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I question why he's given this "interview" at all

I've been saying that for months, nothing will change for the vast majority of us except we'll all notice we're a bit poorer and tbh most of us can afford to be a bit poorer so even that won't impact the vast majority of that majority that much

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I respect everyone's viewpoint and many of my friends voted differently from me last year but at least they voted. What I find disappointing sometimes on this forum is the overwhelming negativity from Leavers about the EU but no positivity and benefits from leaving it.

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Presumably it's all part and parcel of the negotiations. Theresa May wrote in the Sunday Express and Sunday Telegraph. If he didn't, he would doubtless be accused of secrecy.

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I've mentioned the Irish issue before as I just can't see how being outside the customs union and a soft Irish border are compatible. Now some senior officials are pointing this out too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42403771

Some background on the issue here and why technology won't solve the Irish border issue. https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...s-are-limited/

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Of course this must be fake as well Mr K.

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-20/...recast-brexit/

https://www.theguardian.com/business...wth-uk-economy

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It's sad to read these articles - the UK economy could be performing so much better if people hadn't made the wrong decision last year and we could also send £3bn more to the NHS to save lives instead of paying it to fat cat London civil servants to come up with realms of paperwork for Brexit.

I'm not sure about the esteemed Mr K's prophesies but interestingly, it looks like some of the economists were actually correct!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8119886.html

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Well, after a brief hiatus while remainers got over the shock that we are actually proceeding to phase 2, all the nonsense is starting up again. Same old arguments, same old negativity from the remain brigade, never listening to the answers, just dredging up the same old rubbish and any old forecast that anticipates the end of the world.

Still they are not understanding the reason why we can't stay in the common market or customs union, (and why that would be contrary to the benefits of leaving the EU) despite these reasons being explained so many times.

Clearly, the brexiteers are communicating with people who do not want to know about all this and are determined to undermine the whole process to get their way, if they get the chance, blatantly ignoring the will of the electorate.

Clearly, all the positive information in the world is not going to change these minds, and so I think that's it for me. I'm out. See you all on the other side, after 2019!

:walk:

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That's a rather arrogant statement. Who the heck are you to tell me if I was right or wrong?

I'll leave this thread until 2019 also.

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Wahey, the sectorial reviews that exist or don’t exist are now out on the Government web site - http://www.parliament.uk/business/co.../publications/

So far, I have only read the one relevant to my work sector (life sciences) I hope there’s more than this as I could have knocked this up in a few days.

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:waving:

Hopefully you'll get over yourself a bit whilst you're gone, so what he thinks we made a mistake, I think we made a mistake not leaving near enough 20 years ago, big deal

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Exactly. Ours are just opinions, no more, no less. If it's something factual I'll provide a link.
I think the whole purpose of forums is to exchange knowledge and opinions. In my experience, you learn more from those whose opinions differ from your own.

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Well so far, I have learned my decision to vote leave was totally justified & the justification grows more every single day.

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What is the will of the electorate? Just those who voted or do we we count the non voters. And what about the under 18s who were deprived of a vote. we are in this mess due to the stupidity of Cameron running scared of UKIP.

We need another referendum to confirm our choice rather than leave it to a lot of sheep only looking to preserve their seats.

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I don't think we should have another referendum but Brexit supporters do seem to think the result was more emphatic than it was when they say 'will of the people'. It's the will of just over half the people, and almost certainly less than that when you consider the under-18s who'll be in their twenties when we actually leave couldn't vote.

It was a legitimate result and it should be respected but the 'will of the people' overlooks just how divided the country is and a better understanding of that would help explain to them just why this is difficult and why the country isn't 'rallying behind Brexit'. Brexit doesn't actually have 'the people' behind it, it has half of people behind it and the other half passionately against it.

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l could have not said it better myself.:tu:

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Not sure I totally agree. I for one voted remain and wish this whole thing wasn’t going ahead but if it has to, then a Brexit that is as painless as possible for the economy and country should be the aim. With a decision of this importance, we should hold the government to account. What is happening now will affect the country for years to come. It’s not like a manifesto promise that you can ride out for 5 years. This is pretty much permanent. So am I passionately against Brexit? No, I would rather it didn’t have to happen but if it does, let’s make it work.

