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John Mann says more than nine Labour MPs will vote for Johnson's deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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Judges REJECT Remainers' demand for urgent legal challenge against Boris Johnson

COURT OF APPEAL judges have rejected Liberty’s bid for an urgent hearing against Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

The human rights group brought the case before the court in an attempt to ensure the Government complied with the Benn Act, the law that forces Boris Johnson to request an extension if a deal has not been passed by October 19 - tomorrow. Lawyers for the civil rights organisation argued that is legal challenge, brought to ensure Mr Johnson "acts within the law", should be heard immediately. But the judges rejected their application and Lord Burnett said the full reasons for their decision will be given in writing at a later date.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...enn-Act-latest

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Mark Francois on the way into Downing Street. Not sure my sides will be able to take it if the press catch him on the way out.

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I should hope so. Putting the deal before parliament was part of the Benn act, to try to stop that happening through legal means was doomed to fail.

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That's a different case isn't it?

Either way that case, the one to stop the deal being put to Parliament is a joke. The point of previous successful court actions have been to maintain the power of Parliament either by ensuring they had to pass Article 50 or stopping Johnson suspending it for a long amount of time. No merit at all in trying to use the courts to subvert Parliament.

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No, that's the case to be submitted today. A letter from Brecow was the nail in the coffin for it.

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Ohh err, 2 Govt ministers on 'resignation watch'.....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...u-summit-vote/

Not surprising really this deal is going to make us £800 worse off each.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/upl...-proposals.pdf

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If two government ministers did resign and that is a very big if then the numbers more then likely won't add up when it comes to the vote.

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Paywall article from the Telegraph. Really?

Experts again failing to realise its just a withdrawl agreement and has nothing to do with any future DEAL we may reach with the EU.

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Those expelled from the party expected to vote against in the “high single figures”.

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Could watch all this tomorrow, or go out watch an important FA Cup match. Think I've decided ;)

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I spend that every month on petrol.

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Is this yours?

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:D

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Other than Hammond, Grieve and probably Stewart I can’t think of that many.

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Bless...

https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/sta...764225536?s=21

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Thank you for your annual contribution to the government’s tax revenues of approx. £6,000 from your petrol purchases - much appreciated.

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MPs seemingly making a hash of it all over again by only offering a second referendum vs no deal, rather than against the deal.

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Remainers' desperate bid to block Boris Johnson's Brexit deal REJECTED by Scottish court



Jo Maugham QC lodged a petition at Scotland’s highest civil court on Thursday shortly after the prime minister announced he had agreed a fresh deal with the European Union.

He had argued the deal was “illegal” because it would see Northern Ireland form part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...augham-eu-deal

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He’ll vote for it.

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I think so too, he's relaxed and smiling not boiling over like he normally is.

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He’s just a blowhard with delusions of grandeur that his role within the ERG in a hung Parliament has fed. The ride is almost over and he is milking it a bit longer

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No he's a blowhard with delusions of his Grandad.;)

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Was his grandad a furriner, with Mini-Mark’s surname being ‘Francois’ and his middle name ‘Gino’?

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Brexit LIVE: Boris Johnson will postpone historic Brexit vote – if Letwin amendment passes



BORIS JOHNSON will pull the plug on MPs voting on his Brexit deal during today's historic sitting in Parliament if an amendment requiring the Prime Minister to ask EU leaders for an extension is passed this morning.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...arliament-vote

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ERG fully backs Boris withdrawal deal.

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At the moment there appears to be the first slivers of doubt that the Letwin amendment will pass. If it doesn’t, then we will get the substantive vote later today. If the Letwin amendment is passed, word from the whips is that Boris will simply call off the main vote, and start afresh next week.

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[QUOTE=Chris;36014393]At the moment there appears to be the first slivers of doubt that the Letwin amendment will pass. If it doesn’t, then we will get the substantive vote later today. If the Letwin amendment is passed, word from the whips is that Boris will simply call off the main vote, and start afresh next week.[/QUOTE]

As reported here in the times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...vote-8bk8l9g7w

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I think this is a trick. Vote though the bill, then vote down the subsequent legislation.

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Anyway happy SUPER SATURDAY everyone. Can’t wait for the highlights

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Letwin bill passes.

