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And why would or should they vote for something that isn't actually Brexit ? :dozey:

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I think until today, the messages were that France might reject an extension. Sky News reported Irish PM Leo Varadkar suggesting it is unlikely any single EU country will veto completely the UK's request. I wouldn't pin your hopes on the EU facilitating a no-deal Brexit.
https://news.sky.com/story/pm-to-mee...ummit-11687662

I guess a second vote may eventually be voted for by Parliament if the Jezza-May Brexit agreement is not concluded.

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Firstly, because not everyone shares your definition of Brexit and secondly, we're only talking about the Withdrawal Agreement and not the trade deal.

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How do you know - you asked everyone ? :rolleyes:

No you haven't - so you don't speak for everyone either.

I am well aware of what is being discussed. :dozey:

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If you and I have different definitions of what Brexit is then not everyone has the same definition. I don't need to ask everyone. And I doubt that Jezza and May are discussing the weather - they're discussing different forms of Brexit or there'd be nothing to discuss!
My second point is my second reason as to why that ex-ERG member should support a Brexit deal. It's not there to remind you of what is being discussed!

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So you'd think, but it seems that Labour isn't opposed to the Withdrawal Agreement - only the political statement!

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It seems to me that only the confused Remainers have different versions of Brexit. You may recall those little phrases: Leave means leave. Brexit means Brexit.

Your version of Brexit isn't the Brexit at all that leavers voted for. You are in the one foot in and one foot out brigade, who don't seem to realise the benefits that could be attained by the UK having its own trade policy on both goods and services.

Speak to pretty well any Leaver in the street and they say they want a clean divorce, not a messy one that leaves us looking after the children, paying over all our money and taking ordsrs from mother in law.

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There’s plenty of those who want to leave in the Conservative Party, including those who campaigned to leave, who are disagreeing over it. Your claim is demonstrably false.

Leave means leave, Brexit means Brexit, neither of those phrases mean anything.

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Speak to any leaver, and they just want out cos they 'won'. They don't know or care about the economic consequences. When it hits them in the pocket they will, but too late and they can always have someone else to blame.

The current talks with Labour are an agreed charade by both parties for the EU's benefit, until they given us an extension. Got to make it look as though we're working together. Once the extension is given, the talks will miraculously break down. A customs union looks all but certain, there is a majority in parliament for it, it just takes time and process to get there. Brexit will hopefully just become a symbolic thing, a blue passport might really be the only outcome.... Worth it ?

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Yes, they do mean something. It means leave the EU. How can it be said that we have left if we are still in the customs union, taking rules from the EU and applying their tariffs?

Those Conservatives who have voted for BRINO type options tend to be those who just want to get on with the process of leaving. It is not necessarily their preference, is it?

And people like Amber Rudd are remainers who are being courted to support the result of the referendum.

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They mean nothing about the future arrangements. Indeed, Brexit wasn’t even a word until recently, just a media invention.

If we are outside the EU and, as a free sovereign country, make the democratic choice to willingly adhere to rules laid out (in exchange for a free trade area) that’s Brexit.

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Well it's been a good three years, and was a evolution from the word Grexit , and we all know how that went.

Would only accepted if put as question to the people.

I'd be happy with a referendum on a soft brexit deal or a no deal brexit.

The in or out question has been settled, but a question of what type of brexit we want would be acceptable.

that would be truly democratic.

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Oh dear,


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The World Trade Organization finds that the European Union subsidies to Airbus has adversely impacted the United States, which will now put Tariffs on $11 Billion of EU products! The EU has taken advantage of the U.S. on trade for many years. It will soon stop!

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And the US Government don’t support/subsidise US plane makers with their military procurement...

In 2016, the US Government spent nearly $100 billion with US aviation companies - Lockheed Martin ($36.2 billion), Boeing ($24.3 billion), Raytheon ($12.8 billion), General Dynamics ($12.7 billion), and Northrop Grumman ($10.7 billion).

And it’s gone up since then.

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Not too sure this is too Brexit-related.

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That’s our big glorious trade deal right there. Slapping $11bn of tariffs on the EU because Boeing’s flagship plane is a pup.

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Depends on how it's worded. In the tariffs are against the EU as an entity, then after Brexit(not that that's going to happen, is it?), then the tariffs would not apply to the UK. If the UK enters into some sort of customs union(eg the withdrawal agreement) with the EU, then they might still apply.

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And in the absence of a trade deal with the USA how do said tariffs compare with WTO rules? I’d imagine the same so we will be no better/worse off.

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The possible US imposed tariffs will be additional to any existing ones, so with Brexit we might avoid those additional tariffs. The issue raised was whether this story is Brexit related.


