendment (it says ‘elected’ to the office, not subbed in), it would end up with the Supreme Court and an Oval Office without authority for at least as long as it took the case to be decided. You have to wonder whether even the modern husk of the GOP would be so self-destructive, or act in ways so obviously against the national interest.
I'm pretty sure he can't run for vice president anyway.

Hom3r 31-03-2025 09:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Many states would block him as a candidate anyway

1andrew1 31-03-2025 09:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193579)
I'm pretty sure he can't run for vice president anyway.
What would stop[ him? The current Republican regime don't have any problems in defying and denigrating judges, witness the deportations.

Hugh 31-03-2025 09:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36193580)
Many states would block him as a candidate anyway
Unless he issues another Executive Order changing how the Elections are run…

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ele...01498ad79baaa#

1andrew1 31-03-2025 09:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193576)
The GRU plausibly has leverage on Trump himself, but they would have to have a ton of kompromat on every plausible GOP presidential candidate to be certain of getting someone in who would then resign in favour of Trump.

But after all that, you would have to ask why would they bother? How could it be that important to keep Trump in the White House?
Trump's been the gift that keeps on giving. Why would you not want him in the White House?

papa smurf 31-03-2025 09:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Dictators make their own rules

Damien 31-03-2025 13:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193581)
What would stop[ him? The current Republican regime don't have any problems in defying and denigrating judges, witness the deportations.
I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.

1andrew1 31-03-2025 13:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193595)
I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.
That makes sense but who would stand up to Trump and tell him he was ineligible to run for Vice President?

Chris 31-03-2025 13:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193595)
I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.
The VP must be eligible to become President - it is right at the very top of the original constitution, it’s not even an amendment. Mischief-makers point out that it doesn’t explicitly prohibit a two-term president from occupying the office and would doubtless try to make originalist claims about what the original drafters intended. Personally I think the counter argument would be that you have to read the whole document together and article 2 plus the 22nd amendment, read together must surely bar a 2-term president from being VP because, by virtue of the 22nd amendment, he is not eligible to become president.

But I’m not a constitutional lawyer, so whadda I know.

Damien 31-03-2025 13:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Yes. The amendment that bars him from running for President is the one that bars him from Vice President. If he is going to attempt to brazen it out, then he might as well do so to go for the top job again rather than this convoluted plan some are kicking about.

Whilst it's a mistake not to take Trump literally, I suspect this is one time he is just winding people up. I think he would want to do it, and also he doesn't care for norms or the constitution, but it will be his age that is the limitation here.

Also, at some point, surely, the spell will break around Trump. Politics is full of examples of seemingly unassailable politicians who seem to defy political gravity eventually falling back to earth hard.

Chris 31-03-2025 14:11
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Well yes, everyone seems to forget that he was a one-term president, which only happens to the ones who are uncommonly awful. Mind you that also serves to underline just how badly the Dems crashed the bus during Biden’s term. They allowed themselves to become defined by niche social causes and incompetence on border security. Then they made a serious attempt to get a senile octogenarian re-elected (who himself had begun his term insisting he was only going to do one) and had to sub him at the last minute for someone who just seems to have had a talent for repelling people.

1andrew1 31-03-2025 14:35
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193598)
Yes. The amendment that bars him from running for President is the one that bars him from Vice President. If he is going to attempt to brazen it out, then he might as well do so to go for the top job again rather than this convoluted plan some are kicking about.

Whilst it's a mistake not to take Trump literally, I suspect this is one time he is just winding people up. I think he would want to do it, and also he doesn't care for norms or the constitution, but it will be his age that is the limitation here.

Also, at some point, surely, the spell will break around Trump. Politics is full of examples of seemingly unassailable politicians who seem to defy political gravity eventually falling back to earth hard.
Good point and it could even be a wind up by Trump!

Pierre 31-03-2025 18:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193571)
Let's hope this doesn't happen!

Trump says ‘there are methods’ for seeking third term in White House

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...term-president
Well Obama got three, so why not?

pip08456 31-03-2025 18:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193611)
Well Obama got three, so why not?
Really? When?

1andrew1 31-03-2025 18:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193611)
Well Obama got three, so why not?
That's because Kenyan-born US Presidents are allowed to serve an extra term. ;)

jfman 31-03-2025 19:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193611)
Well Obama got three, so why not?
Now, now. The autopen served it’s term with distinction.

