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Johnson means the calls for an election would be weaker but it would look ridiculous and split the party. I don't think he'll get a majority of the Tory MPs so it will have to go to a vote.

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he still got to face the commons committee for lying to parliament

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Oddly if he wins, then won a general election, he draws a line under his grubby past and fully restores his mandate.

That said I think neither will happen. This is the chance for the party to underline a decade of division. It’s an existential threat to them if they don’t.

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Johnson coming back to save the Party & the Country is perfect for his Churchill cosplay act.

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I really cant see BJ getting back.

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Didn't Churchill lose the election after saving the country, lets hope history repeats itself soon if this all comes to pass

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I was thinking of when he was asked to take over from Chamberlain

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l don't see him coming back as a realistic possibility.

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At the end of each Watchdog programme they used to say something along the lines of sleep well, don't have nightmares, it probably won't happen to you. I hope that applies here :erm:

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Crimewatch, Watchdogs tagline was everything's a potential deathtrap although I hope the same applies to re not having nightmares etc

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Ooops, you're quite correct. I may have to resign.

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Well it is a public forum... :)

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From the web:
I've just invented a new business. I'm going to refurbish the dinghies coming up the beach around Dover and hire them out to people who want to go the other way.

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My £5 is on Penny Mordaunt.

Don’t get me wrong I would find the return of Boris absolutely hysterical, but it won’t happen.

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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...34672816844800

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My £5 on the lettuce.

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Luttuce pray you are right :)

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100 MPs probably means no Boris Johnson?

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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...36397283557379

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In a large field of 4 or 5 credible candidates only Rishi can get that.

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Boris managed the coronavirus well. Boris made Brexit happen. Boris responded statesmanlike to Ukraine. A fine from Plod is neither here nor there. Nor is some bloke's sexual indiscretion.

PM is a tough job. He did well under pressure most PM's never experience.

He would win the public vote. End of.

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It's like F1 it's fixed before the race starts

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Speculation on the BBC that it could be an online vote :shocked:

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The Russians won’t even need to pay to influence our democracy this time.

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https://twitter.com/ConHome/status/1583145445529772033



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it is online vote if it gets to members they said that

https://news.sky.com/story/candidate...tions-12725720

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Boris Johnson reaches 25 Tory MP backers who’ve publicly endorsed his return. Rishi Sinak is on 19, declared so far.

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I wonder if they've considered the possibility of nobody getting 100 backers, the party is pretty divided after all.

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You posted that already :monkey:. You’re better than that Hugh.

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Stop repeating old memes Hugh.

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Indeed that is how l see it.

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If it happens we can have a good old laugh together on Monday afternoon.

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Here you go Seph.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1666288533

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I assumed you’d missed it…

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Boris now at 33 backers. 3rd way there lol.

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Missed what? :p:

GO BORIS!

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That's annoyed me for ages. Just hit log in and if on a phone/tablet, just swipe back. If on a PC, just close the pop-up. Annoying but manageable.

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Is this the same Boris that had to resign because his entire government resigned and refused to work with him? ;)

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Nearly 60 ministerial resignations if l rightly remember.

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Maybe the look at what they have and think sod it Boris will do haha

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NEW: Conservative MPs are breaking into three groups tonight. They are not mutually exclusive:
BBB - Bring Back Boris
ABS - Anyone But Sunak
ABB - Anyone But Boris - Christopher Hope, Associate Editor, Daily Telegraph.

Betfair exchange odds now at 4/1 for a Boris return.

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My money is still strongly on Sunak.

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Boris backers reaches 40, Sunak on 29.

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not if it goes to members vote

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They smile in your face but they’re just trying to take your place...the backstabbers.

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That's the O'Jays, not the B'Jays... ;)

Anyhoo, the Members elected one of the few who didn't resign - that went well...

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It's interesting what the drama would be in the Tory Party if Johnson did get back in. He and his faction will want to clean house for those who deposed him, and those who detest him will react in kind. Might be a proper civil war.