It just highlights how tethered to the EU we would be with a customs union.

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Thanks for explaing to them how it was Brexit related. They would've seen it straight away but for those rose tinted glasses.

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what are 'divers acts' then?

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Link

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Cheers nomadking, I doubted it was a simple spelling error (diverse), and curiosity got the better of me regarding 'old school' Queens English :D

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Under WTO preferred country rules can the USA apply such a tariff only to the EU? Surely if we traded on WTO terms with the USA they’d still apply to us, we’d just be outside the EU.

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Apparently the Daily Mail readers comments about the Queen signing the Bill are "interesting", with some calling her a traitor, and others stating that she and her family need to leave the country.

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The possible new tariffs are under WTO rules.

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It’s catching:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-live-news

1.53 from Mark Francois

“If you now try to hold on to us against our will, you will be facing Perfidious Albion on speed. It would therefore be much better for all our sakes if we were to pursue our separate destinies, in a spirit of mutual respect.”

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Yeah, they can as an anti-dumping measure if there is a suspicion that products are being sold at under their real value. I guess in this case, the US are saying that Airbus products should cost more than they do and this is due to state aid.

The EU tried this against Chinese steel a while back and the UK vetoed it, allowing cheap steel in to the EU and undercutting our own steel industry.

Anti dumping tariffs can be disputed at the WTO but this can take years to be resolved..

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So much for some grown adults behaving in a responsible manner.:(

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Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;

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And this coincides with two plane crashes involving two Boeing jets?

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Royal Assent is automatic, she was never going to block it I don't understand the obsession with the idea she would.

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Clutching at straws. Brexit is in cardiac arrest here and that was one (albeit unlikely) chance to save it.

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Brexit has been euthanised, there has been no attempt to rescue it in any form.

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Brexit is now in the hands of the EU . . . . . way to go folks :rolleyes:

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She didn't sign it herself she had one of her minions do it , probably kevin

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Had her government advised her to, she certainly could have, she would not have acted on her own volition, the government said yesterday, they wouldn't advise against Royal Assent.

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While Remainers feel rejuvenated with this completely pointless law, that doesn't actually stop "No deal". They should be very worried that a new precedent was set yesterday. Backbench MPs private members Bill, was rushed through both houses, skipping absolute proper scrutiny and then passed in to law, that can now mean serious implications in the future and that it doesn't matter who the government of the day is, when we have wannabe MPs, trying to be defacto Governments for the day. It is totally Bad for Britain.

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It’s bad to have a hapless Government, propped up by Northern Ireland. She should do the decent thing and go, have a general election and give us a government that can govern.

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It's a come back and bit you in the arse bit of legislation.

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Completely agree. Government gets no sympathy from me. She really bungled it, calling a snap election in 2017 and then failing to get a Majority. But it's been bungle after bungle with her.

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If May wants to facilitate a "good" Brexit option she should rescind Article 50, stand down as party leader and have the party elect a pro-Brexit leader (which the membership would).

A half decent leader would wipe the floor with Corbyn at an election then (assuming a sizeable majority) trigger A50 all over again towards a no deal on or around 1st October 2021 and for two years be clear that this is the unavoidable destination of Brexit.

Her deal essentially keeps us in until December 2020 anyway and it'd stop the Parliamentary shenanigans. It'd also smoke out the Labour Party policy on Brexit.

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Meanwhile a new candidate or two for the EU elections

‘So many people want me on the ballot!’ Mussolini’s GREAT GRANDSON stands for EU elections

Caio Giulio Cesare Mussolini, 50, is now a candidate in May's European Parliament elections, Italian media reported, adding he is standing with the far-right Brothers of Italy party


It's gona be a humdinger of an election brexit party / UKIP/ Mussolini ......:rofl:



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...e-brexit-party

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That's not going to happen she's running on pure vanity now.

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Looks like the conditions for the EU granting the extension are that we don't be difficult, accept the Withdrawal Agreement won't be reopened and that we don't start the next round of talks other than that which involve the Political Declaration. Whilst Tusk wants a year delay it seems Macron will insist it's the end of the year.

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It's a precedent with few occasions to occur against especially if a future government gets rid of the Fixed Terms Parliament act. After all in any other situation this government would have fallen by now and it's only the Brexit deadline which is holding everything together. A Parliamentary majority operating against the Government is essentially Parliament having no confidence in that government after all.

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The votes are nonsense. The Brexit supporters vote against because it's not Brexit, and the Remain side vote against because it's not Remain enough.

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I think what they passed today was a waste of time. My point is Parliament taking control isn't a strong precedent because it's so unusual and really the government should fall before it can occur.