Chris 31-03-2025 20:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193619)
Now, now. The autopen served it’s term with distinction.
That sounds like a really crap Glen A Larson pilot that somehow never got a full series

Paul 01-04-2025 02:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193611)
Well Obama got three, so why not?
Please explain when/how.

Pierre 01-04-2025 09:59
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36193614)
Really? When?
You're assuming that Biden wasn't an Obama avatar. Someone was running the US and it wasn't Biden, and it definitely wasn't Harris.

Obama, is on record as saying he would prefer to run the country for a third term, but from behind.

Trump will not get a third term, so we can all calm down about that, but you can guarantee, that if Vance runs and wins in 2028, they'll all be calling it a Trump third term.

You can guarantee that whoever is the Dem nominee, they will be running on a ticket against a defacto Trump third term.

Stephen 01-04-2025 10:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193645)
You're assuming that Biden wasn't an Obama avatar. Someone was running the US and it wasn't Biden, and it definitely wasn't Harris.

Obama, is on record as saying he would prefer to run the country for a third term, but from behind.

Trump will not get a third term, so we can all calm down about that, but you can guarantee, that if Vance runs and wins in 2028, they'll all be calling it a Trump third term.

You can guarantee that whoever is the Dem nominee, they will be running on a ticket against a defacto Trump third term.
You can't surely be serious? That's the biggest load of conspiracy nonsense I've heard in a while.

Chris 01-04-2025 10:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36193647)
You can't surely be serious? That's the biggest load of conspiracy nonsense I've heard in a while.
You can’t have failed to notice Joe’s lucidity was not always first rate, surely? I mean that disastrous TV debate against Trump which resulted in him withdrawing from the election … you think that was the very first time anyone had reservations about his mental competence?

Rather, that was the point it was no longer possible to hide the fact that Biden wasn’t mentally competent for the job. But the country was being run, orders were being issued, decisions taken, documents signed. It might be pushing it a bit to claim he was being propped up in front of a TV camera like Melakon (IYKYK) but there were certainly several senior someones giving firm advice and keeping a hand on the tiller, otherwise the White House would have been in manifest chaos for 4 years.

Stephen 01-04-2025 11:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193649)
You can’t have failed to notice Joe’s lucidity was not always first rate, surely? I mean that disastrous TV debate against Trump which resulted in him withdrawing from the election … you think that was the very first time anyone had reservations about his mental competence?

Rather, that was the point it was no longer possible to hide the fact that Biden wasn’t mentally competent for the job. But the country was being run, orders were being issued, decisions taken, documents signed. It might be pushing it a bit to claim he was being propped up in front of a TV camera like Melakon (IYKYK) but there were certainly several senior someones giving firm advice and keeping a hand on the tiller, otherwise the White House would have been in manifest chaos for 4 years.
I'm not saying that didn't happen. Biden was old and past it. What I am saying is that in no way was it Obama like the Maga lot have tried to claim.

Pierre 01-04-2025 11:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36193651)
I'm not saying that didn't happen. Biden was old and past it. What I am saying is that in no way was it Obama like the Maga lot have tried to claim.
Why would that be so unbelievable?

A former Democratic president, only out of office for four years. If you accept that Biden was not the full shilling for possibly 3 out of his 4 years, why wouldn't you look to one of your most successful former presidents.

It's strange you can accept one, but not the other.

1andrew1 01-04-2025 11:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193656)
Why would that be so unbelievable?

A former Democratic president, only out of office for four years. If you accept that Biden was not the full shilling for possibly 3 out of his 4 years, why wouldn't you look to one of your most successful former presidents.

It's strange you can accept one, but not the other.
Thank you for your recent posts. I'm pleased to confirm that your contract with the Internet Research Agency has been extended for another two years.
Warm regards, Ivan.

ianch99 01-04-2025 12:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193649)
You can’t have failed to notice Joe’s lucidity was not always first rate, surely? I mean that disastrous TV debate against Trump which resulted in him withdrawing from the election … you think that was the very first time anyone had reservations about his mental competence?

