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That's a fairly... significant figure in itself. Over 1/3 of all Londoners are foreign born?

:shocked:

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Hugh you've been warned before about bringing logic and facts in to emotive threads ;)

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I would imagine a sizeable chunk of foreign born Londoners are now UK citizens as opposed to being foreign nationals, some crimes are almost exclusively undertaken by immigrants from certain 'newer' EU countries.

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Indeed. It's " foreign nationals" that the article is about and the difficulty that the police have in finding out their backgrounds. But hey, let's not let what's written in the article get in the way of dismissing it. :D

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So what you're really* saying is that ALL foreigners are criminals...


;)

(* for 'really' substitute NOT...)

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Good point - this info breaks down London's population by nationality, and it show that foreign nationals make up 23% of London's population, which correlates with Breitbart's report that they are arrested for 28% of crimes.

http://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/po...-36517ae16627#

btw, being arrested is not the same as being guilty, no matter the nationality of the offender....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y

:D

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Not to worry, at least the Home Office is well on top of deporting the illegals they manage to a) detain and b) obtain removal authority for:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35888188

At least it's not like they've been telling us that for years is it... :rolleyes:

I don't suppose they'll keep changing departmental names every couple of years so as to distance themselves from their persistent failure either... :rolleyes:

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Meanwhile back in the superstate with no internal borders, the scale of the task at hand will soon be apparent for all to see, unless of course they don't want to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-eu-35848181

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The first man charged with the Brussels terror attacks is a migrant rights activist :dozey:

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Stange how nothing in the actual breitbart article actually backs up the headline, the nearest thing being

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Seriously?!


Paragraph 7:
Paragraph 8, 9 & 10:
Did you not read the article.....:confused: Or were you simply a little to eager to put down the source?

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Not the first time one of his "sources" has actually contradicted his point.;).

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That must make Jeremy Corbyn, Yvette Cooper, Heidi Allan, Andy Slaughter,and David Davies Migrant Rights Activists, as there are videos of them at refugee centres complaint about the conditions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6829701.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...avies-10053831

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...at-calais-camp

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...-a3149776.html
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You're quite amusing... ;)

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Honestly?
The Belgian investigation into the Brussels terror attacks suffered a serious setback after the only suspect to be charged was freed when police found no evidence to link him to the atrocity claimed by the Islamic State. :dozey:

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The way that some of them go on about migrants, yes, they could be. Luckily, they have day jobs as well.

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Dont you think they should have evidence to hold him?

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Yep. Hence my disgust at their ineptitude.
Sorry. Just realised that my comments could be interpreted incorrectly/differently. To clarify: They shouldn't have arrested him in the first place (it seems) and, yes, they should have had evidence. They seem to be a bit rubbish. Hence my emoji.....

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In further strange news: Many millions of Muslims 'fundamentally incompatible with the modern world', says Tony Blair

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Maybe they'll declare a fatwa against him. Could we be that lucky?

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Well if Salman Rushdie's 'suffering' at the hands of a fatwa is anything to go by I don't think Bliar will lose a wink of sleep. Most of the world had never heard of him until some religious nutters took offence at a book. Honestly you'd think their faith would see them through the 'ordeal' of a mere infidel's words...

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Cruise For 1,700 School Kids Ends In Tragedy As Migrant Passengers Gang-Rape Girl
The Swedes realy are screwed :(

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Are the Swedes intent on recreating Rotherham in Stockholm? :nutter:

Meanwhile, back on the front line where the EU has focussed all its energies on it's thoroughly thought through 'solution' to the migration problem:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35949685

... and in Willkommenland:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...attackers.html

I wonder what the German authorities propose doing to protect everyone else from the abusers and rapists inside the migrant camps?

I'm also wondering if, when the great share out of accepted refugees actually happens, Germany will be keen to share out some of the better educated, higher achieving or simply want to keep the best and dump the less welcome elsewhere in the EU...

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Higher achieving, I'd settle for non rapist

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That might be asking a bit much.

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meanwhile there will be blue birds over ........


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...te-cliffs.html

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I heard a guy from some charity or other bemoaning the UK's response to the migrant crisis earlier. He made the point that the UK is taking far fewer migrants than many other countries but what he conveniently forgot to mention was that unlike most other EU countries the UK is already being swamped by legal migration to the extent that a million people are added to the population every 3 years and that's just the official figure...

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Interesting data on the balance of EU vs. non-EU immigration here - http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...ion_statistics

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... and so it begins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35956836

It's going to get a lot harder methinks.

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EU Border Agency: 1.8m+ Illegal Migrants in 2015, ‘Staggering’ Number Of Jihadis'
:rolleyes:

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Many of us knew this all along of course. They have no idea who's in the EU or the UK for that matter and all the guff about robust borders is just that - guff.