I don’t like the constant brinkmanship tbh. I think Parliament needs to vote for a deal or vote for a referendum on the deal or an election. This can’t go on.

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Boris Johnson's reply.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-live-news

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Interestingly we know the minimum votes this deal has is 306. We also know a handful of those who voted for the Letwin amendment will vote for the deal, they were the ones who genuinely distrusting of Johnson, so an actual deal might be close?

Although I think some within the ERG were planning to vote for the deal then vote against the rest to get No Deal so,..

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This is how the MP's voted.

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com...byMember=false

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Get on with it.

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Amongst those who voted for the Letwin amendment are MPs who will vote with the Government for Boris's deal. These include the renegade Conservative MPs who have had the whip removed and a handful of Labour MPs, which should just about get the Withdrawal Bill over the line.

I will be very interested to see how Boris will avoid the provisions of the Surrender Bill. That's going to be very interesting, although he actually said that the Benn bill does not require him to 'negotiate' a delay.

So maybe he will present the letter together with additional documentation to indicate the Government's position on the matter and not follow it up. The EU will be aware already that the Government has no intention of nominating a commissioner, which will gum up the works, as well as other plans to disrupt the EU if they choose to grant the extension.

Despite the best efforts of his detractors, I think Boris has won. We leave on 31 October.

You heard it here first. Well, -ish.:D

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He didn't seem like much of a winner, he could be in jail this time next week ! ;)

If he is trying to 'win', you can be sure it's only for himself. A very disunited kingdom will be the result, in which we'll all end up poorer.

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Just make it end.

We’ve gone through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole, Narnia would be a blessed relief. We are now living within a Salvador Dali painting.

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Thing is, it won't be the end will it ? This was meant to be the easy bit, the next bit, agreeing a trade deal, could drag on for years. Enjoy, I'm sure it's all worth it !

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This is better Han any recent box set I have downloaded.

PM sends unsigned letter, accompanied with another letter telling them not to grant an extension.

Putting the EU in a very awkward position. They have a generic letter from no-one asking for a delay, and s signed letter from a member state’s leader asking them not to acquiesce to the former non-personalised letter.

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They'll grant a delay anyway signed, or not. The courts will not be amused with his antics.

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The EU deals with the Government and not Parliament so in theory they should respect the letter from Boris Johnson more. But his letter doesn't actively ask them to reject, not threaten consequences should they grant it. It could just be another little stunt to obscure the legal fact the letter has been sent.

Or maybe it'll work. I don't know.

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Er, I think you are forgetting that the electorate voted to leave. Do keep up, Mr K! :D

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No, it really won't. The electorate will return Boris with a majority because he made it all end and we will no longer have to worry about parliament trying to thwart the government's every move.

The trade deal will be a piece of cake compared to what we have been through.

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No, they really won't! What would be the point?

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I am getting sick and tired of this awful Brexit crap.
Joker Boris, is still planning on leaving the EU.
But, we have another joker in Jeremy just joining the queue.
Do you know what, l think all MPs are a joke.
Our tax money is paying a load of prats to mess about with our lives

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I see you’re still peddling the bullshit about the being poorer bit. Do give it a rest FFS. :dozey:

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Pretty much all the analysis points that way, I'm afraid, Mick. But it's an acceptable position to say that there's more to life than money and that a reduction in economic growth is outweighed by less tangible benefits.

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Brexit is what the electorate voted for. Why do you have a problem with what Boris is trying to achieve? Are you an anarchist? Communist? Or what?

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Analysis? Is that what you call it? Where is the analysis about the opportunities that Brexit presents?

As I have said many times before, these 'expert' forecasts are only constructed on the negatives. They are absolutely worthless in determining the outcome of Brexit.

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Worse he's a leaver.... :)

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Arthur is entitled to his view as is everybody else on here so don't try to belittle him just because he does not share your self-righteous opinions.

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I have a sneaky suspicion that World Leaders and members of the EU Council don't read this forum.

I have no doubt however, that they do follow the news quite closely - especially political news.

In which case they should all know by now that Boris doesn't want an extension, but is being forced into sending a letter regarding one.