Rather, that was the point it was no longer possible to hide the fact that Biden wasn’t mentally competent for the job. But the country was being run, orders were being issued, decisions taken, documents signed. It might be pushing it a bit to claim he was being propped up in front of a TV camera like Melakon (IYKYK) but there were certainly several senior someones giving firm advice and keeping a hand on the tiller, otherwise the White House would have been in manifest chaos for 4 years.
In the same way that Trump is being directed from the shadows. The main failing of the Democrats was not DEI, Trans Sports, etc., it was the lack of honesty about Bidens mental state. They knew for a long while that he was declining. The current GOP also know that Trump is declining but you will also see the same duplicity from them.

Pierre 01-04-2025 12:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193659)
Thank you for your recent posts. I'm pleased to confirm that your contract with the Internet Research Agency has been extended for another two years.
Warm regards, Ivan.
Thanks Ivan,

Thanks also for your work in the Internet Research Agency breaking, and establishing as fact, the Wuhan lab leak story and not swallowing the narrative that was being pushed, that a bat banged a pangolin in a Chinese wet market.

And for your great work on the Hunter Biden laptop story.

papa smurf 01-04-2025 13:09
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193668)
Thanks Ivan,

Thanks also for your work in the Internet Research Agency breaking, and establishing as fact, the Wuhan lab leak story and not swallowing the narrative that was being pushed, that a bat banged a pangolin in a Chinese wet market.

And for your great work on the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Made love too surely :shocked:

ianch99 01-04-2025 14:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
If you want to see how Trump is implementing Project 2025, this is a great site to track progress: https://www.project2025.observer/

You know, the project that Trump claimed to know nothing about ..

Sephiroth 01-04-2025 16:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Imo, it'll all backfire on Trump. He cannot crap on the rest of the world and expect to get away with it. His victims will eventually get their shit together within their various blocs and, if he doesn't bend, a trade war with the USA seems likely and nobody will buy the USA's stuff. At least that's how human nature sees it. Then there's the ludicrous politicians - everywhere ......

Chris 01-04-2025 16:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193682)
Imo, it'll all backfire on Trump. He cannot crap on the rest of the world and expect to get away with it. His victims will eventually get their shit together within their various blocs and, if he doesn't bend, a trade war with the USA seems likely and nobody will buy the USA's stuff. At least that's how human nature sees it. Then there's the ludicrous politicians - everywhere ......
There is the small but tantalising possibility that a couple of congressional by-elections coming up in Florida could derail his programme, if he loses both, because when the two other vacancies (both previously Dem seats) are filled he is possibly looking at a wafer-thin majority that is vulnerable. Even if things stay as they are for now, his majority is small enough he is likely to lose control of at least one house, and possibly both, at the mid terms, which is probably why he’s in such indecent haste today.

1andrew1 01-04-2025 23:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193682)
Imo, it'll all backfire on Trump. He cannot crap on the rest of the world and expect to get away with it. His victims will eventually get their shit together within their various blocs and, if he doesn't bend, a trade war with the USA seems likely and nobody will buy the USA's stuff. At least that's how human nature sees it. Then there's the ludicrous politicians - everywhere ......
It's interesting how the various countries and blocs are reacting.

Canada is acting hard and the EU looks set to follow.

UK and Australia are negotiating with the US but indications are not positive with "Liberation Day" or "Tariff Day" nearly upon us.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193685)
There is the small but tantalising possibility that a couple of congressional by-elections coming up in Florida could derail his programme, if he loses both, because when the two other vacancies (both previously Dem seats) are filled he is possibly looking at a wafer-thin majority that is vulnerable. Even if things stay as they are for now, his majority is small enough he is likely to lose control of at least one house, and possibly both, at the mid terms, which is probably why he’s in such indecent haste today.
It was said at the onset he was moving ahead with his plans like a man possessed due to his wafer thin majority of five seats with four vacant seats.

1andrew1 02-04-2025 11:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Putin is indicating that his pet needs to be reigned in.
Quote:
The Kremlin has warned Donald Trump to back off after he threatened to strike the nuclear facilities of its ally, Iran. In a televised interview, the US President threatened Ayatollah Ali Khamenei with military action and crippling economic sanctions unless Tehran comes to the negotiating table over its nuclear programme.