Not only have they tried to hide their ineptitude, they've persistently deceived the public about the scale of the problem and are still at it for the most part. You only have to listen to May praising our border controls against the backdrop of lorry loads of migrants being discovered at motorway service stations all over the place to know that our borders are porous and they don't really have to will to do anything about it. Far easier to talk tough using weasel words...

The damage in the EU is done, the only question is how much has been done and how much more they will effectively allow to happen. If they continue to convey the message that the EU will accept anyone who claims to be fleeing war, abuse, persecution etc. then we shouldn't be surprised in many more migrants follow and the problems of integration, social unrest, criminality etc. that we've already seen escalate.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35982528

It may be an 'economic good' for some places but how does he intend to ensure that these migrants go where they're needed as opposed to pitching up on our doorstep where the minimum wages are higher and the benefits better? How do we prevent them adding further to the crippling demands imposed on the UK by legal net immigration running at over 1m every 3 years?

What about the numerous serious non-economic realities of rapid mass migration which we're seeing all over Europe? What social and other costs are attached to those?

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Most net immigration, 208,000, is from outside the EU. The EU is 187,000. Within both figures are very many students, much needed skilled workers and dependents of folk already here. The only group to have a negative effect on UK wages are those agricultural workers that the government has allowed unscrupulous bosses to pay less than the minimum wage.

Why did they do this? 1. To keep food prices down, 2. For the same reason they have allowed immigration to remain high. i.e. to create demand in the economy, to boost business start ups and to increase tax revenue. Indeed without high immigration we may still be in recession.

The disgusting thing about this that whilst the government has encouraged high immigration, its rhetoric has been in the opposite direction. (They lied to us and kidded us that austerity was saving the economy.) Just as bad is the fact that the didn't invest their increased tax receipts into help those areas hit hardest by immigration

Solution? 1. Enforce the minimum wage / living wage so that indigenous workers take up agricultural industry jobs currently being filled by cheap labour 2. Build an economy that is less dependent on immigration by a) Borrowing to invest education and skills training, infrastructure, science and technology and particularly in green technology.

Austerity holds the economy back and just gives an excuse for shrinking the state and for selling state services off to Tory mates.

Asylum seekers and refugees are an issue nothing to do with the EU, but having to be managed by the EU. Out of the EU there would still be our international obligation to support and take asylum seekers and refugees.

Because we are not in the Schengen area and because we have proper border controls we are able to stop known undesirables entering. If we invested more, not less , in border controls there would be far less illegals entering. That is a government problem, not an EU problem.

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I think our boder controls are working!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-sharply.html

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Except that we cannot apply visa requirements on any EU national, one of the first weapons in controlling who is allowed to come here. If someone arrives with an EU passport we are obliged to permit entry and with these being passed out like confetti in Germany any undesirable can come here.

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Citation required.

Meanwhile, I have to provide you with some facts that completely blows UKIP's Project Fear on our border control.

The current situation in Germany is that refugees who are accepted at the the border only get temporary citizenship. If, after 3 to 5 years after having to renew their citizenship annually, they have jobs and living a normal life they will be eligble to apply for permanent residency.

"Long-term residency is not enough to secure free movement rights

If refugees end up staying in Europe permanently they can acquire long-term resident status – subject to meeting certain conditions – as per the 2003 EU Directive on the status of non-EU nationals who are long-term residents. This gives them the same rights as that of EU member state’s nationals in certain areas, although it does not bestow an absolute right to free movement on par with EU nationals.

In any event, the UK, along with Ireland and Denmark, are exempt from this directive. This means that the UK does not have to allow non-EU nationals who are long-term residents of other member state into the UK if it does not want to. If it does allow them entry to the UK it is on the same basis as other non-EU nationals, i.e. meeting any relevant skills and income criteria. Therefore, the UK already has additional controls over immigration policy compared to other EU member states.http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/eu-migration-crisis-will-refugees-acquire-full-free-movement-rights"

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/...vement-rights/

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Covered under EU Freedom of movement

Additionally

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We all know the status of freedom of movement in Europe, but, you were talking about the imminent arrival or hordes of Syrian and Iraqi refugees from Germany. My correct information completely dissed you scare story.

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Imminent or not, the fact remains that we can't stop EU migration and that includes any refugees who're given ultimately given asylum. I don't know about you but I don't take much comfort from delaying the inevitable and with the numbers arriving in Greece still huge, how long do you think it'll be before new fast track measures are put in place to disperse them? If we're still inside the EU and bound by the free movement rules we can't do anything about that.

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I think that this womans efforts need publicizing in light of the EUs efforts to import millions of muslims: Feminists Need To Know — Islam Kills Women

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Pat Condell has commented on this very subject on Youtube recently.

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Taff - by pure co-incidence I just saw an old episode of UK Border Force in which a failed Chinese asylum seeker (with a partner and young child) running a takeaway in Wales was found to be illegally employing her cousin and a nanny both of whom arrived in the UK illegally.

