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I now have reason to believe I married it :dozey: :erm:

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Ouch, :D

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Australian Deputy PM’s view of the U.K.-Oz trade deal.

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status...340005379?s=21

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No different to the EU/USA/Canada etc then . . . apart from distance :p:

Anyway, we will see how it goes. If people buy it they'll send it . . and people will buy it because supermarket chains will price it to sell ;)

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Australian politician bigs up his party’s trade deal on Australian TV for the benefit of Australian voters. Hold the front page ...

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We have the Euros uniting us and Eurovision too...ok, maybe not the latter but Australia don't deserve a deal after nill-pointing us as well! :D

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It's all good banter whenever the nations play sport so that's unifying. Would love Wales do well after England but it's really Italy's to lose.

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I like goat for meat curries but do tend to like chicken as it's lighter.
Hogart is nice too being between lamb and mutton. It's good to buy from a butcher with a saw so you can get small pieces with bone in, shoulder is probably top.



Thing is lamb/hogart/mutton varies depending on what the critters eat and since it's mostly outside they eat plants local to their location so source is important and variation gives a nice selection of flavour.

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Sorry, but wrong......

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...h#post35981268

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It's fairly obvious to anyone who possesses more than half a brain cell that this would occur, based on the premise in my post that the EU's first responsibility is to protect itself.

However, (and as I've stated many times) I still believe that despite the EU's many faults we would have been better of staying. Nowhere at any time did i state that the only reason we should stay would be because we would be punished otherwise, stop twisting words.

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I don’t know if you’ve been to Northern Ireland recently, but you don’t have to spend much time there to realise that Varadkar is right (even a broken clock is right twice a day). Stormont as a devolved assembly within RoI is no more strange an idea as its present status within the UK. And despite the British identity of the (narrow) majority of its inhabitants, stepping into Northern Ireland is not the same experience as hopping between any of the other home nations. It is already a very different entity, and exuberant expressions of Britishness by the unionist population really only serve to underline the fact.

Partition was a pragmatic solution to a real problem, but it was a solution driven by the mindset of its time. Nobody would come up with such a solution today. Ireland is Ireland, and the different identities of its people are best given space within Ireland.

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North & South becoming 'one nation' would sort a lot of the current issues, and probably remove quite a few (brexit related) future ones.

Any chance of it getting done this weekend? :D

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Varadkar is an Anglophobe, no doubt about it. He has proposed a good solution for the wrong reasons. Broken clock. ;)

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Does anyone know where I might purchase a passport?

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Yes there's a thread on it, get in quick though or it'll be gone


To late, hope his details are passed on to the authorities though

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Or whoever succeeds him…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57521158

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I think it will be when, not if, unfortunately.

Prepare for a ‘no deal’, chaps!

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Sadly no to either.

The island of Ireland would still be in the European single market and exports from GB would need to be meet Single Market rules eg processed meats must be frozen unless veterinary equivalence has been agreed.

What would sort out a lot of the current issues will understandably never happen - that the Republic of Ireland leaves the EU and joins the UK single market.

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I was hoping it would be the other way round, both piss off back to the EU and let them sort it out while we laugh :D

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Sorry, no fun for you today… ;)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...5227806c47692a Your prediction rate appears consistent… :D

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No surprise that they agreed to an extension. Britain needs to take advantage of this extension to sort out veterinary equivalence. The electorate in Chesham and Amersham were wise enough to see through BoJo's patriotic bluster in place of sensible negotiation.

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From the Times link ....
Well done to all the overpaid bureaucrats that have decided to steal my idea from a week ago ;)

Life really is so simple sometimes

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Interference?

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Looks like that Australian meant may come in handy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243

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Good opportunity for cheap American chicken producers.

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How much cheaper do you need a chicken to be?

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Already answered by Hugh earlier in this thread should you care to read.

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Fantastic news about the shortage of 'lower-skilled jobs' in the meat/poultry industry.

This means there are work places and opportunities available for all the British dole scrounging druggies that are 'really really looking for work guv, but there isn't any 'cos all the foreigners are doing em, innit'

Time for the Govt. to get these people working . . or no more benefits :Yes:

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As low as it can go, why would i want to pay more than i need too:shrug:

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A very simplistic way of looking at it....

Consider the following.

Most processing plants operate in out of town areas.