Which in some way makes me wonder why they should be bothered negotiating at all if everything keeps getting turned on its head by the opposing parties and law courts

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I agree with that :tu:

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Boris Johnson sends the EU THREE letters: One (not signed by him) asks to delay Brexit beyond Oct 31, the second makes clear the first is from Parliament - not the Government, and the third urges Brussels NOT to grant an extension




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-delay.html

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Wrong, they include forecasts of additional trade we may get as a result of Brexit. But we've done this argument to death before and I accept that you believe all civil servants and advisers to the UK Government, CBI, Chambers of Commerce and Conservative Party have secretly conspired together.

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There is room for different views on here,, isn't there Mick? If not, you might as well close the Current Affairs section down.

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There are different definitions of 'being poorer', they don't all apply to everybody.

One mention on here was of everybody being £800 a year poorer . . . that's about the cost of a decent mobile phone, a set of tyres on a 4 x 4, a weeks supply of heroin (probably), and a bottle of your average Brandy every week.

Poorer can also mean the loss of jobs & services, but that's been happening for many years anyway, progress doesn't necessarily mean things improve ;)

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I love how carefully crafted “his” letter is. Hope the Civil Servants and lawyers got overtime for pulling it together on a Saturday.

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I believe (could be wrong) that the letter is basically a 'copy' of the lawful statute passed . . . attempting to rip it apart means attacking the very thing they themselves passed


edit: aah maybe read your post wrongly, apologies if so . .

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I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it. :)

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Got ya :)

I reckon that letter will have been put together weeks ago ;)

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I imagine the phone calls will have made his meaning quite clear.

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It doesn't matter I don't think. We're distracted by the noise. In the end he has abided by the Benn bill and a request has been sent. Legally it seems not to matter at all that he didn't sign it or sent another letter saying he thinks it's a bad idea, he didn't even say don't grant us one.

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Indeed. It’s good optics for Boris going into a General Election.

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It hasn’t negated what Parliament intended. The EU have a valid extension request.

What they aren’t doing is making a decision yet. This is perhaps understandable as it allows Johnson the chance to keep pressure on Parliament to back his deal tomorrow or Tuesday. If they haven’t done so/refuse to do so the EU will grant the extension later this week.

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What I am saying is that there are far too many unmeasurables in assessing how business will react to their new freedoms. The forecasts are very speculative, formed by well meaning people one supposes, who are tasked with a challenge that is like pinning a jelly to the wall. There are far too many imponderables to put accurate figures to this.

It is comparatively straight forward to measure what we will lose, but assessing what we will gain is a forecaster's nightmare.

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If anything at all.

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I think he has abided by the request though and it seems the EU think they've got it too. All they're saying is 'we've received the request'. No one cares if it's signed or not because that's not a thing.

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A copy of the 2nd letter has been leaked online...

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Haha.

Entertainingly the "photocopy" isn't a copy of the schedule on the act at all. It's had formatting changes so someone still typed it out for Boris.

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I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?

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If they're not as good as the ones in place already, that we got by being part of the EU?

Who has more bargaining power - a very large chain of supermarkets, or a small local group of local shops?

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As pointed out, there's no indication that these will offset against loss of trade with the EU.

The fact there's trade doesn't mean we will be better off for it or that growth and wages will keep up with inflation in the long run.

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It's just possible OB, that a single country won't get as good deals as they had as part of a larger trading block. Schoolboy economics. Bozza and his Eton buddies probably studied Latin or something as useless instead.

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There is nothing different about your view though, you’ve regurgitated the same negative crap since, 2016! :rolleyes:

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One endeavours to maintain a certain continuity Mick ;) True, my view hasn't changed. I just meant a different one to yours, which also hasn't changed which is fair enough. However still room for both views, surely?

Some peoples views have changed though, it's been nearly 4 years. Maybe we should ask the question again, now we know what deal on offer? i.e. brino, the break up of the United Kingdom, and an economically poorer country. Not selling it to you, am I?

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Not at all and I’m not convinced we need to ask again. It wouldn’t bother me if we did, the way Remain Maniac MPs have been behaving and the EU itself, we’d win again, but we shouldn’t have to ask again. The original result should have been enacted by now.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...endment-would/

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This farce has gone on long enough.