At this point, 17,410,742 votes for leave and there are 17,410,742 opinions on what Brexit actually means down the line. When you add all the remain voters who accept the result, it gets even more complicated. Differences in opinion on how the process is going cause reactions way beyond the import of the opinion. Look at the motion to allow giving MPs a vote on the deal - not one of the Conservative rebels has tried to thwart Brexit, they supported a motion asking for parliamentary scrutiny of the deal, holding government to account. Yet now they are ‘traitors’ receiving death threats. John Stewart Mills ‘Tyranny of the Majority’ is writ large here.

Should we and can we rally around Brexit? The answer is ‘it depends’. What is the plan? What is the end point? How will we be affected? Can we trust the government to work in our interests? I have asked on this forum for members ‘fantasy Brexit’ with their ideal answers to the above and got no answer. Until this is clear, it is difficult to support. It’s not like supporting a football team blindly, give people a reason to support the process beyond simply the idea of Brexit meaning Brexit.

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Sigh.

On June 23rd, those who were eligible to vote, had the will to vote, many people decided not to vote, then that is their fault, they then cannot deride the result and suggest it was short of the ‘will if the people’, when it is one of the largest democratic processes in terms of voter turnout.

So yes, it is the will of the people, whether remainers like it or not. You cannot suggest otherwise by including ineligible voters and yes that includes people who were not of age, those are the voter laws and definitely, those who could not be arsed to vote cannot be included either.

So this argument that only half the country voted is irrelevant.

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But I am not arguing that the referendum isn't valid but that there is a division in the country and that explains, in part, the difficulty here. It isn't a point about the vote itself but now what happens after.

Centrally: That will of the people ignores that division.

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The division is strong, no argument, for example, opened up my Twitter app as I do every morning. A tweet from a Remainer went along lines of :

“Half the pricks who voted for brexit don’t need passport seeing as they are too scared to leave their hometown.” - tweet in reference to the news of the passport changing back after Brexit. But this is just plain rude and arrogant, do fellow Remainers condone this attitude towards Brexiteers or condemn it ?

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Well obviously I personally condemn it but I am not the spokesman for Remain and nor is whoever wrote that tweet. We are not collectively responsible for each other in the same way Leave supporters aren't responsible for everything and anything specific Leave supporters have done.

I think we're all individually responsible for how we treat others and behave.

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l condemn all attitudes whether its from one side or the other which are rude , arrogant , threatening and just downright abusive.

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And sadly l don't expect those divisions to heal very quickly or even heal at all.

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If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. Of course it’s not helpful in any way and a lot of this kind of attitude is why leave won in the first place. Everyone needs to settle down a bit or the divisions will only get stronger. The press certainly doesn’t help either with ‘Crush the saboteurs ‘ and ‘Enemies of the people’. It’s creating a toxic atmosphere. I know that you don’t read the main stream press but a lot do.

However, how do these quotes fit in to your feelings on the matter;

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...MCNEWEML6619I2

Would it happen in the other direction?

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Brexiters do seem very excited over a change of colour! Thing is, if we wanted to change the colour we didn't need to leave the EU to do it. Croatia have blue passports.There are doubtless going to be bigger waits for Brits on their regular hols to EU countries, but we can pride ourselves that we've 'got our country back' and a snazzy blue passport, whilst waiting hours ! If we love our country so much why don't we holiday here ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8124526.html

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Bit of a rubbish article that - the colour of the passport has no impact in the potential delays in immigration. I see there are no quotes from EU officials mentioning the colour of the passport. whether we get fast track rights as we have at present or have a visa waiver scheme or need Etias is all up in the air at present. Of course, such processes are reciprocal so if control of our borders is paramount, then it’s going to be slow going getting in to the UK for EU citizens and vice versa

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We already have a blue passport in the UK - we issue them to refugees.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...9&d=1514035444

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Yesterday, James Caan from Dragons Den, erroneously Tweeted it would cost £500 Million for the passport change, what he failed to grasp and it’s took him 24 hours to correct himself, is that the contract is up in 2019 anyway, so it was going to cost that much to renew the contract.

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Highly successful Conservative politician and businessman tells it how it is - Brexit will damage the UK more than Corbyn will. Good to see a courageous Conservative politician who is not afraid of putting country before party.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/michae...brexit-2017-12

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who cares what 1 person thinks 17.4m decided otherwise

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Don't we as a country have to try to bridge the deep divisions which are currently prevalent in this country or are you happy for the deep divisions to go on as they are?.

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So an arch remoaner and Europhile posts something that chimes with your views?

