Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36060889)

Yup. A store of covid vaccine, especially the world’s first and so far only properly approved covid vaccine, is the very definition of a high-profile target. Every wingnut on the planet would likely want to do something to it, and keeping the location secret protects it against the ones who might have sufficient motivation and resources to try.

(Russian state actors would be most likely to have both motive and resources for a bit of basic sabotage. The narrative of incompetence in the Western response would be domestically useful, especially as they’re apparently taking big risks with an inadequately tested vaccine of their own in order to claim first place).

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060827)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1607021392

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55162318



"Following the science"??

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36060906)

£100k of orders seems like a pretty low bar for isolation exemption!

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060908)

"Must result in a deal".

Surely that's not an essential journey if the negotiations are that far on?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36060909)

Seems like it's just for deal-signing ceremonies.

I wonder if Barnier's team qualify for this criteria? :D

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060910)

Is trade with the EU worth 100K

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060911)

£294 billion - only 2,940,000 times that...

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36060902)

No surprise there. This government has a history of over announcing and under delivering.

10 million jabbed by Easter more likely. :erm:

Expect at least 6 more months of lockdowns and tiers. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060893)

COVID news live – latest UK updates: UK to get 'some millions' of Pfizer vaccine doses by end of year, says business secretary
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-new...eaths-12149698

Looks like 10 million doses by xmas has gone out the window.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36060914)

It's being made in Belgium, so why is the UK to blame for possibly not having 10m doses?
2 other vaccines are at the stage of waiting for approval.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060915)

who said the UK was to blame?

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060893)

COVID news live – latest UK updates: UK to get 'some millions' of Pfizer vaccine doses by end of year, says business secretary
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-new...eaths-12149698

Looks like 10 million doses by xmas has gone out the window.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36060902)

No surprise there. This government has a history of over announcing and under delivering.

10 million jabbed by Easter more likely. :erm:

Expect at least 6 more months of lockdowns and tiers. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060917)

I can see where heero blamed the gov but i can't see where i apportioned blame to anyone.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36060918)

Well, heero obviously also did.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36060918)

Well, heero obviously also did.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36060938)

I wasn't blaming El Gov. for the delay, just the overoptimistic forecasts of delivery as they did with the various testing regimes that still are woefully short of the predicted degree of testing.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36060938)

I wasn't blaming El Gov. for the delay, just the overoptimistic forecasts of delivery as they did with the various testing regimes that still are woefully short of the predicted degree of testing.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060941)

Not seeking to apportion blame but is the problem not that even if you got handed 10m doses of the Pfizer vaccine it'd be immensely challenging to distribute because of the temperature issue?

Other vaccines could move more readily through established distribution channels as with the seasonal flu vaccine.

It is, however, important that the messaging is realistic and levels with people.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060912)

Some how i gust knew it would be you.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060949)

:tu:

Glad I could be of assistance. :)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36060955)

It's very reassuring to know that you're googling everything I post.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36060992)

Apparently our local area has been declared 'suppressed' of coronavirus.
This is because we had less than 3 cases reported in the previous week (Nov 20 - 27).

We have almost the lowest rate per 100,000 in all of Nottinghamshire. :cool:

So of course, we are in T3. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36061244)

Quite disappointed the Oxford Vaccine seems to have been put on hold in favor of others. This seemed like the best choice in my opinion and many doctors think the same too.

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36061244)

Quite disappointed the Oxford Vaccine seems to have been put on hold in favor of others. This seemed like the best choice in my opinion and many doctors think the same too.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061327)

So it begins ... those who do pub quizzes take note, Mrs Keenan’s name will be required of you as soon as you’re allowed back in your local. Which may not be too long away now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55227325

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061332)

Wouldn't the people who were vaccinated first have been the ones taking part in the trials?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061332)

Wouldn't the people who were vaccinated first have been the ones taking part in the trials?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061382)

Meanwhile, the Oxford vaccine is found to be “safe and effective” in peer review.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422

Further tests are ongoing to increase confidence in the data that suggests a half dose followed by a full dose results in 90% efficacy. They’re concerned that the small sample of people given the half dose were all under 55 years old and might have been expected to show a stronger immune response regardless.

Nonetheless the vaccine has already been put forward for emergency approval.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061386)

Plus it’s only £3 a jab. It’s an absolute gift to the large parts of the world where a high tech, £15-£25-a-go vaccine complete with massive cryogenic storage requirements simply won’t fly.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061392)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061398)

The Yanks don’t need a vaccine, they’ve got Kenneth Copeland.



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(With added Andre Antunes, obvs) :D

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36061458)

People with severe allergic reactions warned not to have the vaccine after two reports of adverse reactions.

Source: independent ( i think, flashed up on my phone)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36061458)

People with severe allergic reactions warned not to have the vaccine after two reports of adverse reactions.