"If they don't make a deal, there will be bombing," Trump declared. "It will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before." Russia - which has sought to position itself as a mediator between Washington and Tehran - warned that such an attack could have "catastrophic consequences".

Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told International Affairs: "Threats are indeed being heard, ultimatums are also being heard. We consider such methods inappropriate, we condemn them, we consider them a way for (the US) to impose its own will on the Iranian side."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...2480d442&ei=17

Maggy 02-04-2025 12:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
While Trump sits in the White House there is no reason or common sense to be had anywhere.

Sephiroth 02-04-2025 13:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36193722)
While Trump sits in the White House there is no reason or common sense to be had anywhere.
In particular the Labour government who didn’t have the diplomatic nouse and fore-sense not to trash Trump as openly as they did. Payback time for those idiots (see Chagos also for details) and, unfortunately, adverse consequences for us.

ianch99 02-04-2025 14:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
You have to laugh :)

US officials object to European push to buy weapons locally

Quote:
U.S. officials have told European allies they want them to keep buying American-made arms, amid recent moves by the European Union to limit U.S. manufacturers' participation in weapons tenders, five sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
The messages delivered by Washington in recent weeks come as the EU takes steps to boost Europe's weapons industry, while potentially limiting purchases of certain types of U.S. arms.

1andrew1 02-04-2025 14:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193724)
In particular the Labour government who didn’t have the diplomatic nouse and fore-sense not to trash Trump as openly as they did. Payback time for those idiots (see Chagos also for details) and, unfortunately, adverse consequences for us.
They've done well subsequently but I doubt anyone can make Trump change his mind on wrecking the global economy.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193728)
The hypocrisy is large on this one. :D

Sephiroth 02-04-2025 14:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193729)
They've done well subsequently but I doubt anyone can make Trump change his mind on wrecking the global economy.
Have they really?

2018 Lammy: "Trump's a neo-Nazi" .

2024 Lammy: "He did offer me a second portion of chicken. He was very generous, very gracious, very keen to make sure that we felt relaxed and comfortable in his surroundings......"

Doing a wonderful job? Same applies to Starmer.



1andrew1 02-04-2025 15:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193731)
Have they really?

2018 Lammy: "Trump's a neo-Nazi" .

2024 Lammy: "He did offer me a second portion of chicken. He was very generous, very gracious, very keen to make sure that we felt relaxed and comfortable in his surroundings......"

Doing a wonderful job? Same applies to Starmer.

Theresa May was Prime Minister in 2018, so those comments were not by a Labour government.

I maintain they've done a good job subsequently on doing their best to win Trump round and many Conservatives who are no fans of Starmer acknowledge this as well. I'm no fan of Starmer but that doesn't preclude me from acknowledging when the boy's done good, the same as when I saw BoJo doing a good job in supporting Ukraine.

Sephiroth 02-04-2025 15:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193738)
Theresa May was Prime Minister in 2018, so those comments were not by a Labour government.

I maintain they've done a good job subsequently on doing their best to win Trump round and many Conservatives who are no fans of Starmer acknowledge this as well. I'm no fan of Starmer but that doesn't preclude me from acknowledging when the boy's done good, the same as when I saw BoJo doing a good job in supporting Ukraine.
On Lammy, what he said about Trimp was actually worse.
See https://time.com/7000035/uk-foreign-...nazi-comments/

"Doing their best to win Trump round" really means nothing unless they succeed in being forgiven for dissing Trump back then. Is that likely? I suspect not until Trump feels they've been taught a lesson.

Starmer & co might be considered to have done a good job if we obtain a carve-out. So, let's see.

thenry 02-04-2025 22:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/04/1.jpeg

mrmistoffelees 02-04-2025 22:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Those American sweetie shops are going to get even more expensive ….

Damien 02-04-2025 22:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Probably the best we could hope for.

BTW It seems a lot of those 'what they charge us' figures are nonsense.

1andrew1 02-04-2025 23:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Vehicles imported from the UK still taxed at 25%.

I would be interested to see the Mexican and Canadian tariffs.

Hugh 03-04-2025 08:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump has introduced a 10% tariff on the British Indian Ocean Territory.

The only inhabited island there is Diego Garcia, home to 4,000 US service personnel, so Trump has put a tariff on a US Military base.