Most 'dole scrounging druggies' live in centralised urban environments.

Most 'dole scrounging druggies' don't have cars & therefore rely on public transport.

Public transport doesn't run services either
1) At the time that people need to start their shifts
or
2) Near enough to processing sites for people to get to.

The processing plants in and around my local area don't offer a company owned bus service.

Whilst I'm all for people who are able to work actually working, let's set about the issue with a degree of realism as to what can be achieved rather than spaffing sun-esque gibberish.

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You'll love chicken in a can !

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Well, enjoy !

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Damn I forgot that the low skilled, low paid foreign workers all have country estates and drive Range Rovers. Not one of them have I seen living in bedsits/multiple occupancy and car sharing to get to work. I really must try harder eh :rolleyes:

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You're being puerile, a lot of foreign workers will live in relative proximity as you state and may well split the cost of a taxi.

Whilst i wish it was as simple as you make it out to be, unfortunately, it's not.

So, yes, please do try harder.

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You know nothing . . .

You've never worked in a factory, probably never set foot inside one.

Probably an office worker, all spread sheets and no idea of what goes on outside the air conditioned world you inhabit :p:

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I'm an 'office worker' now and my home office doesn't have air conditioning, but in my younger years worked in manufacturing environments.

BTW Dahling do keep up. Spreadsheets are so passé ;)

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Is there an ignore feature on here?

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Are you guys eating cat food again? :D

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We have a Dalmatian, not a cat... :)

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So it's marrow bone jelly. :D

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That's what happens when you make the political decision to try and make a profit out of what should be a public service :mad:.

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Yup

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Please don’t post paywalled links unless you’re also going to post enough of a quote for the rest of us to work with.

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Meh, the Audiovisual Media Services Directive sets quotas for how much EU sourced Video on Demand media should be present in an effort to preserve the cultural identity of member states and promote domestic media production. As we voted to leave, we no longer fall under the Audiovisual Media Services Directive so UK sourced media falls in to the same category as US based media.

Just a consequence of leaving the Single Market. Difficult to get too excited...

Only for video on demand mind you, For broadcast, different rules apply (European Convention on Transfrontier Television)
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Explainer here from 2017 - https://mediawrites.law/translation-...er-television/

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It's what you voted for Seph. :confused:

In simple terms. The UK has left the EU. British content is likely to no longer qualify as European content for the purposes of the quotas that EU broadcasters have to abide by after a future review scheduled in 2024.
Brexit has been described as a slowly deflating tyre and this type of thing supports that description and also flags a potential reduction in our soft power.

It would be good if the UK could negotiate on this issue but I suspect we might just see more English language content with British actors made in Ireland and elsewhere in the EU.

Non-paywalled links here:
Original exclusive article from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-shown-brexit

Subsequent articles:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...it-1234971245/
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...adcast-quotas/

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Oh so true. What's changed in UK output that it is now creaturely alien to the EU?

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Other industries besides fishing, agriculture and broadcasting are starting to face Brexit reality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57555608

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/g...up-21-05-2021/

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COVID played a very large part.

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No one's denying that Covid was a factor.

However Mr Moore said Brexit was "definitely the biggest" factor behind staff shortages,

I would expect him to know his sector better than us.

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It's not the output that's changed, it's the fact that we're not an EU member so may not qualify from 2024.

A bit like the oft-quoted metaphor about expecting to play on a golf course after having cancelled your membership.

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I’m not sure what all the hand-wringing is about here. Uncontrolled mass immigration might have brought about a golden age for sectors that thrive on the low wage environment you can only get from severe over-supply of labour but that is not good in the long term for the British labour force.

Brexit is not a slowly-deflating tyre - it’s cold turkey, breaking the hospitality industry’s addiction to an endless supply of cheap labour that’s prepared to put up with crap working conditions because they don’t intend to stick around for long. There are already encouraging signs of change in the BBC version of the report - restaurateurs realising they’re going to have to improve pay. It’s not enough though. Unpredictable hours, excessive use of part-time staff and all the other stuff you can only get away with when you know high staff turnover isn’t a real problem ... it all has to go. There’s a long road ahead, but there are immense opportunities here for owners who are prepared to invest in stable, well-trained and remunerated jobs. Meanwhile, those who will only obsess over where they’re getting their next fix of cheap, super-flexible (and exploitable) workers from, are going to land up in trouble.