This Parliament is impotent and not fit for purpose.

We need a 1 month extension, and a general election.

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The entire purpose of the photocopy and no signature was to create a red herring.

The real story that BoJo didn't want the media to focus on is that he has gone back on his word to leave on 31 October. And the red herring worked!
Indeed, the leave date of 31 October is now being downplayed on Government websites. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50117797

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https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

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Who said they won't be as good? They will be more relevant to our needs.

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This is what I mean about the remainers' mindset. They have convinced themselves and everyone else that there will be a major loss of trade with our EU neighbours.

Sure, we will lose a little, but most of our trade with the EU will remain pretty much as it is. New trade agreements that fit better with our own needs will surely overcome such minor loss and very much more. The only caveat I would make is that this will work best under a Conservative Government. Labour would have absolutely no idea how to manage these new opportunities.

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And the fact that we are the world's fifth largest economy does not even register in your thinking?

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It's certainly the case that a lot of those who voted remain now want to get on with Brexit. Where is your evidence that a significant number of Brexiteers have changed their minds? I have seen no credible reports on that, but even the BBC has reported on many occasions that most former remainers now want Brexit to happen.

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Which is totally irrelevant, doesn’t remove the issue of the current Speaker, breaking conventions and parliamentary procedures, a Remain Parliament blocking one of the largest Democratic results, so Pierre was correct in his assessment that we need a GE.

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It would bother me, to be frank. Many voters will decide not to participate in a second referendum, taking the view that they have already communicated their wishes in the biggest ever turnout in recent times.

If that happens, what is the Government going to do if there is a vote to remain but on a much lower turnout? It will be utterly meaningless and will not properly convey the mood of the country.

If that were to happen, the anger would only increase, and who knows where that will lead?

We've had the vote. It is now up to Parliament to implement it.

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Agreed.

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It's hardly a "remainers mindset" to point out the reality that the trade deals made with non-EU countries are an absolute unknown and any projections made on that basis we will be better off is entirely speculative. JRM himself said it could take fifty years! Who am I to argue with that?

I could equally say it's the mindset of leavers that we will be better to FF in the absence of any evidence. I suppose though, we didn't win two world wars to be told what to do by a kraut!

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And the fact that it is a tenth of the size of the EU’s doesn’t even register on your thinking?

Rochdale are the fifth biggest club in the Manchester area - it doesn’t help them that much when they play Liverpool... ;)

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And treats many of its poorer citizens with utter contempt and callousness in our wonderfully unfettered laissez faire economy....

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Well there's only one way to find that out isn't there? We have General elections over a similar timescale, and people change their minds then, as they have a right to do. The implications of Brexit are far bigger and much more long reaching than any General Election. In particular there are 3-4 years worth of new voters on the register, who this will affect most. Also now there's a deal on the table, we know exactly what we're voting for, not some lie painted on a bus.

It's boring me like everyone else, but the implications are too important, to 'just get it over with', because it won't, negotiating a trade deal will drag on for years.

I can guarantee I'll shut up on the issue if we vote again and accept this deal ;)

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After all this time, you still haven't got it..... The job of an MP is to do what THEY believe is in the countries best interests. It is NOT to act blindly on their constituents wishes

They are representatives, NOT delegates

There are a large amount of people who do not understand this fundamental part of politics

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That is a total pile of steaming bullshit. So enough of this “you still have not got it” argument crap.

Our best interest is to leave the EU as democratically decided. They were elected, most of them on the premise of fulfilling our wishes. We shouldn’t have to have lying, deceitful MPs, going against our instruction to leave the EU!

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Whilst the above is true, The MP's themselves voted overwhelmingly to have a referendum and promised to abide by the result

They then overwhelmingly voted to enact Article 50

THEY made those decisions, by large majorities.

If those decisions were wrong then what makes any further decisions by the same people any more correct?

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We have got it. We are however pointing out that in this specific instance, parliament polled the electorate’s wishes, and promised to act on the result. The referendum, uniquely, altered the normal relationship between MPs and voters.

Everything that has happened in the last couple of weeks confirms that parliament is not using its judgment to best implement these wishes, but simply attempting to override them.

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That Cameron promised to abide by the results of an "Advisory" referendum has been the problem all along.