Bigly genius…

papa smurf 03-04-2025 08:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193774)
Probably the best we could hope for.

BTW It seems a lot of those 'what they charge us' figures are nonsense.
90% of what Trump says is nonsense or just plain lies.

Sephiroth 03-04-2025 08:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193786)
Trump has introduced a 10% tariff on the British Indian Ocean Territory.

The only inhabited island there is Diego Garcia, home to 4,000 US service personnel, so Trump has put a tariff on a US Military base.

Bigly genius…
I believe that Mauritius attracts a 40% tariff. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/here...50-are-8074907

Hugh 03-04-2025 09:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193788)
I believe that Mauritius attracts a 40% tariff. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/here...50-are-8074907
Whilst accurate, may I ask what the relevance is to the BIOT, whose only inhabitants are 4,000 US Service personnel (and a handful of British Military liaison personnel)?

Sephiroth 03-04-2025 09:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Just saying.

pip08456 03-04-2025 12:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193786)
Trump has introduced a 10% tariff on the British Indian Ocean Territory.

The only inhabited island there is Diego Garcia, home to 4,000 US service personnel, so Trump has put a tariff on a US Military base.

Bigly genius…
Why not? He's also done it to seals, seabirds and penguins on Heard and McDonald Island.

ianch99 03-04-2025 12:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The Torygraph is not a Trump supporter:

This is one of America’s most shocking economic defeats in 40 years

Quote:
“For all intents and purposes, the US is now a rogue nation when it comes to trade,” said Michael Gasiorek, the director of the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.

“I don’t think there is a global trade war going on. The US is fighting a trade war with everybody but the others are keen to co-operate even more.”
You now have China doing this:

Quote:
China has launched a charm offensive to woo European officials and companies, to the point of inviting the heads of Mercedes and BMW to meet Xi Jinping.

EU trade commissioner Maroš Šefčovič has been on a recce mission to Beijing to explore a Sino-European truce to reorder global trade.
Lastly, an interesting take on the legality:

Quote:
Trump’s tariffs are, of course, unconstitutional. Article I of the Constitution gives Congress exclusive power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,” and for good reason.
If true, expect challenges in the Federal courts ..

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Prescient discussion of tariffs by Reagan



Transcript is here: https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...d-fair-trade-4

Quote:
Indeed, throughout the world there's a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free competition. Now, there are sound historical reasons for this. For those of us who lived through the Great Depression, the memory of the suffering it caused is deep and searing. And today many economic analysts and historians argue that high tariff legislation passed back in that period called the Smoot-Hawley tariff greatly deepened the depression and prevented economic recovery.

You see, at first, when someone says, ``Let's impose tariffs on foreign imports,'' it looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works -- but only for a short time. What eventually occurs is: First, homegrown industries start relying on government protection in the form of high tariffs. They stop competing and stop making the innovative management and technological changes they need to succeed in world markets. And then, while all this is going on, something even worse occurs. High tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars. The result is more and more tariffs, higher and higher trade barriers, and less and less competition. So, soon, because of the prices made artificially high by tariffs that subsidize inefficiency and poor management, people stop buying. Then the worst happens: Markets shrink and collapse; businesses and industries shut down; and millions of people lose their jobs.
"People who don't know history, are doomed to repeat it"

1andrew1 03-04-2025 13:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36193774)
Probably the best we could hope for.

BTW It seems a lot of those 'what they charge us' figures are nonsense.
Here's the formula.
Quote:
Here’s what the White House and its crack team of trade investigators seems to have done: Take the US’s goods trade deficit with any particular country, and divide it by the total amount of goods imported from that country. Cut that percentage in half, and there’s the US’s “reciprocal” tariff rate.

We can confirm this fits* the numbers for the first 24 countries listed, which we checked by hand because we could hardly believe it and also because we refuse to use AI for anything. Kudos to @orthonormalist and James Surowiecki, who both put it together, more or less.

Let’s look at Bangladesh as an example. The US imported $8.4bn of goods from Bangladesh in 2024, giving it a $6.2bn trade deficit with the country. 6.2 divided by 8.4 is 0.738.