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Haha good one Hugh :)

Not to forget that the electorate didn’t ditch Boris.

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NEW: Jacob Rees Mogg becomes first Senior Cabinet Minister to back his old boss, Boris. Boris Backers tally reaches 45. Sunak on 31, Penny on 15.

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We're not going to get a General Election unless a whole bunch of Tory MPs just give up.

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Mick, can I ask where you are getting those numbers from, please?

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lots are saying there going too if Johnson comes back according to Andrew Marr on LBC earlier and twitter talk

and put poll up to show the majority of the public want a general election no matter what tory MP's say

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The Tories need to get over themselves and choose a unity candidate. Someone not too embedded with 'a side' and not someone who is there is settling old scores within the Tory Party at the expense of the country. They're electing a PM, this isn't just about them.

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I’m quite happy to see them continue to implode to be fair. The electorate can see through them now.

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Does a popular unity candidate even exist?

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very unlikely Andrew when they are at civil war very similar to Labour civil war under total useless Corbyn

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Those that others may want to be a unity candidate like Ben Wallace are disinclined to throw their hats into the ring.

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Let’s bring Johnson back - remember the good old days of corruption, law-breaking, cronyism, avoidable deaths, bullying, lying, lying to Parliament, lying about knowing about alleged sex-offenders, rule-breaking, attending parties at Russian spies villas in Italy, ethical breaches, trashing parliamentary standards, etc…

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We got your point a while ago, you dont need to keep repeating it. :sleep:

Also, none of those caused the economy to crash. ;)

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He has an incredible hold on the Tory imagination.

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Ouch.

PeoplePolling have the Conservative vote share down at 14% in their most recent poll, a statistical dead heat with September’s food price inflation (14.6%).

https://twitter.com/peoplepolling/st...vkmxL7cu0FqmaQ

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The Tories have no unity candidate as its a bit like looking for a unicorn to find a candidate who would unite the party.

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I was thinking this morning (it didn't hurt too much) that it's not just a good PM we need but a good team around him. If Sunak would make the best chancellor then the better PM would be one who would appoint him as chancellor and he should "step aside" from running.


Linked to that would be the team needs to accept appointments and not simply refuse to work for "them".

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I think Hunt should remain Chancellor. He is working on the new budget, be crazy to move to yet another one days before it's presented.

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Looks like if it's Boris Johnson then Tory MPs might try to kill off the privileges committee so that it doesn't cause an issue if he is found to have lied to Parliament.

https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/stat...81265452965889

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Newsnight nailed it last night

https://twitter.com/timoncheese/stat...Q06tgj17-FIwRA

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If they select BJ again, then the Tory Party will have officially made the transition from a Political Paty to a Cult. This will be they final day in the sun for a long time so they will try and make the most of it. Watch out for the accelerated erosion of our democratic & workers' rights and rollback of standards across the board to allow their backers to make the most money before they are dumped from office.

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I suspect the Government would collapse if he’s picked.

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There is quite a group of Tory MPs who will be extremely angry if that is the case.

Defections are a possibility as well.


Personally l think he is doomed to fail in his attempt to become Conservative party leader again.

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Guido Fawkes is updating his candidates/backers spreadsheet in real time. It’s worth occasionally checking at https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/w...s-up-to-boris/

At time of posting, it’s Sunak 53, Boris 52, Mordaunt 19.

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The Tories have a problem. The public overwhelmingly voted for Johnson (I know we don't have a presidential system but it's a fact).

Even though he returned the biggest Tory majority in whenever, many in the party just didn't want him.

Even after partygate, and all the other scandals, he was/is still popular and still had the mandate from the electorate.

So they get rid of him, install Truss who has no mandate, rips up the fragile alliance with the red wall and royally screws everything up.

