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You're really not going to get a good night's sleep pondering this all night ! You lost me at the link to 'order-order'....

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The order-order info was lifted straight from a government report, "European Union Finances 2016: statement on the 2016 EU Budget and measures to counter fraud and financial mismanagement"
Link to pdf
It's on page 19.
Isn't an official HM government report considered proof?



The issue was raised on the allegations of Boris lying.

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Government expected to ask Queen to suspend parliament from mid-September.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...084061ab38dd7d

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...early-election

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Well of course he will. The problem with messing with conventions is that when one party starts doing it, they lose the moral high ground and the right to squeal if the other party starts doing it too.

Government business takes precedence in the House of Commons because of a very long-standing standing order. Corbyn and his cabal have announced their intention to set that aside. Hardly surprising then that BoJo is considering using his power and influence to prevent that happening.

Incidentally, while this will be presented by the breathless left as an appalling abuse of power and an affront to parliament, and hang-on-I-thought-you-brexiteers-believed-in-parliamentary-sovereignty, Parliament should perhaps take a moment to reflect on the consequences of voting to settle a constitutional question via an exercise in direct democracy. Quite unlike the ordinary run of affairs, in which most MPs, most of the time, vote according to the manifestos on which they were elected, this time there is one single issue, decided in a referendum, that uniquely puts parliamentary sovereignty at loggerheads with the expressed will of the people. Parliament has called its own sovereignty into question and if it continues to set itself against the result of the referendum then that question will only get louder. That’s a road I really don’t think we want to go down.

So, if Boris wants to use his entirely uncontroversial right to ask the Queen to end this parliamentary session, write a Queen’s Speech and then open a new one, in the process quietening down those who seem not to understand the contract that exists between our sovereign parliament and the people who elect its members, so be it.

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Well, Parliament now has a week to see what it can do.

Maybe Boris is trying to provoke them into calling an election. It's MUCH easier for his electoral prospects if he is forced into it rather than calling it himself.

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Full BBC report: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Worth pointing out that there is normally a Queen’s Speech every year, but as of right now there hasn’t been one since June 2017. So it really isn’t controversial to want to have one, nor is there anything unusual in all other parliamentary business coming to a grinding halt as a consequence of having one. This always happens. It’s just that this time we get to enjoy watching Tom Watson and Caroline Lucas stamping their feet and squealing about how unfair it all is.

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Well yes, but clearly the length of time is an intentional decision.

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Corbyn didn’t want to immediately call for a No Confidence vote because last week it very quickly became clear he might not win one and even if he did, wouldn’t be able to form an alternative government. That’s why yesterday they all came out of that meeting patting themselves on the back for being all clever and cooperative and agreeing to try to pass a law preventing No Deal. They have to make the best of what’s achievable, and that is some way short of unseating Boris Johnson and his government.

Prorogation basically makes it impossible for them to pass any legislation before 31 October because most of the fortnight between the State Opening of Parliament and Brexit Day will be taken up with the Queen’s Speech debate and other government business. What little time opposition MPs might be able to purloin, will not be enough. There’s no point them commencing any legislation between now and 10 September either, because anything that hasn’t completed passage by the date of prorogation automatically fails.

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Also, just to shore up Boris’ electoral prospects in the event of a no confidence vote, BBC’s Laura K. is saying that the Queen’s Speech will be full of voter friendly promises on the NHS, law and order, etc.

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Indeed. Yet nobody involved in this, on either side, is acting unconstitutionally. They are all proposing to use the processes that already exist in order to get their agenda through. Taking a longer view, Parliament may decide to use its powers to legislate and prevent things happening in this way in future. For the time being, its failure to address these sorts of potential circumstances is just as much an expression of its sovereign will as addressing them would have been.

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Sure but then I am wondering if No 10s thinking here is that by reducing their Parliamentary options they can dare them into calling that VoNC and an election. An election in these circumstances suits Boris Johnson perfectly IMO.

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I wish people would be proportional in their outrage. Twitter/Reddit is just a no-go area now with people intentionally misunderstanding what the Queen's role is in all this.

