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And so much also for those earlier comments that the UK is doing so much worse than other equivalent EU countries. While those countries are panicking now and considering even more loss of freedoms, we can now look forward to getting back to normal.

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Masks and vax passes going well then
Me neither. I'll wear one when it's legal but that's out of obligation, if I had more expensive masks i'd maybe feel that they were more useful but they aren't worth the money when a bit of cloth is much cheaper, it's a temporary measure, and they only work when you have the virus anyway.


I really don't mind if people choose to wear one after the measures expire. If they think it is safer for them or they have a cold or something which might protect others, then that is down to them (the only time I wore a mask when it wasn't mandatory was when I went for some cold medicine). But I don't see how general mask wearing by members of the public who don't have the virus helps anything and makes matters worse in other areas.

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If only they’d run out of tests.

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Well if the increased cases, hospitalisations and death from July to December are a price worth paying.

If the rhetoric about “mild” Omicron holds up then these countries will have played a blinder.

I do like the fact country comparisons are completely invalid except for the few weeks over two years England haven’t been as bad as the worst countries in the world. The ONS prevalence surveys certainly put England in that ballpark of infections.

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I have been going to a bereavement group, and nearly everyone there lost a family member through Covid, one woman and her mother have lost 5 members.


So people who say it's just a cold need a good kicking.

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Was with you until the last sentence, then I'm sorry to say you loose all sympathy. If we went round giving a good kicking to everyone who doesn't share our views what would the world be like?

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If Hom3r has lost someone to covid I think he can be forgiven for the sentiment, as long as he doesn't do in practice.

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Whilst obviously any death is a sad thing especially for those close to that person, such things do realistically need some point of perspective in regards to the circumstances.


And even though people are still dying of/with covid with the omicron variant, whether due to the vaccination or previous infection, or if it is actually milder (which UKHSA seem to think it is) by most accounts, those who are infected now, do tend to have milder cold/flu like symptoms and not anything more severe.


Whilst it clearly wasn't true before vaccination, and potentially may still not be in unvaccinated people, for most people the illness is unlikely to progress past this stage.



People do still occasionally get severe illness and complications from flu and other viruses. Whilst evidently anything regarding someone dying is emotive for those who are close to them, in the current situation, the comment probably isn't disproportionate.

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I haven't worn a mask at all during these restrictions and have never been questioned.

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Considering you can self-declare exemptions (which it is illegal to challenge) then in reality that's not too surprising.


But even though I'm clearly not the greatest fan of masks, I don't really think that not wearing one when the virus is prevalent is wise. Unless of course you know you don't have the virus.

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Except for getting on and off a plane, obvs.

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If you've been vaccinated there shouldn't be an issue. If you're not vaccinated that's your lookout.

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Which had nothing to do with Plan B restrictions and was back in October.

Hope that helps.

Oh and for the record, I did wear a mask in the first round. I chose not to wear mask during Plan B, as the rules made no sense - whatsoever.

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How does that help hearing impaired persons lip read which was the context of the comment?

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Bye bye to PlanB from Jan 26.

No more face masks
The end of working from home guidance.
The end of mandatory Covid certification.

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As if any of that was ever going to stop Omicron. But we can't really say for sure.


It's clearly not needed any more. Don't really care if people choose to wear a mask if they feel that is safer for them, but it shouldn't be the law to.


Covid certification was meaningless when triple jabbed people could still spread the virus to others.



Working from home was the only one which was going to do anything, but that couldn't be applied to every situation could it?

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The work from home actually ends today.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=29569

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60047438

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If you've been working at home successfully for 2 years and you're conversant with the right to flexible working laws, then it doesn't 😉

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Looks like this thread is dying out, much like the virus.

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Personal responsibility kept the vast majority of those who could doing so at 50k cases a day I wonder if there will be a rush back at 100k?

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That would be between the employer and employee not a Government directive or reccommendation.

If employers find it better to have their employees working from home it will continue.