Whoever is appointed, if it's not Johnson, they need to bring him in and commit to try and deliver his 2019 manifesto (but there is precious little time)

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Worth noting he isn't always asking people when adding them to the list: https://twitter.com/CWhittaker_MP/st...92419554693120

Sky are a bit more cautious: https://news.sky.com/story/next-prim...daunt-12593360

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He isn't that popular. He had dire approval ratings when he left. But he is popular with the Tory base which is why he'll probably win.

I agree though he is the easiest answer to the calls for an election.

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The list doesn’t claim to be a record of public declarations - only verified ones. Verification can come from nefarious grasses and other third parties, not only from the individual named.

The spreadsheet includes this, in a green box on the right: Whittaker isn’t actually saying he isn’t backing Boris, he’s saying he hasn’t told Guido that. He appears to be asking for an apology for being ‘outed’ on the basis that he’s on the committee so should be publicly neutral. I doubt he’ll get one - Guido hasn’t broken the editors code. Sometimes you can’t get a comment from the subject of an article, and there’s no law that says you have to (though of course you should try).

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The Boris backers represent the Utterly Tone Deaf Group of Tory MPs, chairman the Rt Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP.

52 of them is astonishingly bad in itself, if it gets anywhere near 100 you would have to wonder whether they’re even fully functioning members of the human race.

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If it comes down to back Boris or lose the next election and their jobs ,he'll become very popular, i think if rishi gets in many will desert the party.

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Meanwhile, Chris Mathieson (Lab, Chester) has got a serious slap from the standards watchdog for inviting a member of his staff on a dirty weekend (she did not appreciate his advances). His suspension is long enough for a recall petition to be got up, and while the Tories would be mad to actually try that, he has apparently forced the issue for himself and resigned. So we are in for a by election in a seat that Labour held in 2019 with a 6,000 majority over Con, and which is marginal enough that Con has itself held in the past (Giles Brandreth was MP there).

I wonder how many of the 20,000 Tory votes will still be there when the election occurs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63344752

and

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...f_Qho-Uo7jXyYA

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it good he gone as a MP

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I think almost any seat Labour managed to hold in 2019 is unlikely to be a marginal next time around.

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I’d never have expected the Tories to win it or even reduce the gap. The question is how big a drop in their support there will be. There is a sizeable contingent of the blue rinse brigade in Chester and the Tories’ base support there is, or should be, quite solid. I predict it won’t be.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Left? I prefer forced out of office in disgrace

You sure that's how it works? I thought standard protocol was to cover it up and then change the rules

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Ben Wallace rules himself out of the leadership race.

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And backs Johnson.

Seems like this is only going one way

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He might popular within the Tory party but Boris Johnson last ratings with YouGov suggest that is he not popular within the country.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/sta...77763465326593

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This version of the Tory Party has shown no interest in what the public thinks, it's all about them.

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I expect the Johnson support to fizzle out. They’ll all be declaring earlier, while everyone else debates Sunak v Mordaunt.

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That is very much the case but they don't seem to understand or want to understand that public opinion thinks very much differently.

Opinions polls don't tell the whole story but political parties ignore them at their peril.

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Interestingly from the Guido tracker - to the extent it holds credibility at all - of the “anonymous” MPs who hold positions in the party and “have to remain neutral” it’s 17 for Johnson, 1 for Rishi and 2 for Penny.

Either
a) it’s made up to give the impression he’s more popular than he is
or b) party office holders are that far out of touch with the rest of their MPs.

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Here’s another one from C4 News

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1...KD-5-pPqclAcgA

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https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...34848898756608

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/7.jpg

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I wouldn't read too much into the gilts on this, they are based on assumptions of what Johnson would do rather than the unfolding reality of what Truss was doing.

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https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/st...66532344328193

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I wonder if Johnson will actually stand? Maybe he feels too much resistance despite being confident of the numbers, maybe worried about the privileges committee finding against him and taking the mantle now as the economy declines?