I think Boris Johnson is behaving badly here but the Queen isn't being asked to suspend democracy.

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Boris isn't behaving badly at all. He is honoring the vote of the electorate in the referendum.

Parliament would have been suspended anyway for the party conference season, so this fuss is only about a few extra days.

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Is he though? A Queen’s Speech after a session lasting, say, six months, would be an abuse of process, but the current session is now more than 2 years old, and apparently the oldest in centuries. He is entirely within his rights to use his power to advise the Queen in order to control parliamentary business. That’s what governments do and it’s an essential part of the balance of power that emerged after the English Civil War period. Parliament is sovereign; its legislation (or respect for convention) permits the government to function. A monarch with powers constitutionally limited was agreed in 1660 to be preferable to a “Lord Protector” whose powers and influence had no such agreed limit. Well, here we are in 2020 and the monarch is exercising her powers in accordance with the longstanding will of parliament. So far as I can see, Boris’ behaviour here is no worse than the way MPs took over government business in the Commons before the summer and announced they would do again next month.

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To play devil’s advocate for a moment, it isn’t just about a couple of days. It’s about the ability to kill off anything the opposition might have tried to set in train at the beginning of September, and also to fill as many of the days after 14 October as possible with the consequences of the Queen’s Speech. On paper perhaps only a couple of sitting days are lost but the effect on any opposition plans for mischief is rather more serious.

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Parliament could have voted, and likely would have, to sit in the recess so it is actually quite a long period. Also, remember we don't know exactly when he is suspending it.

This is a good example of it: https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...71170923651078

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I find the phrase “recent highest” in that tweet potentially quite weaselly. What’s the actual highest I wonder? And the highest in modern times? (which is arguably from the very early 20th century, though I’d accept post-1945).

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He is within his rights to do so. I am not especially outraged by the whole thing because if you have a tool at your disposal then you might as well use it. I wasn't outraged by Parliament looking to take control of the order paper either. Really the only time I felt someone behaved really badly is when the Government 'accidentally' broke pairing for a Labour MP on maternity leave in a close vote.

I just think it's a cynical ploy and Parliament needs to see what it can do to respond. The rest of it is just whining at the referee.

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BTW So many of these problems are because of the Fixed Term Parliament act. That needs to go ASAP.

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Did you mean to respond to me, or at least that particular quote?

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Either. You choose.

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The Queen has done it. Parliament to be prorogued no earlier than 9 September and no later than 12 September, to reconvene on 14 October.

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It's good to see the country moving forward ,stagnation had set in.

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Not how it works.

Prorogation is very different from the conference recess, as during the conference recess, MPs can still meet in committee, they can demand government papers, they can put down questions to ministers.

There are a lot of things that can be done in recess that can't be done in prorogation.

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Ah yes, the old

"Democratic - using Parliamentary procedure and conventions to suspend Parliament to prevent discussion and oversight of Government work

Anti-Democratic - using Parliamentary procedure and conventions to hold Government to account"

approach...

Must be a new definition of "moving forward" I hadn't seen before - not allowing Parliament to do anything for five weeks...

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Ruth Davidson set to quit as Scottish Conservative leader.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...enior-sources/

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One of the Conservative Party's best assets and responsible for turning around the Party in Scotland. Will she really be #BrexitCollateralDamage

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Exactly and they will find it extremely hard to replace her in Scotland.

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Well, in some respects Brexit was always going to have to win another referendum or win a general election. So this isn't a surprise really, only that Boris is embracing it - although I advocated that strategy for Brexiteers some time ago.

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There's always another to take her place, infact people will be already plotting to get the position.

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I think the Tories in London have written off Scotland

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She improved the Conservative vote in Scotland considerably and whoever follows will very much highly struggle to do that.

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Which is good news, Brexit is England's identity crisis in action.

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I think the Scots have written Scotland off since sturgeon took power.;)

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They still have 13 seats in Scotland which was their best since 1983 in Scotland.