And what do you know? The White House says that the country has “charged” 74 per cent “tariffs” against the US, “including currency manipulation and trade barriers”.
https://www.ft.com/content/e025d7e6-...5-7900b94ac153

Hugh 03-04-2025 14:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
One country was noticeable by its absence from the "reciprocal tariffs" list, even though the USA had a $2.5 billion goods trade deficit with it in 2024…

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/e...eurasia/russia

Quote:
U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
And $450 million deficit so far this year…

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

The USA also had a (small) trade deficit with another country not on the list…

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4622.html

1andrew1 03-04-2025 15:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Liz Truss and Donald Trump are in a bar.
Liz "When I was Prime Minister, I crashed the economy and devalued the £ by 5%!"
Donald "Hold my (alcohol free) beer!"

Sephiroth 03-04-2025 15:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Starmer and Donald Trump are in a bar.

Starmer: "Now I'm Prime Minister, I can seriously crash the economy."


Trump: "Here, let me help you.|"

Lammy: "I told you - neo-Fascist sociopath."

pip08456 03-04-2025 16:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
2 Attachment(s)
Those pesky penguins on Heard and McDonald Island.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1743693267

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1743693267

Damien 03-04-2025 16:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The markets are having a blood bath.

I took my pension out of 100% equities the other week in anticipation of this idiot being an idiot. Might look to put it back soon on the assumption they'll come to their senses when the reality kicks in....

1andrew1 03-04-2025 17:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Anyone doubting that Trump's faculties are ailing should have no doubt in their mind now after seeing these crazy recession-inducing tariffs.

And Farage is notable by his absence on this. The Liberal Democrats and Conservatives have spoken up. What is "Our Nige's" view?

Hugh 03-04-2025 17:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
So much winning...

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...higan-indiana/

Quote:
In a letter sent out Thursday morning, Stellantis’ North American COO Antonio Filosa said that despite seeing market growth since January, the company would idle its Windsor Assembly Plant for two weeks and its Toluca Assembly Plant for April and temporarily lay off 900 workers.

"With the new automotive sector tariffs now in effect, it will take our collective resilience and discipline to push through this challenging time,“ Filosa wrote. ”But we will quickly adapt to these policy changes and will protect our company, maintain our competitive edge and continue delivering great products to our customers."

The layoffs will impact workers at the Warren and Sterling Heights stamping plants, as well as workers at the Indiana Transmission Plant and the Kokomo Transmission and Casting plants.

jfman 03-04-2025 17:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193818)
Anyone doubting that Trump's faculties are ailing should have no doubt in their mind now after seeing these crazy recession-inducing tariffs.

And Farage is notable by his absence on this. The Liberal Democrats and Conservatives have spoken up. What is "Our Nige's" view?
His faculties are only ailing if this isn’t intentional. He said pre-election he’d do this and has a mandate to deliver.

papa smurf 03-04-2025 17:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193820)
His faculties are only ailing if this isn’t intentional. He said pre-election he’d do this and has a mandate to deliver.
This could go into the calendar as orange cretin day if it goes belly up.

Pierre 03-04-2025 19:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I’m keeping my powder dry, I don’t think anyone is really in a position to critique this for a couple of years…..and that’s only because we don’t know how this will play out mid-term, let alone long-term.

Hugh 03-04-2025 21:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4chsBdN

Quote:
President Donald Trump’s intensifying trade war sent financial markets reeling as investors, companies and Americans fretted about rising costs from an onslaught of new tariffs.


U.S. stocks closed down sharply Thursday, with the tech-heavy Nasdaq falling close to 6 percent for the day and about 17 percent off its mid-February peak, with Apple, Google and Nvidia all posting big losses. The S&P 500 notched its biggest one-day drop since summer of 2020, closing down 4.8 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell almost 4 percent. The major indexes in Asia and Europe also took a fall, although some recovered their losses during their trading day.


The wave of new import taxes, which are expected to cost U.S. consumers and businesses billions of dollars this year, threatens to radically alter the economic outlook. Economists on Wall Street and beyond are now warning that a downturn is becoming much more likely this year.