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It's not hypocritical to accept that British content is unlikely to count as European content for the purposes of EU quotas, as we've actually left the EU. It's called facing up to reality and moving on. Sorry, Seph, but that's what you need to do.

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Why do you seem to think we have some god given right to retain the benefits that came as part of our membership of the EU when we're no longer members ?

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Fair comment, i actually i believe that most of the issues in the hospitality trade are originating from Covid as opposed to Brexit, I think furlough has caused many to question if they want to continue working in the conditions you've described above.

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Do this rule only apply to the UK ? or does it apply to other non EU members?

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It's not punishment it's what you and 52% of the UK voted for. You're playing victim mode. If you care so strongly about UK content not being regarded the same as EU content then you should expend your energy in getting the UK to rejoin the EU.

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You would think so given the bleating by the Telegraph but no, it applies to any country outside the EU. The UK currently qualifies as it's on a list but this list will be reviewed in 2024. It is likely not to as it has left the EU.

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Again, I’m not sure what the problem is here. The single market is the single biggest protectionist operation on the planet. There are benefits to trading within it, but for a major world economy with global connections and a deeply embedded international outlook, those benefits may well be eclipsed by the restrictions that come with it. That was one of the calculations inherent in any intelligent approach to the referendum vote. I, and many others in the oldest Brexiteer constituency (that which took form after Thatcher’s famous Bruges speech) long believed that in the round, it was not in the UK’s interest to remain tied to the single market. No single example of disadvantage brought about by our exit from the bloc changes the overall calculus.

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Indeed

https://cde.news/brexit-drives-up-wa...free-movement/

Should be cause of celebration, I can't believe Andrew didn't pick this up from a week ago. No doubt the MSM conveniently buried it.

But now, hopefully sectors, will realise that they're going to have to pay decent wages that will attract domestic workers.

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So, we agree, Sephi is attempting to make something out of nothing.

Fab, that's that cleared up then

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Because they're not...we left, we now play by the rules of not being members and also the treaties that we agreed too.

Buckle up, because there will be plenty more of this to come.

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Yes, I think Seph is over-egging the pudding here. Even when we were inside the single market, France’s language promotion rules limited the opportunities for English-language content to get broadcast on French media. Once we’re outside these arrangements, Netflix will find a way round it - they’re driven by viewer demand so they’re not going to stop providing desired content to European audiences just because of quota rules. As a minimum they can simply stuff their catalogue with cheap Euro-crud to keep the proportion within the prescribed limits.

In practice a lot of Netflix’s English language content is made in Eastern Europe already because the tax breaks are attractive and there are much larger areas of unspoiled wilderness, plus towns and villages whose architecture lends itself to period dramas and young adult fantasy. And, not to turn this into another TV license thread, but the the BBC’s funding model does ensure there are many more opportunities for domestic commissions than the size of our media market would be on purely commercial terms.

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Not hypocrisy at all. The directive is designed to (amongst other things) preserve the cultural identity of member states. We are not a member state, therefore the Directive no longer applies. Not really sure what the confusion is here unless you wanted to keep the good EU bits and not the bad bits (French bits it seems)

Anyway, British media companies should be exploring growth opportunities further afield, just like our farmers, fishermen, etc.

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You've fallen for the Telegraph's propaganda, Seph. An honest Brexiter would acknowledge we lose out a bit on broadcasting but look at all that cheap Ozzie Shiraz!

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In what way has the EU treated us differently from any other third nation, trade deals notwithstanding? Do you feel that the EU is being exceptionally nasty to the UK or just showing the general levels of nastiness to third countries?

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I've condemned the EU when it's been at fault eg AstraZeneca situation and I'm no fan of Macron, to put it mildly!
It would be easier for me to condemn or defend it all the time, but I try to focus on the facts not the factions.
I certainly don't play the victim card for the UK and don't advocate such an approach. We a third country now and need to take the rough with the smooth.

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Seph ... you really need to wind it in a bit. It’s a special kind of megalomania that perceives personal slights around every corner. There are plenty of things the EU has done directly with the UK in mind, but this isn’t one of them. The single market is a protectionist construct. Its rules will always advantage itself at the cost of third parties. If you didn’t understand that, you should have voted to remain. ;)

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An excellent post there, Chris, if you don’t mind me saying!