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Ummm .... no, they won’t. The Tories’ comeback in Scotland occurred much earlier than most people in Englandshire realise. Holyrood’s more-or-less proportional representation voting system has ensured they have always been a significant presence and at present they are the official opposition. There are 31 Tories in Holyrood out of 129 MSPs in total. Many of them are young and ambitious and, unlike Ruth Davidson, possibly not with a young baby in the house and grateful for the opportunity to lay some responsibilities down. In fact, on that point, she has been off on maternity leave for much of the year and in the interim Jackson Carlaw has been a very capable stand-in. He would be an able leader, as would be the shadow finance secretary, Murdo Fraser.

I wish her no ill will, incidentally; she has been great for the Tories in Scotland and great for Scotland itself, properly holding Sturgeon to account. In fact as the Scottish Tories’ best hope right now is to keep their distance from BoJo, she is doing yet another service by resigning in this way.

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they wont have any after next general election

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The abuse of power, it's how it all ended for the Romans ;)

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Togas at the ready

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In a bizarre coincidence it appears the people who support Brexit think this was a good idea and the people who don't think it's a bad idea.

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most of us aren't old enough to remember.

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Actually I’m pretty sure it was syphilis that ended it for the Romans, on account of all the orgies. But hey ho.

It comes as a surprise to precisely no-one at all that public opinion on this has divided along Leave/Remain lines. This entire country’s politics are becoming as obsessed with the constitution as Scotland’s has been for a decade now.

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So what is supposed to be the alternative of not having a "no deal"? There isn't a deal on the table, so the objective of opposing "no deal" must be "Remain". All without the niceties of Parliament being explicitly asked that question. That is abuse of power and subverting Parliament and the electorate.

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Not this again.

In this context 'Deal' mean 'Withdrawal agreement'

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Deal means anything that is place in 2 years time and afterwards, otherwise "deal" could refer to absolutely anything. Parliament has already said no to the withdrawal agreement on 3 occasions. Have the proponents of "no to no deal", ever explicitly said it means a yes to the WA? Only the phrase "no to no deal" is ever used. Have the EU given any indication of their terms for an ongoing deal that is remotely acceptable and doesn't break many of the principles behind the Leave vote?

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Lord Sumption (Former UK Supreme Court Justice) on Newsnight tonight makes extraordinary intervention by claiming Boris Johnson’s request to The Queen to suspend Parliament is lawful. Gina Miller might wanna take note as she is about to mount a legal challenge against prorogation.

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The legal gravy train is full of people who will take contradictory opinions because there’s money in it. I’m sure Gina will find someone with a contrary opinion.

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Gina Miller’s most important contribution may yet be the forcing of Theresa May’s government to present an EU withdrawal bill to Parliament that contained a default exit date.

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There's an argument though that it doesn't actually end EU membership, hypothetically (and very unlikely) if the Government and EU agreed we would remain in with our laws incompatible with EU laws and at risk of legal action. However we'd still be in.

I'm not being deliberately argumentative - just pointing out where legal eagles could earn a fortune debating semantics.

Unlike the wonderful membership of Cable Forum where we don't earn a penny for it. :)

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No, we mince words for the sheer hell of it :batty:

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The laws in the US, China etc are incompatible with the EU. Just that any goods they market in the EU have to comply with EU rules. Nothing inherently wrong with that. A central issue is whether after Brexit, goods marketed in the UK have to still submit to EU rules and the ECJ. Especially without having a say in what those rules are. That would be undemocratic and a coup by the EU.

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As has been explained many times on this forum by Chris and others, a Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments, and decisions of Parliament can be overturned by Parliament.

MPs doing their jobs (oversight of and holding to account the Executive) is not "anti-democratic" - it is the very basis of our Parliamentary Democracy.

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The role of the ECJ within domestic UK affairs was a key sticking point in the WA negotiations. IIRC they did find a workaround, but if we leave without a WA in place it’s moot.

The ECJ has no jurisdiction in the UK unless our domestic law gives it. Products sold within the UK will continue to comply with EU directives where those directives have been translated into UK law, but if a member state of the EU has a complaint about the way our domestic market is regulated they will not be able to ask the ECJ to handle it.