Any referendum making such a promise should only be run as binding. Forcing every MP to support his comment has led us down this disastrous path.

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Oh I say, that's a bit harsh isn't it?

By 'poorer citizens', are you alluding to the unemployed? Those who some on here say can't be bothered to work, which is why we need immigration, which is why there's a housing shortage, which creates homeless people etc etc.

Or maybe it's those on zero hour contracts, or those with minimum education, or those . . . I don't know, how would you classify a person as 'poor' nowadays?

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Because you don't agree with something doesn't make it 'steaming bullshit' as you so eloquently put it.

What I have stated is fact even Chris below who i will often fervently disagree with accepts this.

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You might have, but others certainly haven't

This all comes back to the age old problem of there being no explicit narrative as to what 'leave' means.

A clear definition allows a clear vote.

This is MP's not knowing and being unable to agree as to what 'leave' means. However I will grant you that there are a proportion of MP's who will do anything to remain in the EU. Just as there are a proportion of MP"s who will do anything to ensure we have a 'Hard' Brexit.

Lets not forget if it were not for the ERG we would have been out by now.....

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* Yes it does.

You have stated absolutely no facts but your own opinions because you do not agree with the democratic decision taken in 2016 and while I respect Chris a great deal, it doesn't really matter what he accepts, unlike you, I have zero need to necessitate someone else in to my reasoning as though it is some kind of unilateral qualifier.

Is this another baseless fact?

Pretty sure all of the Labour Party, all of the Lib Dems except 1 or (illiberal undems) as I call them and SNP, 1 Green MP and various other Independents all voted against May's deal, as well. So surely it's down to all these as well ?

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I am sure it was you that said Brexit, including a Hard Brexit, had clear, compelling and coherent economic benefits? I am glad that you now recognise that it is a self evident leap into the abyss. What changed your mind?

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Oh no, some may have "got it", those who want Hard Brexit at all costs but many only think that have they have "got it". Many believe that this current phase is the end. In fact it is the end of the beginning. We will have years of this crap ahead of us:

Attachment 28111

You well know that the Letwin amendment was a sensible insurance policy to stop the ERG voting down the bills to enact the WA and so run down the clock to a Hard Brexit.

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Ok, here we go...

https://www.politics.co.uk/reference...itical-artiesp

https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../337/33706.htm note: this is from parliament itself not sure how much more proof you could ask for?

I can provide many many more, but, I'll ask you to provide one single solitary source that shows that a UK member of parliament is the delegate of their constituency.

My point (albeit made badly) that i made regarding the ERG is that had they not been so determined to pursue a hard brexit & that had they voted with Mays deal they had the numbers to ensure we would of left.

Source: any millions of news reports/political analysis

As always there's guilt on both sides, you can't implicitly say that 'remainers have prevented Brexit' because the ERG played a significant part in blocking. as it's not the Brexit that they want

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And how exactly is any WA of any sort, not a hard Brexit? The WA, according to EU law is only meant to be "transitional, and unambiguously limited in time". Once that limited in time, transition period is over, it's still supposedly a hard Brexit. The sole purpose of all these nonsense delaying tactics is to avoid Brexit altogether, or at least delay it enough for it to be hijacked even further.

Link
NB TWO agreements involved, but not necessarily required. The first being the WA, and the 2nd being in the future.

If MPs are that concerned about the country, while are so many of them supporting people like Corbyn and McDonnell?


Love to see all these tactics being allowed, if Scotland or Wales vote for independence. Imagine the uproar if they were even tried. All very one-sided, as always.

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What I have suggested is that the new trade deals and other measures such as free ports will transform our economy. I have always said that you cannot forecast with any degree of accuracy how much extra income we will get from all this. However, to twist that into postulating that we don't know whether we will benefit at all is a bit of a stretch, even by your standards.

The mere fact that we are presenting new opportunities of this kind to business is known to lead to a positive response. Just like reducing high taxation leads to more yield for the Inland Revenue. It is a known known.

Although some cannot seem to grasp the concept.

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What? Just in case of doubt, this comes from the Collins English dictionary:

‘If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stop attending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job.’

Can’t get much clearer than that, old chap.