Just more drivel.:rolleyes:

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The division is being caused by people such as Hestletine, trying to undermine the Brexit process.

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I would be quite happy to support the government if I had any confidence that they have any clue as to what they actually want. But as we had referendum that hadn't a clue as to what either party stood for I suppose it makes sense to carry on in the dark.

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There is 2 things people that want to stay in the EU for Trade and free travel.

Brexit voters want a better society all round I know what I voted for and it wasn't for certain Govs of certain nations that have dictated to others how they should go about their business.

We have shown one thing with the brexit process how controlling and vindictive the EU can be.

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There will presumably be a trade agreement so that disposes of one thing. I've always had to pay my fare when I go abroad. You really mean free movement and the government has had the ability to control that but chose not to. Your argument is really with the UK government which has been quite happy to keep wages depressed (more profits for big business)

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So the other 48 million should be ignored ? :rolleyes: (the 17 million is declining all the time too...)

Even though I don't agree with their politics, Heseltine and Ken Clarke are top blokes with experience of Govt. They know the damage Brexit is going to cause.

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Yes the other 48 million should be ignored, they had their chance to vote and decided not to for whatever reason, could not be arsed to vote or were not eligible for whatever reason. They cannot complain afterwards because the vote did not go their way. That is not how democracy works but then again, this is how much you disrespect it. :dozey:

It is not going to cause anything but prosperity. You're continuing to highlight fearmongering based off fake studies, is getting boring. :zzz:

You have absolutely no basis, or evidence to form any conclusion that the 17 Million is in decline.

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lol Mick, whilst there's plenty of evidence to support Mr K's assertions (which he and others have readily supplied), I've seen nothing robust to state that the country will become more prosperous. We've already seen hikes in food prices; few will forget the infamous Brexit Toblerone! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/12/7.jpg

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That’s not evidence and no there has not been anything to assert Mr K’s posts at all.

Btw Product down sizing has been happening for years. Way before Brexit Referendum.

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Of course resizing has been going on for years. But as Sky News informed us, it's only the UK that now gets the smaller version whilst our EU bretheren get to retain the full-sized bar.
Plenty of evidence in previous posts from the likes of Mr K and others to support his posts. But none from you to support the fact that the UK will be more prosperous post Brexit. Because no reputable evidence exists.

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The rumour that l heard is that TM has already agreed to accept that the EU will have some control over the UK when we do eventually leave.

If l could have another vote tomorrow. Then l would change to remain. Its costing this country so much.

And Theresa May is three times worse than Thatcher. She wants her own way, and is determined to get it.

She will cave into what is demanded of her. And with that buffoon Boris. This country will slowly go down like a ship.

At the end of the day, this country needs trade with other countries. And l don't think she will get it until an agreement is made.

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On that Mick l think we can agree for once.:)

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So she 'wants her own way and is determined to get it' but will 'cave in to what's demanded of her'... :spin:

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I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .


:D

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Yep, a bit like how the remain campaign raised queries about the legality of their opposition's pre-referendum spending when there seems to be a few questions about their own side's...

https://order-order.com/2017/12/29/r...ated-spending/

Let's not worry about that though... ;)


;)

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Speaking of factual accuracy the original statement was made by a "leaver" who has now turned to the remain side.

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Indeed. More evidence - this time anecdotal - of a shift to remain - if people want to see it.

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people are free to change their mind about anything, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum.

It's not like deciding on a different pair of socks is it :D

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and how many people have 'anectdotally' changed their minds the other way I wonder but of course that doesn't matter. It's ironic how some people are only too happy to cite examples of changed minds when it suit their agenda. It's perfectly obvious that there are those amongst us who will say and do almost anything to try to get their way despite the referendum result. They even cite someone who accuses May of being on the one hand unwilling to listen to anyone else whilst readily acquiescing to what other people want. That's called clutching at straws I reckon... :D

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Source

So no actual shift in position, just some polling noise, despite some clutching at EU straws.

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How should Brexit have been handled? It's never been done before and Labour have no credible policy towards it so how well would they have done? How many of the problems have been down to EU intransigence just as happened when Cameron tried to make them see sense? I'd like to know what May could have done about that other than give them whatever they asked for and then be condemned for so doing. People need to get real and accept that this process is tough and mistakes will be made on both sides but of course some people have no interest in accepting that the EU is responsible for any of the delays and problems.