This is a key area where red tape can be cut. In my own line of business, for example, changes in EU law around 10 years ago compelled anyone offering Bed and Breakfast services, no matter how small the scale, to register as a “food business” with their local council, which is then obliged to perform random food hygiene inspections. You can imagine, with the explosion of services like Airbnb, what an impossible burden for councils this is. Previously, this was covered under domestic legislation that exempted anyone hosting in fewer than four rooms (generally 4 rooms plus is a guest house, and is subject to much more stringent requirements, for example with regards to fire safety).

As someone running a B&B by definition can’t be exporting to the EU, or anywhere else, there is no reason for us to continue to suffer the interference of EU regulations, and no reason for the EU to complain about it.

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While this is absolutely true, the spice in the recipe in this case is the exercise in direct democracy that gave rise to the decision to leave the EU. Parliament is sovereign but it is politically very difficult for parliament to exercise that sovereignty however it pleases when it is manifestly contrary to the will of the people.

Of course there are many arguments about precisely what the will of the people is; what sort of Brexit the referendum mandated, whether people have changed their minds, etc, but much of this is dissembling and obfuscation by those whose genuine interest is in overturning the referendum result and halting our exit from the EU.

The results of Parliament’s shenanigans over the last few months have been a train wreck of a Strasbourg election and opinion polls that began putting our oldest and most successful political party in the teens, often in third place, until they elected a leader who looked like he was actually serious about leaving the EU. Again, none of this has any legal effect on parliamentary sovereignty but it does begin to indicate how murky our unwritten constitution can become when people try innovating with it. The prospect of a battle between parliament and the electorate over which body is sovereign could get ugly.

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Yes, obviously the hypothetical Government that wanted to remain would have to legislate back into line at some point, but arguably the Withdrawal Act isn't the cliff edge some think it is.

As it'd be the action of a Government that had the confidence of Parliament it'd be a stretch to call it undemocratic.

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The Withdrawal Agreement constantly refers to having to follow EU rules and the ECJ. 186 references to "Union law" and 77 to "Court of Justice".


The word deal is only referenced once.


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An "action" that that can never be overturned and hands power and control to another country/group of countries is undemocratic and a coup. It is one thing to be part of a group and (allegedly) having a say, it is another to be completely subservient and not having a say.

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Precisely! The outrage we are hearing from the staunch remain side should be seen for what it is. They have been debating Brexit for months now and they have rejected all solutions put to them to date. What on Earth do they think another few days debating this in Parliament will achieve that will take us out of the EU? The answer is none, because they don't actually want us to take any notice of what the electorate has voted for.

They have no solutions that would be acceptable to the electorate and they should now be comforting each other in defeat and have a nice rest.

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I think that come mid-October, Boris will have negotiated something very close to Theresa May's deal. Faced with no way of extending Article 50, the Remainers in his party will support it. That was the objective of yesterday's action.

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BJ’s letter to Tory party members when he was seeking to be elected as Leader.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1567068441

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What exactly is the point you're trying to make ?

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I was going to ask the same.

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Errmm, have you read it ??

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Did I miss the bit when there was "consensus in the House of Commons"? His intention therefore doesn't apply and is irrelevant.

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He's an habitual liar, sacked many times for it, and hasn't changed.... The Tory manifesto for the next election we can file next to Enid Blyton.....

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He is a liar , a charlatan and a few other names besides just about fits his description...

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So are you all wilfully missing the deliberately vague wording of “not attracted to” and “believe in finding”, or are you genuinely novices when it comes to following British politics?

Come on folks, this is kindergarten stuff. There’s enough wriggle room in that letter to drop my kids’ worm farm through it.

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It was contingent on there being consensus. There isn't, so all bets are off.

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Of course it was but as always happens the usual suspects on here proclaim their outrage.

Pathetic and obtuse as always.

Perhaps when Gina Miller's judicial review gets thrown out next week thay will rail against the Legal Establishment as well.