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Country comparisons are invalid because each country counts coronavirus cases differently. You have to have uniform procedures and criteria in place to make a proper comparison on numbers, and there are other factors as well to take into account, such as population density, poverty, etc, etc.

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And obviously the most important factor being those that made the conscious choice to not mitigate spread and infect people in the hope of building immunity. That makes it really difficult for the propaganda machine to make favourable comparisons.

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You mean like Sweden?

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An excellent example of not achieving herd immunity by infection. Currently in their worst phase of the pandemic.

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Would that be because Omicron is more transmissive than any other variant so far even to those already vaccinated and even boosted?

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Indeed. Their flawed strategy was entirely based on believing the virus was a “once and done”. Waning immunity from vaccines and previous infection isn’t uniquely an Omicron feature it was seen with Beta (in clinical trials) and delta in the real world. Omicron just shot holes in it in a way even the most dubious spinning of statistics can’t salvage the idea that Sweden got anything from it but dead Swedes.

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So the Swedes have the highest death rate in Europe because of their actions? That would be the obvious result of their "flawed stratergy".

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I still find it staggering that people think you can stop a virus. Yes, you can slow it down, but that's not quite the same thing. Canute is outside for these people.

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It would be obvious that the strategy was bad if they had the worst death rate. It wouldn’t necessarily follow that the strategy was good if that honour fell to someone else.

Two or more countries could have bad Covid policies, with the outcome varying based on a number of factors. General health of the population, availability of healthcare at the point of infection, what treatments were available, vaccines, which vaccines.

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Smallpox? And well on the way with polio? SARS? MERS? It’s certainly possible but requires an extent of collective effort that will never be seen when some can profiteer in the chaos.

Although rehashing that debate is of little value.

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Aside from the fact you clearly understood what was meant by the post, the "flexible working laws" only allow you to make a request, they dont mean a company has to grant it (as many in people in my company have found out).

If you're wondering, I am classed as "Decentralised", which means I WFH permanantly, regardless of any covid measures.

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Yes, afaik, thats the only virus we have ever eradicated, and that took many hundreds of years.

It was declared as eradicated in 1980.

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Let's just take Smallpox, the first vaccine was produced in 1796. It took until 1978 for it to be eradicated. Just under 200 yrs to eradicate. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation vaccines are from the original though the production process is different in each case.

Heck, let's add polio.

Source

Source

But do feel free to carry on.

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So it’s possible. Thanks for sourcing all that and saving me the hassle, pip.

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Yes, much like travelling to the moon - its possible, but doesnt happen often. :)

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That was a perfectly sensible proposition before we had the vaccine, jfman. But as pointed out by pip, lockdowns only slow it down.

Interesting that your solution would take centuries to achieve. Not very practical, is it? Still, it would achieve the lockdown you crave for the rest of your life!

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The Telegraph reports that Sajid Javid has admitted that Covid death data is skewed because many people die from conditions unrelated to the virus after testing positive. ONS data shows a big discrepancy between weekly death registrations and the figures on government dashboards.

Nothing we didn't know already

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We've known that since the start though which is why 'excess deaths' was used in the initial wave to judge between nations by some.

As long as the measurement is consistent it's still useful as a way to benchmark what's happening.

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The other thing with smallpox is that it's much easier to spot and isolate when it becomes transmissible. You do not have asymptomatic smallpox (as far as I know).

So when they identified a case of Smallpox the WHO would take a break from their touring schedule and swoop into the area to do 'ring-vaccination' around the suspected case. Basically starving it of further carriers. Every time another case occurred they too would be isolated and people in that community vaccinated again until it had nowhere left to go. No more Smallpox.

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Yes skewed from 17,000 as per last nights news.

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SARS-CoV-1 is also gone, and that was done in less than two years just with masks and social distancing.

I've seen a report that it doesn't even exist in labs.

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Don't forget that Canute was trying to prove to his people that he couldn't stop the tide not that he could.

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It’s still an over-simplification. Excess deaths are also caused by people not getting diagnosed and/or treated in time as a result of prioritising Covid patients.