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Say what you want about David Davis but he was spot on about referendums, if only people had listened things wouldn't be so messy now, all this dull bickering would stop and the future would be clearer, wonder if we'll all learn for next time

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/12/14...-is-a-plonker/

Didn't like the way they called him a hypocrite at the end of the article either, it can't be true anyway, someone would've exposed him by now if he were

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Posting out of date information is not so much clutching at straws but more like a drunk clutching at another drunk for support. :D
Subsequent polls show the shift to Remain and this has been mentioned by many people in this thread before.

But for convenience
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/indepen...tion-tensions/

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Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample :D

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BMG says it is a representative sample and I suspect BMG knows more about this than you and me. Pesky polling experts!
For copyright reasons, I can't post the whole article but unlike you I've posted a link so the article can be read in full.

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It's not strange at all, it's what desperate folks do to try to overturn a clear result. IIRC c. 1.3 million more people voted to leave than remain. It's going to take more than an anecdotal change of mind by Arthur or [removed by Mod - warning posted later in thread] clutching at the usual highly selective straws to negate that.

I'm still waiting to hear from Grimupnorth as to why I could possibly think be might have voted against Brexit but perhaps he's busy...

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I thought there was a policy here on pathetic name calling?

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I'm pretty sure that after people saw through Bliar there was a shift to wishing that they had never voted for him in the first place. Nevertheless, he remained prime minister until what people had voted for (his term in office) came to an end. I don't see why the one and only, binding, this is what will happen if you vote out etc etc....vote should be treated any differently. :shrug:

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That's because you believe in democracy... :tu:

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Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.

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What referenda has the EU forced on any country?

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Correct. They've got previous when it comes to that...

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These have been referenda on new treaties. The Irish didnt vote yes once and I think the Belgians had problems with a regional parliament over the Canadian Trade agreement. i think there has been one other event.

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The Irish vote was a vote to change the Irish constitution to incorporate the Lisbon treaty.. The vote was a ‘no’ so the wording of the amendment was changed and the referendum run again with a ‘yes’ result. It was an internal thing for Ireland and the 28th amendment went ahead.

The thing with Belgium wasn’t a referendum. Wallonia were concerned about some protections around agriculture and so blocked the Belgium federal governments ratification of the treaty. Assurances were given, Wallonia agreed, the Belgian government ratified the agreement.

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What sort of person would suggest that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36306681

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Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.

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Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

Cheers

Dave

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I googled that for you and found these links amongst others...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7077801.html

https://www.ft.com/content/54f5f6c5-...c-131cec69d88b

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-either-side

HTH :)

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So when he said something he meant it :rolleyes:

Cheers

Dave

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Strange how some self righteous politicians quote this , that and tother at us plebs but cannot quote it to themselves.

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They told us there'd be no second chances to pile the pressure on those tempted to leave and get their way - it was all part of project fear. Having lost the argument it clearly suits some folks to start whining about people changing their minds, didn't know what they were voting for blah blah blah... Pathetic.

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Doesn't matter. When he said that he wouldn't resign he was speaking for himself as a private individual. When he said (in that video) that a vote to leave would mean that we leave and that the referendum would be binding he was speaking for the government and the establishment.
See the above. :)

You and I both know that he was saying all that about the referendum as a tactic to get us to vote remain and probably to also look sincere however the fact remains that we were told (in no uncertain terms/very clear language) what would happen if we voted leave.
We voted leave.......let's have what was promised.

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Sad to read this article, but the comments and analysis from the economists are interesting and worth a read. But beware - there's over a 100 economists interviewed!
https://www.ft.com/content/123dcf90-...7-521324c81e23

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Also, what Farage said does not encapsulate absolutely everyone who voted leave, for anyone to suggest otherwise is simply being naive.

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That was totally nonsensical to highlight someone such as Farage, who is not in any government/position to dictate and force a vote...

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Farage/UKIP, and the support they gathered, were the main reason the Referendum happened - they gave more credibility to the Tory Euro-sceptics, and were threatening to tear the Tories apart, so the Referendum was given to placate them, and those who were threatening to support UKIP and Farage (and for most of it’s time, Farage was seen as UKIP).

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The sooner the better, i am sick to the back teeth of it all.

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I think a lot of Brexit supporters are. It isn't that simple after all.

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I want us out and the sooner the better. I am sick to the back teeth because we could just do it and then sort it. At the moment our Elected Mp's are making a meal of it. The public voted and the outcome is known, some like it some hate it but it is happening so we need to just get on with it.