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Forum Members have different views surely it is pretty easy to accept that...

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Ahh... the 'usual suspects' tag, usually used by the 'usual suspects' ;)

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It's kindergarten stuff to pretend he meant something different to what he said. the general meaning is clear. 'Wriggle room' is lawyers speak to get out of something you did/said.

Me thinks though doth protest too much when your chosen one has been found out (again).

BTW his hair is a lie too, pure synthetic...

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Oh come on, you’re not this naive. Politicians use wording, whenever they’re indicating a course of action, that allows them later to change their minds without having told an outright lie.

When a politician indicates a course of action - or in this case indicates what he would prefer not to do - in terms of what he finds attractive, he’s not making a promise, he’s discussing his thought process.

I’m not excusing him, by the way. I wish our politics was a lot more straightforward, but he has most definitely worded the letter merely to dampen down speculation about prorogation. There is unequivocally no promise not to prorogue in that letter, and I sincerely doubt that any of the regular contributors here genuinely think otherwise. Your faux outrage is every bit as politically motivated as Boris’ weasel words were.

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Seems to have the perfect traits for a successful PM then :D

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My description would just not apply to Boris Johnson as you can attach that description to quite a few politicians of all political colours.

l like politicians who say what they mean and keep those promises instead of many modern politicians who obfuscate . lie . connive and many other things besides all the way through their political lives.

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In the real world, there is this thing called "never say never". Eg you can't really say that you would never do X, as there will often be circumstances where you have little or no choice.

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Tell that one to the Chancellor! :D

https://twitter.com/TeamSaj/status/1...ament-11796583

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With regards to keeping things open enough not to be caught lying, they have planned the prorogation for a constitutionally recognised reason, and it will reopen 2 weeks before Brexit day. Sajid Javid can easily say he was talking about an arbitrary prorogation, rather than the usual constitutional means of ending a parliamentary session in order to bring forward a Queen’s Speech. Indeed the speculation during the summer has been about a prorogation lasting until 1 November. Such an act would lack political cover and make a successful legal challenge more likely.

Yes, it’s nefarious, it’s scheming, but it’s just the right side of legitimate that in the long run it’s hardly likely to present long-term problems for our democracy. In mid October Parliament will reopen, debates about Brexit will restart and everyone outside the political bubble will wonder, briefly, what the fuss was about, and then forget all about it. That is the political calculation Boris has made. I tend to think it’s accurate.

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So you’re saying people can change their mind?

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Well played.

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And, to bring a little levity to this heated and fraught discussion...

https://newsthump.com/2019/08/29/dis...62yOBtk_JiXf6s https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/08/20.jpg

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Circumstances can change. Has there been a "consensus in the House of Commons"? That was a pre-condition.


Link

No pre-condition there, fulfilled or unfulfilled.

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And I’m disappointed in you, denying the basis of our Parliamentary Democracy.

But hey ho, somehow we will both manage to struggle on with the shadow of each others’ disappointment taking away our joy in life... ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/08/1.gif

On that note, time for a large glass of red wine. :D

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I predict that on 1st November we still haven’t left the EU.

I hope that isn’t the case, but I fear it will be.

I’m not up to speed on his power but I think the speaker will do something, that stops us leaving, or enables others to stop us, which then forces his resignation - he’s due to leave anyway so he’ll go with a bang.

Then the only way out of this will be a GE, with the parties putting in Black and white what they will do, unequivocally.

Pre leave or post leave a GE is inevitable anyway, and I also believe that regardless of when, Boris will win, or at least not lose.

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I am more confident we will leave on Halloween than I was before, now Boris is in power.

Somebody may yet pull a rabbit out of the hat, but I can't think how!

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Welcome to the club, Pierre.

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I think we leave with a deal that has a 'reworded' backstop.

I think the ideal situation for Boris Johnson is that Parliament does find a way to block No Deal and triggers a VoNC. He can then go the country saying he tried but was blocked from doing so, this is an ideal situation for squeezing out the Brexit Party.