It shouldn’t be a problem working out who has actually been admitted and/or died of coronavirus, but recording has been shambolic because no country seems to have taken a sensible and pragmatic means of recording. Even we cannot differentiate which patients are admitted because of or die because of Covid.

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Data collection is never 100% perfect Old Boy. But excess deaths is acknowledged as the best international comparator. But if it paints Johnson in a bad light, I am sure you will do your best to undermine it.

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He’ll want to wait for the report, or 2035, whichever is later…

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That's exactly why excess deaths is the best way to measure it. Those people would not have died it if were not for Covid. So even if they didn't have Covid, it caused their death.

It is a big problem, because there is a huge grey area. For example, if you have a chronic illness such as COPD, catch Covid, get hospitalised and die, have you died of Covid, or just with it? There is no clear answer.

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My sister works in a solicitor's office, and working from home did initially have IT issues, but all staff have been given a Laptop, Scanner/Printer and mobile etc.


They are now set to carry on working in the office 2 days a week (on set days), it has gone so good that their bonus will be at least £2,000.


It has saved her nearly £1,500 a year on diesel, plus she can do the washing as well in between work

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Yep, that's pretty much how the WHO worked. Smallpox eradication worked because of;

• No asymptomatic carriers
• People REALLY didn't want to get Smallpox to vaccination take up was close to 100% when needed
• There are no animal carriers and the virus dies quickly when not inside a person
• The vaccine was easy to administer (no injections)
• The virus is pretty stable genetically so no new exciting variants popped up over time
• A global effort was in place with vaccines being manufactured by local suppliers

Polio hopefully is going the same way for the same reasons. There were only 5 wild cases noted globally last year

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:rofl::rofl:

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Deary me, the conspiracy theorists are out in force.:rolleyes:

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That is not a satisfactory answer. People cite these statistics as evidence, but they are only an indicator because they are not very accurate.

And when you then take inaccurate figures and then compare with non-compatible foreign data, those figures become extremely misleading.

Still, Andrew, I suppose that as long as it supports your take on things, that's OK as far as you are concerned.

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Yes it's unthinkable that Bojo would put his well being before that of the country, it's not like he has form for self serving behaviour. :rolleyes:

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The Covid report will be written this year. Another inaccurate calculation on your part.....:D

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If people have died because they couldn't get an operation due to attention of hospitals being diverted elsewhere, it is not a Covid death. Excess deaths include many deaths which are not due to Covid, so again, this is at best an indicator.

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Yes, the conspiracy theorists choose to ignore the fact that the review was due to take place anyway. Beware Hugh's biassed fact checker service! :D

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You seem to have completely missed the point.

The precise number of people who actually died directly due to a covid infection is interesting for all sorts of reasons but the nature of our society means it may well not be the most vital information.

In an advanced industrial society with a universal healthcare system, the overall effect on the system by a novel infection is of great importance. Excess deaths is certainly a far better indicator of the magnitude of the crisis and the measures we might need to put in place to improve resilience, precisely because it allows us to account - for example - for cancers that went undetected because someone couldn’t get to their GP soon enough.

Calling excess deaths “at best an indicator” is a word salad that doesn’t make you look as clever as you seem to think it does.

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I'm afraid you're demonstrating your lack of subject knowledge. As I said, data collection is never 100% perfect. That's not unique to this particular data set. So not being 100% perfect is not a good reason to ignore it nor to not use it to make international comparisons, providing we understand how different data collection methods might impact different data sets.
Dismissing this information as "not very accurate" is simply wrong. To do so for obvious party political reasons is disappointing.

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I am not arguing that ‘excess deaths’ doesn’t indicate a measure of the crisis, of course it does.

But it does not measure deaths that are directly connected to Covid infection. That was my point.

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Come on, Andrew, you are the one interpreting information to suit your argument.