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Indeed, and on other borderline matters the Government can generally play politics with the backbenchers - agreeing to support their proposals for future amendments/legislation/funding in exchange for support elsewhere. Or just quietly drop ideas they know that will not garner support and bring back slightly different proposals at a later date with a concession here or there to get it over the line.

With Brexit there's no real choice but to go full steam ahead with the legislative programme. In some cases opinions have been ingrained since the 1970s. Folk aren't going to sell out their principles in exchange for a few million here or there, or an amendment to a Bill next year on something (relatively) trivial.

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Seems a great deal to me, let's go for it :tu:


ooops sorry, slipped into Tony Blair mode for a minute there :dozey:

can we tell them to get stuffed instead? :D

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I suspect that will be how the forthcoming European elections will go, with Labour and Conservatives suffering. Will be interesting to see what happens in Scotland though.

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The Brexit Party will get more votes than anyone expected. That will be the main thrust of any European election involving the UK.

That is the last thing the EU would want, so if the EU insist that to stay beyond June will involve us participating in their sham democracy, they will live to regret it.

All they need to do is to re-word the withdrawal agreement on the backstop and let us go. How hard can that be?

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Highly likely given the anger of some of the electorate.

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It’d be a good laugh if the EU didn’t give us an extension. We’d almost certainly rescind.

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So just how much influence will future MEPs have on Parliament and brexit?

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Not much l would say.

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The problem, as I understand it, is threefold..

1. The EU have to protect the border of the single market. Poltics aside, if they don't insist on alignment of customs regulations, they run the risk of the border between Northern and Southern Ireland becoming a weakpoint in the border of the Single Market. They cannot afford to allow this. The Brexiteers in charge of the government have, as I understand it, refused to offer regulatory alignment.
2. To enforce the security would require customs checks. The systems required to do this without a hard border don't currently exist, and are unlikely to do so for several years.
3. The Irish do not want a hard border, as to have one would not only potentially spark off trouble in Northern Ireland, but violate the Good Friday Agreement.

And before you say other countries are not EU members, but don't require hard borders, you'd likely be right (although Switzerland isn't apparently one of them as it does have checkpoints). They also have regulatory alignment, which we have refused.

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But isn’t it revealing that the EU is happily discussing with Ireland ways to avoid a hard border in a ‘no deal’ situation?

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Not really. They will be looking at alternate ways of doing the same checks, but the infrastructure to allow them won't exist for several years.

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Who would have thought the European Union would engage with a member state on how to protect the border of the single market.

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The UK rules currently match the EUs and are not likely to diverge greatly in the near or even far future. Currently the UK has to check goods from outside the EU, so what is the problem? The product restrictions are on what is marketed and sold within the EU, not transported or even if made in the EU. Businesses in the EU, can and DO manufacture goods that don't meet EU rules


Why should it spark off trouble? Have the IRA truly gone away or are they and there huge number of supporters still issuing terrorist threats? As they ARE constantly issuing terrorist threats, ie X has to be done for the peace process, then the Good Friday Agreement isn't valid as it had to be with "consent freely given" and not under threats of continued violence.

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Another conditions being talked about from the EU: https://www.ft.com/content/683d5212-...e-7aedca0a081a

A option for the EU to force no deal if a future Tory Leader seeks to gain an advantage by vetoing EU budgets/decision. Essentially it makes the option to terminate the Article 50 extension available to both sides, UK or the EU, rather than just when we decide we want to leave.

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It's the 'not likely to' that's the problem. That requires a degree of trust on behalf of the importer that products still comply with local standards and there's no trust with this kind of thing, you have to prove it.

Third countries of course can export to the EU but the exporter has to show that the goods comply with EU regulations and the EU has to inspect goods to test this. For the example of CE marking, there are mutual recognition agreements so certain goods can be imported to the EU without additional testing and vice versa. Examples includes agreements with Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, the USA, Israel and Switzerland. However, these agreements include the right to challenge any technical assessment at any time to ensure ongoing compliance. There's no trust involved...

You are right of course that EU manufacturers make products that are not legally sellable in the EU. There are some national technical requirements that differ so much from EU ones that they are mutually incompatible. The company I work for makes some machinery like this and they are very carefully segregated to make sure they are not sold in the EU

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The pre-Dec 2020 of the withdrawal agreement deals with all this. The contentious issue is what happens afterwards and who has control.


Any checks are already made to goods coming into the UK. Anything that goes into the Republic of Ireland is a matter for them and the EU, NOT the UK. It is NOT for the EU to be dictating what we do on our side of any border.