Source: independent ( i think, flashed up on my phone)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36061462)

Here is another source.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/w...s-b229762.html

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36061395)

Not sure what that does. Whatever orders are placed are going to those who ordered them.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36061469)

Presumably, because people who do have a history of allergic relations to vaccines don't go to trials of a new vaccine. Apparently, the licence itself states that it should not be given to anyone who has had a previous allergy to vaccines so unless further problems crop up this won't be a big issue for the vaccine roll out.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36061475)

'The UK’s drug regulator says anyone with a history of “significant” allergic reactions to food, medicine or vaccines should not currently receive the jab'


Somewhat different from the licence, no?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36061475)

'The UK’s drug regulator says anyone with a history of “significant” allergic reactions to food, medicine or vaccines should not currently receive the jab'


Somewhat different from the licence, no?

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36060717)

Can vegans talk it?


IIRC vaccines use chicken eggs to grow it.


Plus all those idiots who say it for a chip to track us, yet they walk around with a mobile phone in their pocket, and some say even if you turn it off it is still on in the background and that is they way "agencies" turn it back on.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36061499)

Oh look, something we didn't already know.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36061499)

Oh look, something we didn't already know.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36061506)

I wonder how many of these experts are teetotal? :scratch:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061509)

South Korea.
Thailand
Just takes one infected person to infect dozens of others.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36061512)

I wonder how many of them have a life outside work.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36061517)

This has what relation to curfews?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061518)

I'd suggest many of them are simply algorithms running on outdated computers, whirring away in a dark corner of some long forgotten office and churning out remedies and solutions a witch doctor would be proud of ;)

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061522)

Outbreaks as a result of not having a curfew.
Don't see how a mass of evidence either way, could be presented, as this is a new situation.
Plus in both instances, just one infected person is blamed. Doesn't take much.
More enough people currently behaving like idiots when sober, without bringing alcohol into it.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36061481)

l am allergic to Penicillin and one other antibiotic, does that count me out?.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36061525)

So the virus knows what time it is and won't infect you before 10.00pm but will at 10.01.

In the 2 instances you quoted there was no curfew introduced.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061528)

Exactly, and outbreaks occurred as a result.

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36061526)

Looking at the formulation on page 9 here - https://assets.publishing.service.go...fessionals.pdf there's no antibiotic present.

The 'TLDR' answer is that there just seems to be some weird fats, some conjugated with inert polymers which form the 'shell' of the active vaccine, the mRNA itself and some benign salts and sugars which we have in our bodies anyway.

If it's the fats which are causing the issue, that's a big problem as they are key for the mRNA delivery in to the cell. That said, if the reactions were common, they would be picked up during clinical trials.

What's missing from all the headlines is what were these two people affected allergic to. If they are clinical staff, my bet would be latex...

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061556)

There will always be side effects for some people, that's the same with any drug/vaccine.

Its listed as a rare side effect on the Flu Jab I had a few days ago.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061569)

Over 500 died again in the UK today

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061569)

Any reaction has got to be balanced the risks if you get Covid. No doubt some idiots will refuse take it. It could be a bit like natural selection when they end up getting the virus.

Over 500 died again in the UK today . Early days but none have died so far from the vaccine.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061574)

I think you’ll find all of them were dying for the first time.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061574)

I think you’ll find all of them were dying for the first time.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36061570)

Another 500 deaths were “reported” today, they didn’t all die today.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36061585)

Clutching at straws still, I see.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061590)

Did those 500 die today or not ?

It's a simple enough question.
If the answer is no, then he is correct.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061590)

Did those 500 die today or not ?

It's a simple enough question.
If the answer is no, then he is correct.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061607)

Context is everything here.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36061645)

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36061645)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules


British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061629)

I'll agree with that, however deaths for any reason 28 days after a positive test seems a fudge of Covid statistics to me.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061665)

No problem . . . obviously to keep the virus from spreading there will be no travel to the UK from any EU country either . . oh hang on, that won't go down well :D

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061607)

Context is everything here.

My understanding is Pierre is sceptical of the benefits of lockdown. We're all entitled to our opinions as long as we can back them up with evidence.

With death rates apparently rising since the end of lockdown, it could be perceived that Pierre is criticising Mr K's imperfect phrasing of deaths because that evidence contradicts his opinion.

I hope that the deaths reported today reduce down substantially and Pierre is right.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36061918)

Er, no, I was just correcting the statement. Otherwise people may have incorrectly thought that 500 had died in one, when the daily death tolls have never reached that figure. It might unnecessarily frighten some poeople!

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36061921)

Because the 470 or so it’s reached a few times (by date of death) is much more comforting?

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061929)

Well you would hope they planned for that. :)