Comparison of Covid deaths between countries when every country includes different criteria for producing the statistics is clearly inaccurate. And these are not small inaccuracies. If one country only records Hospital Covid deaths and another records all deaths including deaths in the community and in care homes, that’s a pretty big difference.

Similarly, if excess deaths includes people who are not having their health conditions monitored and those whose operations have been put back, this does reflect the scale of the problem, but what that figure is not showing is the number of Covid deaths.

I would have thought that all the pedants we encounter on this forum would recognise that immediately. But not when it doesn’t suit your argument, it seems.

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In the interests of completeness, here are the deaths purely from COVID. About 17,000 in England & Wales.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...ingcauses?s=09

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So, not the 150K that the doomsayers were promoting.:erm:

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Nice try changing your proposition from "excess deaths due to COVID” to "excess deaths due to COVID infection"… ;)

If people died due to not being able to be treated because the hospitals are full of COVID patients, they are excess deaths due to COVID.

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I haven’t tried to change anything. You know very well I was talking about Covid infections.

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Thank you, spiderplant.

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A phrase involving straws and grasping springs to mind. :sleep:

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James Brian, is a pathetic, woke idiot, to be simply ignored.

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That links to a little goldmine of data (here) In the notes of the spreadsheet, it does note that the deaths recorded are deaths due to COVID, not deaths with COVID. COVID needs to be specifically noted on the death certificate as a cause of death and there is a very formal definition of this (WHO guidelines) There can of course be multiple causes of death.

Looking at the proportion of deaths with pre-existing conditions, before vaccines, it was 12.8% and in Q3 2021, it was 17.4% which surprised me as I would have guessed that COVID would be more likely to pick off the already sick. It would be interesting to see the rates of those without pre-existing conditions who were not vaccinated, those who say they are fit and healthy and therefore don't need a vaccine.

Personally, I am quite uncomfortable with people saying COVID is only killing people with underlying conditions and that's OK. It either labels those with those conditions as 'weak' or somehow deserving or irrelevant. Many of the underlying conditions are not a death sentence in themselves and are quite manageable. In the top 20 pre-existing conditions are diabetes, hypertension, cardiac arrythmias, musculoskeletal disorders and obesity. All of these can be treated or managed - those people weren't necessarily going to die anyway

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The Covid statistical dashboard is at last conceded to be unreliable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-increasingly/

[EXTRACTS]

Covid data updates on the Government’s online dashboard are becoming increasingly unreliable, experts have warned, as it emerged up to 70 per cent of coronavirus patients in hospital were primarily being treated for other problems.

Deaths are reported as Covid on the dashboard if they occur within 28 days of a positive test. But so many people are now being diagnosed with omicron that a large proportion of natural deaths are now also ending up in the figures.

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So you are saying that if people have COVID, it shouldn't be recorded if they have something else as well?

Unfortunately, we can't see who these "experts" are who are saying this, as it's behind a paywall (and btw, you missed out the important word "current" from proposition, which is what the "experts" are saying - I am sure this was purely accidental, and you weren't deliberately trying to cast doubt on all previous statistics...

And one of the experts states So it's unreliable because of under-reporting...

Update - here's a non-paywall link

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...a-updates.html

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No, I’m not saying that. I am saying that the way these statistics are being used is giving a completely wrong impression. A substantial number of people testing positive for Covid may be dying, but not dying because of it.

You know very well that’s what I’m saying, Hugh, please stop being difficult.

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I can’t read your mind, OB, I can only see what you post.

I read that as you believed the dashboard had always been unreliable, whereas the article stated it was due to Omicron that it was deemed not suitable.

You also (again, probably not deliberately) ignored the point about under-reporting…

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A colleague lost her father the death certificate stated covid as the cause of death making no mention of the fact he was in a hospice with terminal mesotheleoma (probably spelt that wrong). I've also heard from numerous doctors and nurses that covid has become an easy way to deal with more complicated causes of death. We cannot carry on as we are forever and a day we have to get back to normality and stop living in fear of a hugely hyped illness.