“The level of new tariffs is just absolutely massive,” said Luke Tilley, chief economist at Wilmington Trust, which now puts the odds of a recession at 50 percent, up from 40 percent earlier this week. “There is still so much uncertainty, but if these tariffs stay on for three months, there’ll be a recession — and that will be one of the easier calls I’ve had to make in my 25 years of being an economist.”
I wonder how long it will be before Trump goes "Full Truss" and starts calling Wall Street, NASDAQ, the S& P 500, & the Dow Jones Index "woke" and "left wing", and accuse them of "looting, pillaging, raping and plundering” the US of A?

Pierre 03-04-2025 21:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193858)
https://wapo.st/4chsBdN



I wonder how long it will be before Trump goes "Full Truss" and starts calling Wall Street, NASDAQ, the S& P 500, & the Dow Jones Index "woke" and "left wing", and accuse them of "looting, pillaging, raping and plundering” the US of A?
as I say…..in 2027, we may or may not know how it all worked out.

One thing is certain , we won’t know now.

Hugh 03-04-2025 22:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193858)
https://wapo.st/4chsBdN



I wonder how long it will be before Trump goes "Full Truss" and starts calling Wall Street, NASDAQ, the S& P 500, & the Dow Jones Index "woke" and "left wing", and accuse them of "looting, pillaging, raping and plundering” the US of A?
On a totally unrelated note…

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-ne...icker-34990910

Quote:
Fox News removes their Dow ticker as stocks crater from Trump's new tariffs

Sephiroth 03-04-2025 22:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Good point.

1andrew1 03-04-2025 22:35
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193835)
I’m keeping my powder dry, I don’t think anyone is really in a position to critique this for a couple of years…..and that’s only because we don’t know how this will play out mid-term, let alone long-term.
The markets have judged Trump. Hint: It ain't good.

jfman 03-04-2025 22:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193868)
The markets have judged Trump. Hint: It ain't good.
The markets have judged their own ability to make money by speculating on the status quo. No more, no less.

No democratically elected leader is obliged to push the markets up at all costs, nor GDP up fractions of a tenth of one per cent, because the normalisation of flawed fiscal rules and economic norms have everyone wailing if you do anything else for 24 hours.

Britain, more than almost anywhere else, which has increased inequalities and reduced living standards for almost twenty years should know they are not ideal metrics.

Hugh 04-04-2025 10:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4chsBdN

Quote:
President Donald Trump on Thursday contradicted his top aides on the purpose of his sprawling new global tariff regime, adding to the uncertainty over the trade war that has sent markets reeling.


Earlier in the day, top Trump aide Peter Navarro and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said the president was not looking to strike deals over the tariffs. “This is not a negotiation,” Navarro told CNBC.


White House officials also circulated internal talking points telling surrogates that the tariffs should not be characterized as a starting point for negotiations, according to three people with knowledge of the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal matters.



But after markets closed down sharply, Trump told reporters on Air Force One that he would be open to striking deals with individual countries.


"Every country is calling us. That’s the beauty of what we do,” Trump said. “We put ourselves in the driver’s seat. If we would have asked these countries to do us a favor, they would have said no. Now they will do anything for us.

”
Trump added: “The tariffs give us great power to negotiate. They always have."

”
The diverging statements came as stock markets slumped worldwide on fears of an escalating trade war.

ianch99 04-04-2025 10:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193891)
I think it is the arrogance that will bring him down.

We have seen Carney, in Canada, give a very powerful speech stating the old world [trade] order is over. Macron is calling on EU companies to freeze investments in US. People planning to travel to the US are plummeting. This is only the beginning.

papa smurf 04-04-2025 11:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193892)
I think it is the arrogance that will bring him down.

We have seen Carney, in Canada, give a very powerful speech stating the old world [trade] order is over. Macron is calling on EU companies to freeze investments in US. People planning to travel to the US are plummeting. This is only the beginning.
Arrogance you say, can you give examples? oh and keep it down to a couple of thousand pages;)

1andrew1 04-04-2025 12:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Where's Mick when we need him to put Trump's case?

Russ 04-04-2025 12:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193906)
Where's Mick when we need him to put Trump's case?
Off to get a new Trump gold card? :D

1andrew1 04-04-2025 12:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Also open to hearing from Trump advocates on how 25% US tariffs on Minis, Aston Martins and Range Rovers are good for Britain. I hope Liz Truss is reconsidering her views on Trump now.


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