Who should the EU trust more, the UK which had been part of it for decades or certain countries over in the East of Europe?

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The UK rules currently match the EU because we are in the single market. The EU want guarantees they will carry on matching the EU rules. Something the Brexiteers are apparently refusing.

The problem is that both Irish economies have adapted, so that a lot of businesses rely on free trade between the two economies. We do not have the infrastructure in place to cope with the extra load this will generate.

Why? The troubles were inflamed by the UK government's attempts to control Ireland. They weren't caused by that, as the real cause is buried in Ireland's history, and off topic for this post. The Irish do not want to see the re-introduction of checkpoints, probably because for many, they bring back horrific memories of what happened during the troubles.

However, as I understand it, one of the requirements of the GFA is free movement between the two areas.

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The withdrawal agreement matches rules until Dec 2020. After that they're not going diverge greatly or quickly.

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In which case the backstop won't be a massive issue then....

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The point I'm making is that if there's a no deal Brexit, the EU will find a way to ensure there is no border pretty damn quick.

So why are they huffing and puffing about having that backstop in place if a no deal Brexit would force them to address the problem now?

The argument for a backstop is a complete sham.

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Like what?

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Completely agree.

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Based on the experience of the canned NHS IT system and the IT issues surrounding Crossrail's signalling systems, no one will risk unique, untried technology to solve the Irish border situation.

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There’s no guarantee they would find away, however the Union and the Single Market cannot be threatened by the reckless indulgences of English nationalism. All reasonable preparations have to be made as clearly the UK cannot be trusted in this regard.

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You are assuming that the government can source the personnel and infrastructure needed with whatever resources they have. Bear in mind they don't have an infinite amount of money, even if they did, it takes time to implement the systems required and train the personnel. Also bear in mind this will be a massive IT project for the Government, and we all know they tend to take longer than expected, and come in over budget.

I say it will be a massive IT project, because they won't only need extra infrastructure in Ireland. They'll need it all over the UK.

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The backstop applies AFTER Dec 2020.

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Tenner says she chucks it tomorrow. I’ll even donate it to the Conservative Party!

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There can be a few veterinary and phytosanitary checks on intra-EU moves but that's it. Show a declaration of conformity and off you go. As you said, it isn't likely that things will change much post transition but an exporter will need to prove that goods shipped still comply with EU regulations. If we do change our standards and diverge from EU ones, then that will create another tier of standards manufacturers will need to comply with. If we work to a two tier system, then the EU will need to inspect goods to see if they comply with their rules or our rules before letting them in. Of course we do this now for non-EU imports but suddenly there's a lot more goods that need checking going both ways. If we stick to the EU rules,we still need to prove that we do.


The question will always be where do manufacturers want to concentrate on and what gives the best margins? The EU market is bigger than the UKs so production lines will be slanted towards making goods for the EU market. Look at the Tesla Model 3 - there's a good reason why you can't buy a right hand drive model - the US, China and EU are much bigger markets than the UK, Japan, South Africa and Australia.

In international relations and business, there's no such thing as 'trust'. Treaties, agreements and rules are needed along with enforcement and conciliation. That's the EU in a nutshell - a series of treaties along with rules that help implement and facilitate the functioning of those treaties.

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I send out the EU declarations of conformity all the time as part of my job. Just for chuckles, I wondered if you can get declarations of conformity online for anything and started with Cars. Ford charge €119 + VAT for theirs but Vauxhall let you download them for free. Here's one for for a 2019 Astra - https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/content/d...tra_K_MY19.pdf 247 pages! They have kindly translated it into every language in the EU which is a legal requirement if requested which does explain some of the size.

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This is a common misconception. In Scotland the SNP complains that Scotland is being denied access to a market vastly bigger than the UK one by “being dragged out of Europe against our will”, but the reality is that the overwhelming majority of Scottish “exports” go only as far as Englandshire.

Domestic markets, for most producers, most of the time, are most important. Freeing producers who sell primarily or exclusively to the domestic market from unnecessary and expensive compliance with EU regulations is one of the potential big wins of Brexit.

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U.K. exports to the EU in 2017 were £274 billion, 40% of those exports were services (leaving 60% to be goods).

If they don’t comply, aren’t they limiting their market?

60% of £274 billion is around £164 billion - they’re going to have comply, and it may become more "unnecessary and expensive" if we diverge our standards in the future.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

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Which is where, while not my preferred outcome, a customs union for goods makes sense and let’s us negotiate trade deals for services. Win-win. No Northern Ireland problem either.

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The point is, they have the choice whether to comply or not.

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I see they’re eating our fish at the summit.