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Good thread on that 17k Coronavirus death thread.
https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/st...70730867765251

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A valid argument which will no doubt be called out simply due to the platform.

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The first half of his comments, grounded in science, statistics, and good old all round evidence, is fantastic. The second half, in which he indulges in the tired old “if you say … then what you’re really saying” fallacy, was a lot of tiresome self righteous nonsense. Not being well read, not understanding how to use evidence and even making pronouncements beyond one’s expertise do not make someone “morally repugnant”.

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I don't think anyone is seriously making the argument that only 17K people have died because of COVID.

of the other 140K it's how many were going to die anyway? and then how many may have lived with a terminal illness for several more years but had their life shortened.

The whole 17K thing is a red herring of the reddest type.

Just because you had a co-morbidity doesn't mean you wouldn't have lived a long and happy life without catching COVID.

But what it does show you is that COVID is/was a culling virus that takes out the weak and the vulnerable. Young, fit and healthy are unlikely to die from it.

As well as vaccines the NHS/ Govt should also be pushing the narrative that getting fit and healthy will also reduce your chances of dying from it............unless that upsets {tinfoil} their big pharma paymasters {tinfoil}

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For the reasons I’ve outlined above, the platform upon which one speaks is significant. Twatter is all too often a moralising echo chamber and this particular user has spoiled what was a very promising summary of the relevant facts by using them as an excuse for a fulminating rant.

There are people of my acquaintance I’d like to share the data with but I’m not going to do it by linking to him because I don’t think you win anyone round by hating on them.

Of course he’s not really trying to win anyone round, he’s trying to prove he truly belongs in the club formed of people who he follows/follow him, and express similar, correct views. He’s preaching to the choir and getting off on re-tweets.

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The tone could be far, far better in the second half and he does get into lecture mode which is going to switch people off. He doesn't however call anyone morally repugnant. He says "The argument being made is that only the lives of people with no pre-existing health conditions count. This is obviously repugnant."

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This article which I posted some time back really brings things home. Many of the co-morbidities are those which are only seen in old age or are more serious in old age.

After about 5 years old, your chances if dying in any particular year will continuously go up due to general diseases. After about 5 years old, the risk if dying of COVID pretty much follows the same path. It probably isn't fair to say that the risk of dying in a particular year is doubled if you get COVID as the severity of co-morbidities will have an effect but the risk of death across the population at any given age is increased by a factor of between 1 and 2 if you get COVID

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In addition to the portion you quoted, his next-to-last tweet in that thread says “I hope it's obvious that that is an utterly repulsive and morally indefensible position.” Given the totality of what he said, I think my brief summary of his position is accurate though I accept reported speech shouldn’t go in quotes, which are reserved for directly quoted speech only.

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So basically, 17,371 people died just from covid, for the rest - it [possibly] contributed to their death, but they may (or may not) have died anyway - is that about right ?

Doesnt seem like anything new, we have always known that some people classed as dying from the virus may have died anyway, or died in an unrelated manner (e.g. accident).

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But we haven't always known how many people without underlying conditions have died. It puts paid to the "I don't have any underlying conditions so I've got nothing to worry about" myth.

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...volvingcovid19

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...isticsjuly2017

Section 9, paragraphs headed "Underlying cause of death versus contributory causes" and "final cause of death".

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Not quite, the ONS statistics files are pretty clear that the only count deaths where COVID is an underlying cause. From their 2020 summary report;

For underlying conditions, the following definition is used;

Yeah, you could have COVID and then get run over by a truck but COVID would not be a cause of death on the death certificate

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Anyone might die anyway but there is a difference between someone with serious co-morbidity who really were within months of death and someone with manageable diabetes or a mild heart condition. The latter camp can live for decades.

So I don't think it's fair to exclude them from the death tolls.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Do other countries do that, or just us?

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Why should the UK be different from the rest of the World?

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'Never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few... based on dodgy data':

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...modellers.html

A blistering verdict on Covid 'experts' from MP BOB SEELY in a landmark speech

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Where did I say it should? I asked if the rest of the world was calculating deaths in the same way. Trust you to get the wrong end of the stick - again.