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I'm not defending the EU, I'm pointing out that this is less the EU being nasty to us and more the consequence of our status now being that of a third country.

I'm not the only person on this thread to point this out so if you don't like my answer, please read Chris's or jonbxx's answers instead.

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But we are a third country now, no different from any other third country.

Somehow, when it comes down do it, it seems that those who voted leave seem to be less happy than those who voted remain.

It's not apologising for the EU accepting that we left EU institutions. It's apologising for the EU by asking our country to do what it promised in international agreements. It's not apologising for the EU to accept that other nations might still want to be a member, it's accepting their sovereignty.

We just have get on with things, accept what's happened and do our best as a reasonably large economy but not the biggest next door to a big economy.

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You've proven my earlier post with this sentence.

'We are unique in having been fully aligned with them on our departure.'

Again, you seem to think we should receive special treatment because we were once members.

membership or lack thereof is the defining factor, not alignment.

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Was thinking last night that both sides are also dealing with a global pandemic so it would be good to put aside the tantrums of details in agreements over minutia in trade (processed/chilled meats in NI) and deal with the big problem.
It really isn't likely that we will use the Irish situation as a conduit for dodgy stuff into the EU or the other way round.


Or is it more that individual countries are dealing with Covid so the EU can still focus on all the trade bits and expect the UK government to have all their focus on both.

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If the pandemic should have been prioritised above Brexit then the EU offered to extend Brexit for a year. Did you agree with a 12-month extension then?

On chilled meats, the EU granted a six-month extension until the end of this month and is likely to offer another extension. A normal solution would be veterinary equivalence but the UK has declined this solution. Hopefully something can be sorted out but trust in the UK has been weakened by threats of not honouring the agreement. Whilst the EU's not been perfect either, the UK signed up to this deal. As many said at the time, act in haste, repent at leisure.

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Agreed, seems to be a case of British exceptionalism lingering there.

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Why on earth should the EU be allowed to dictate what we can and cannot move between parts of the UK. Just obscene. That is the exceptionalism. As with so many other things, it wouldn't be allowed in any other country, other than the UK.

Protecting their single market is just nonsense, especially when they insist on being able to ship freely from the EU via Ireland, thereby bypassing all the rules and regulations they expect NI to adhere to, and the UK single market which the EU agreed to recognise.:mad:
Very little was detailed in the agreement, other than on many issues that the Joint Committee would have to specify the details.

Even the EUs own rules allow the presence of non-EU regulation items in EU countries. It's only IF it becomes available on the EU market it becomes an EU issue. Countries ship items into the EU that don't meet EU regulations. When they are discovered they are removed from sale. That is a matter for the EU or whatever country.

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It's not the EU Single Market it's the European Single Market as it also includes non-EU countries like Norway. It was your leader Boris Johnson who wanted this arrangement and not surprisingly I don't recall you criticising him or it at the time.

I'm not sure what you mean about shipping freely from the EU via Ireland as the Republic is in the EU. :confused:

Northern Ireland was flagged by many as a problem that would occur with the UK leaving the EU and the Republic remaining in it and this imperfect work-around has occurred as a consequence.

What would you pragmatically negotiate in its place?

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Nothing needing to negotiate. Unfettered movement within the UK. What is so complicated about that?


Under WTO rules, different customs rules between countries(eg GB and NI) means they are separate customs territories, therefore single customs territory means single set of customs rules between GB and NI.

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So, if the above it true, why isn't Boris threatening and subsequently instigating court action against the EU? Why did he request an extension instead?

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So what parts of the quoted sections are not true?

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Then as i said if that's the case, why isn't the UK/Boris taking legal action against the EU ? Why have they asked for an extension?

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Still looking for an answer to this nomadking. Perhaps someone else could explain why we haven't taken legal action?

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I can explain why he's not answering - he's not logged into the site ;)

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Ah Mr. Smurf (belated happy birthday wishes btw) perhaps you could explain as to why we're not taking the EU to court?

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We are just too nice.

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Yep, that's got to be it ! ;)

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Just goes back to the argument during the negotiations, we don't want a border in the Irish Sea, and also we're not going to impose a border on Ireland. The Irish don't want a border on Ireland so leave it up to Brussels to impose the border if they so demand.