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Mrs May isn't, she got sent from the room again

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Looking like Macron is pushing hard for a v short extension, essentially giving May what she asked for, rather than a long one.

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This whole thing is absurdly embarrassing for a country of our size and history. 27 other nations deciding if they should grant us an extension while we're outside the room powerless. Luxembourg could veto us and we're currently depending on the Germans and Irish to convince the French. We were a senior member of this club until now.

Re: Brexit
 

This is the brutal reality of Brexit. What technically sounds like being in control of our own destiny and regulations is, in fact, fitting in with the wishes and wants of larger trading blocs like the US, China, India and the EU.

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Taking the process of leaving the EU, which is a unique event in world history not to mention something that has been wrung out by Theresa May’s personal incompetence, and extrapolating it to make conclusions about all future international dealings between the UK and third parties, is absurd, and a particularly good example of just how nonsensical the confirmation bias has become in this discussion.

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Well,the only reason we haven't left yet is those pesky undemocratic, confused remainers who are determined to keep us in hoc to the EU no matter what the British people voted for.

It is they who are the true embarrassment.

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delay to 31st October being reported now

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I'm afraid size does matter when it comes to negotiations and to pretend otherwise flies in the face of economic realityl.

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Interesting - a mid-point between year end and June end.

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The ERG had three chances to leave before and they blew it.

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May being invited back now

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If you understood what is happening at the moment you would understand that what you’ve just said is entirely irrelevant tonight.

The process that is underway is dictated by the Treaty of Lisbon, parts of which were drafted by British negotiators and all of which was accepted by the British Government and ratified by the British Parliament.

The 27 remaining member states are doing what law which we agreed while we were members says they must do.

Getting it now?

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that from a brexiteer should watch video in link

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No need ... no second referendum, no revocation. That from a Brexiteer- I.e., me. Simples.

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You have kindly typed the above in response to my point that size matters in negotiations but none of it disproves this point.
But I appreciate that protocol dictates that Theresa May cannot attend all discussions about the UK.

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EU: 'Course of action in UK's hands'
Speaking at a news conference, European Council president Donald Tusk says: "Tonight the EU decided to grant the UK a flexible extension.. until 31 October.
"During this time the course of action will be in the UK's hands."

but there bullying us NOTTTTTTTT

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As we are talking about the law and statute. Can you, @shahmiruk or @chrisinsilco state or quote where in statute a referendum has to be re-run when an orgaisation has been found guilty of financial irregularities?

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No, they're hoping the remainers in parliament have time to overturn the democratic referendum result.

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we would been out now if the brexiteers in parliament voted for brexit lots of remain mps did

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Where does it say we can’t? It’s an advisory referendum anyway. No Parliament can bind a successor, etc. Round and round we go for another 6 months.

There’s no point in placing too much emphasis on primary legislation any more anyway. If it can be enacted in three sitting days there’s plenty of time to make some.

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Spot on. Leave snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by a series of own goals! They're now blaming the other side for scoring one goal.

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So far May’s incompetent road to Brexit involves.

-Two years nine months of talks
-Three historic defeats in Parliament
-Three humiliating summits

And then May turns round and blames the MPs with this quote.

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I think it's pretty weird/ironic that the Brexiters best ally in the EU is arch-Europhile Macron and not the right-wing governments Farage had hoped would Veto. Obviously they have different aims but without France the deadline would be March 2020 which would have thrown everything up in the air, more so than October.

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Well it's sort of true. Parliament didn't just fail to agree her deal but any alternative action either.

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FFS- How many more times do I have to say the WA concocted by the Remainers in Government and the EU, it is not Brexit. Have you actually read the agreement ?

It is an agreement, only a country would only agree to, if it has been defeated in war.

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Absolutely. Let’s get the hell out of this cancerous EU. Stop paying £50 Million a day for this con job membership and start trading on WTO terms. AND ignore all the pathetic fear mongering bullshit from the other side that has lied from day one and got all negative predictions totally wrong so far. Simples.

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Also Parliament should break for Easter recess now IMO. Immediate deadline has gone and they seem a bit overburdened. A couple of weeks away from London to calm down might not be the worst decision.

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Agreed. Parliament should now set a good example on the work-life balance and mental health.

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Peace in our time for a couple of weeks at least...

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The repeated delays are just there to try and bully MPs into passing the Withdrawal Agreement, which has not, and will not be changed.

Re: Brexit
 

Forget their mental health. What about the country?

Whether we are leavers or remainers. I’m not sure the country can take another 6 months of this shit. May needs to go, call an election, hold a second referendum so leave can win again, I don’t care. Just end this vicious circle ⭕️ .