The significance of what I am saying is that if we don’t count deaths the same way in all countries, we cannot compare how we are all doing. And yet we see people doing just that all the time.

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I suspect they are counting people who had other health conditions. It would be mad not to do so.

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it doesn't really make any difference now anyway.

People don't trust the politicians.

People don't trust the scientists. (the ones that made all those "accurate" predictions)

People don't trust the media.

Although there may have been a valid reason for the very first lockdown, as there was no vaccine and no one knew what to do. There was no good reason for subsequent lockdowns. The vaccines were on the way and other measures should have been implemented.

There's no way we'll see another lockdown in this country, (England) or even closure of certain businesses.

The scientists have cried wolf too many times and people now (the ones that have haven't been frightened into submission over the last two years) will just shrug their shoulders at news of another variant.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Why don’t you Google it, and find out, rather than just asking the same question repeatedly?

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So here we are, 4 weeks later.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1643214371

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I am in a really boring phone call so I decided to have a look at how we and other countries count COVID deaths. The UK uses the World Health Organisation International Classification of Diseases (ICD) scheme for registering deaths. Here is a nice map of what countries use the same system;

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/01/8.jpg

Here's a document from the WHO on how and when you should register COVID as a cause of death to differentiate between dying of and with COVID - https://www.who.int/classifications/...ID-19.pdf?ua=1

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I've never heard of such a myth.

Where did anyone say they should ?

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It’s because I know the answer, and so do you, Hugh. No need to provide links when everyone knows the answer - in this case, that countries all have their own rules when it comes to counting Covid deaths, and this makes comparisons impossible.

https://www.who.int/data/stories/the...cess-mortality

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Strange - jonbxx’s post two posts above your proves that statement not to be congruent with actuality…

It shows that the U.K., USA, Canada, all of Europe, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries are using the same system…

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If you read it, there is a clear link between respiratory disease and Covid, and I accept that everyone works on the same basis in terms of that. But I was answering a post that suggested we should register deaths as Covid if they were so infected but died due to diabetes.

I agree that sounds sensible, but my question was, do other countries do that? This document does not cover such a example.

Additionally, during the first wave, it was reported that some countries (I think one of them was Spain from memory) were only counting hospital deaths. I assume not only that this has now been put right, but also deaths in the community and in care homes during that period were added to the figures retrospectively.

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BOOM! Headshot. Proceed to the next level.

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I’m pretty sure the families of the 2,000 who died that week probably don’t feel like celebrating…

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I'm sure they didn't St Sanctimonious Hugh of the Cable Forum, I don't know any of them, they're probably not members of this site, they most likely wont read that post. That post that wasn't directed at any of them but rather the exchange between Chris and Mr Mistoffelees.

Hope that helps.

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Rather be seen as sanctimonious than sociopathic…

One doesn't need to personally know someone to have empathy for their plight.

ymmv

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So, to use your logic, we should never ever laugh, have fun or party ever again because there are always others who are sad.

Sorry, Hugh, you are on your own.

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He didn't say that or even imply it.


Not at all.

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If you're going to try and label me, try and do it right.

A post that I found amusing because one member (mrmistoffeelees) had forecasted many, many more deaths, based on no evidence, and in the process trying to insult the other member (Chris) .

Chris then posts factually that he was right and toffeelees was wrong, and I found that funny commented on it.

Nothing EXTREMELY ANTISOCIAL about that? N'est pas?

You decide to weigh in with you morally superior view, when my post wasn't even aimed at the people who had died

So in short, I am not a sociopath, but you are without a shadow of a doubt a sanctimonious bore.

Hope that helps

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No, but according to Hugh, humour cannot be found in tragedy and to that:

1. yes it can.

2. that isn't even what I was doing, I wasn't even commenting on COVID or the deaths because of it. But Hugh is so eager nowadays to attack, he couldn't wait to jump in.