The other alternatives aren't great:

• Any election after No Deal Brexit? Unless No Deal does turn out to be fine any consequences for it will be placed at his feet. Especially after he would have tried so hard to make it happen.
  
• An election after a Deal? Brexit Party will go after the Tories and he isn't winning votes from anywhere else.

Best case for him is an election before Brexit in which the Brexit Party are not a threat. Gives him breathing space to do a Deal and/or to ride out a negative impact on the economy. But he cannot be the one to have called the election.

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I think Corbyn is in a scenario similar to the most often mimicked scene from “ Downfall”.

He’s not guaranteed to win a vote of no confidence, so he’s reluctant.

Likewise the much vaunted General Election he wanted against T.May, that would have been close, is now looking very much less close under Boris.

So he is very impotent at the moment.

Apt.

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Constitutionally, Parliament is still sovereign. There is no statute or convention to say otherwise. If one existed, Parliament could legislate against it anyway.

However, parliament has created a moral bear trap for itself by allowing a referendum on a specific issue, resulting in the expressed will of the people being placed explicitly at odds with the preferences of MPs. By its own actions, Parliament has allowed the legitimacy of its sovereignty to be questioned. This is worrying, because that really ought to be beyond question, but now here we are.

The constitutional settlement can change. It wasn’t always the way it is now. The actions of Parliament this year, insisting on asserting its sovereignty in the face of a referendum it called and promised to respect, are the very sort of thing that has precipitated crisis and constitutional change in the past. I hope that doesn’t happen because rapid constitutional innovation is messy and in extreme circumstances can turn bloody.

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Meanwhile on Twitter, Claire Fox (Brexit MEP, ex-Revolutionary Communist Party)

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It's not about the Brexit referendum but same principles.

Link
Sound familiar?

Vince Cable, Lib Dems in 2007

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Great to see some further concessions from BoJo who will now negotiate with the EU without his earlier preconditions on the backstop.
Looking more and more like the deal will pretty much remain as is, but the backstop will be rebranded to link it more explicitly to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.ft.com/content/d75cbc18-...4-3669401ba76f

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While I agree with the vast, vast majority of the post Parliament itself isn't designed to be this divided. The May Government would have collapsed many times over if this level of division existed over almost any other issue.

Had May convincingly won the election in 2017 her deal would have been quickly approved and nobody would be debating if the deal was (or wasn't) Brexit. Neither Parliament, or the country, are designed to be this divided on a single toxic issue.

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Agreed ... there is something of a perfect storm blowing, but one single toxic issue has brought it all to crisis point. What worries me is that a single toxic issue is sometimes all it takes. Don’t get me wrong, I think we’re a very long way from civil war, but having deployed the innovation of a referendum (and in terms of our ancient, unwritten constitution, referendums are still an innovation), Parliament needs to be a lot more careful how it handles the fallout. Yes, the present political makeup of parliament certainly is unhelpful, but this is the point at which MPs, and particularly the Speaker, whose hands are not at all clean, need to be taking a longer term view of the institution they are temporary members of.

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Former Hammond aide is frogmarched out of Downing Street by police after being accused of LEAKING ****** secrets by Boris's top adviser Dominic Cummings, SIMON WALTERS reveals


Oh dear someones in trouble.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-document.html





and now this

Scottish court denies injunction against PM's suspension of parliament

https://news.sky.com/story/live-irel...ed-up-11797517

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Obiously a leftie leaker...

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More on the sacking of Javid's senior adviser.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...scorted-no-10/

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Sir John Major announces plans to join legal action against Boris Johnson's Parliament suspension.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4224856.html

Of course ex prime minister John Major should know this better than anyone, after he prorogued parliament himself in 1997 to avoid the cash for questions debate by dissolving the government ahead of the General Election.

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Is that code for traitor?

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Don't you worry, I'll get another job ;)

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Not if you have a reasonable command of the English language, no... ;)

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What I don't understand is why Sajid David was not informed in advance that Sonia Khan was going to be sacked, or instructed to sack her himself. It looks like he himself is not being trusted.