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Couldn't have put it better myself. :tu:

All the time we're half out/half in allows the remoaners to frustrate the will of the people.

Those that couldn't be arsed to vote on one of the most important issues of the last 50 odd years simply don't count. You had your chance and you blew it.

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One good thing about Brexit is the ‘voting changes nothing’ people where shocked out of it . Far more young people participating and voting now.

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You miss my point.

The EU is a bully, just look what they did or did not do when it came to Catalonia and Spain, Spain went in mob handed and assaulted those people, the EU turned a blind eye, may be said a few words.

Poland stands up to those corrupt imbeciles @ the EU and they start threatening sanctions. I am so frigging glad we are leaving that absolutely detestable gang of EU halfwits.

So to my point, Farage cannot dictate government policy, there has been strong EU skepticism since day one, way before Farage came on the scene. That has grown over the years when millions of people saw with their own eyes how corrupt the EU was/is and then voted accordingly.

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Right! The FPTP system didn't encourage people to vote but a referendum with a simple yes/no meant every vote counted and engaged many people.

Maybe there'll be a bit more momentum to try and reform our current system to make it more democratic. Not holding my breath though.

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Brexiters had better get used to the current situation as we'll being obeying EU legislation and the ECJ until the end of 2020 and possibly beyond. People who believed the empty promises from the likes of David Davis will just have to grin and bear it.

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The EU was asked to butt out by the Spanish government and so therefore did nothing. This is much like the Scottish referendum. How is doing nothing bullying?

With Poland, the Polish government wants to put the judiciary under political control which is in contravention of EU law and the European Convention of Human Rights. In addition, the country has been logging illegally and has broken previously agreed positions on migrants. So yes, break international agreements and laws, you can expect a reaction, otherwise why have agreements at all?

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Churchill was one of the instigators behind the European Convention on Human Rights. Unlike Chamberlain, he was not afraid to confront difficult situations. It's a bitter coincidence that the country (Poland) whose invasion led to the start of World war II should be breaching the Convention now. Well done to the EU for continuing Churchill's good work when evidently, some would prefer it to adopt Chamberlain's approach.

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The writing was led by David Maxwell-Fyffe, the British prosecutor in the Nuremberg trials of course.

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Chamberlain reputation is unfair IMO. The late 1930s was not that long after the First World War, just 20 years separate the Munich Agreement and the armistice. He was personally scared from that war as was the country. He was really motivated to avoid another war in Europe, as was the country, as were his military advisors who said we weren't ready.

Chamberlain wasn't an idiot. He knew Hitler couldn't really be trusted although it wasn't yet the Hitler we know of today. He also knew war would probably happen. He kept trying to avoid it or, at least, postpone it until we were ready. Towards the later stages Britain and France were building up their armies all the while Chamberlain 'negotiated' with Hitler. He had the country preparing for the war he tried to avoid.

History just wasn't kind to him and in part because of the image of Churchill (who also portrayed Chamberlain poorly) as the lone voice against Germany when in reality plenty in Government knew what they were dealing with. It's only after more papers were declassified that the more balanced stuff come out.

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Agreed. When people criticise these courts, they are in danger of forgetting the very circumstances that made and make them necessary.

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Britain in talks to join the TPP to boost trade after Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-after-brexit

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We have had to put up with the bully boy tactics from Brussels for a long time, i can handle it till 2020. Then the bully can go do one. All bully's get their just deserts in the end :)

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A good negotiating tactic in my book.

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What bully boy tactics have we had to put up with? Do you have examples?

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Yeah they insisted that we couldn't have blue passp...... oh.

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Having a blue passport and being in the EU isn't a problem. Croatia have a blue passport. If that was the sole reason for Brexit, I really do despair.

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I think Mr Irony was visiting.... ;)

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another blatant lie

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It does not matter what colour it is for me as whether its orange with black spots , pink with blue spots or even al the colours of the rainbow it matters diddly squat.:)

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I think Remainers are the ones getting a bit precious at what colour the passport is over us Brexiteers, who don't care either way because it is NOT an issue when it comes to the corrupt EU.

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eh it the brexiteers that keep going on about blue passports like make no difference at all what colour there are and also the brexiteers that sport the blatant lie that EU made uk change colour of them when they could have kept it blue all along

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Yougov surgery on passport colour - https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/st...185924/photo/1

It’s a leave thing

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How can you speak on behalf of Brexiters?