When being questioned, the nanny claimed she'd paid Chinese gang-masters £25k and couldn't go back because she still owed them the money and would be at risk. Shortly afterwards she started complaining of chest pains. She was arrested but could not be detained by the police due to her claimed medical condition so was allowed out of custody on bail for one week and disappeared. The cousin subsequently admitted lying about his age (under 16) when interviewed earlier and was ordered to report weekly whilst awaiting deportation.

The employers who were also acting illegally could not be detained due to having the young child and subsequently renewed their application to remain in the UK. They were facing the prospect of being fined up to £40k for employing illegal workers but it was doubtful they had the means to repay the fines in any event.

Does anyone reckon it's any different now?...

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Black Belgians Refute ‘Poverty, Discrimination’ As Causes Of Arab Terror… It’s a ‘Cultural Value… We Hurt Nobody’

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That is total guesswork on your part based upon ill-founded hysteria. Even if refugees in other EU countries are, eventually, given permanent residency in other EU countries we are not part of the agreement to accept them here. Denmark and Ireland are also immune.

Belgium has an awful lot to learn about how to integrate immigrants. Their mistakes have been dire.

Other countries who have taken refugees and asylum seekers, whose current cultural frame of mind might be at odds with theirs, have made mistakes with distribution, housing them, education facilities, policing and enforcement and employing them.

These are people who have had to escape the horrors of total war, who rather be safe in their homeland and who have been pummeled with warped images of the west and have endured life under a Jihadist administration for many months. Coming to Europe has been a total culture shock. European countries should have anticipated this as they carried out their obligations of the Geneva Convention.

It is no use demonising these desperate and damaged people. We should be sheltering and nurturing them, whilst protecting ourselves. Not rocket science.


Unfortunately there are people in this discussion who have picked up on the disgraceful rhetoric of Farage, et al, who seems to have his speeches written for him by ISIS. ISIS rub their hands with glee at every sign of hate and misinformation directed at Muslim refugees. They love anything that destabilises European society or the EU. Why else do they bomb our cities and continue to drive refugees north? They have Farage and his ilk totally suckered, and at our expense.

We need to get a grip and work with other European countries, EU and non-EU. This is a global and continental problem that would exist without the EU.

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The UK had an opt-out from the "Working Time Directive" and that was bypassed by the EU to impose it anyway.

How is the behaviour of any asylum seekers that different from those born and bred here but have their origins in those countries? Sexual assault, rape, underage grooming, murder, terrorism etc are all present in BOTH sets. Most of them were perfectly safe in their countries, they just simply chose to come over. They are travelling long distances through these supposedly dangerous countries, eg Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq. They seem to be in the most danger once they've left those "dangerous" countries.

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Sorry it's certainly not hysteria to point out what's happening in the EU and what could so easily find its way here. As for demonising people, I have consistently stated here that we should be assisting genuine refugees closer to home. Sadly, the world is full of would be economic migrants and the more we allow to come here one way or another, the more will want to come and I couldn't care less what religion they are. That's not hysteria it's logic and it's happening right before our eyes in Greece now. To claim the UK will somehow remain 'immune' forever from the huge fallout of what's going on in Europe is naïve.

The rest of your post regarding ISIS and Farage is garbage and not worth commenting on.

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Yes, it is hysteria to point out a minority of failings and to appear to damn the whole process and a whole culture for it. You perhaps ought to chose your language more carefully so that you at least appear to have balanced sentiments. You perhaps ought to repeat your caveats about the majority of genuine refugees as you go. You can't expect folk to trawl through all your past texts.

Holding all the refugees in their first country of arrival is not sustainable because of the numbers involved. Many have to be taken by Europe and other continents. We have a combination of refugees escaping from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan; those escaping rising sea levels in the Mekong and Ganges Deltas; those escaping the political consequences of increasing droughts of the sub-Sahara and those who we can call typical economic migrants. This is highly complex and will only get worse over the next generation as global warming progresses. The thousands of Pacific and Indian Ocean Islands are very vulnerable as are many coastal communities. Where are they to go? As with Syria this is a global, not an EU problem. Syria and Africa just happen to be next door. We should also be thinking of not reducing foreign aid, but increasing it and targeting climate change mitigation and self help, without handing cash to corrupt officials. The consequences of not investing foreign aid now, cost far more later.

We would like to think that the Syrian / Iraqi situation can be managed in the medium term, with the return of peace, but the whole developed world working with the developing world needs a strategy to deal with the bigger problem in terms if rehousing, keeping migrants economically active and promoting the integration of uprooted peoples.

Don't get me onto neocons like Farage and climate deniers, who seem intent on making things far worse by opposing all attempts to reduce greenhouse emissions.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36009497

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More EU madness:

Linky

Just let them all pour in. :rolleyes:

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Don't fret, we're immune from all the EU's migration troubles remember... :rofl:

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The non-muslim ones aren't, but the muslim ones are (boko haram and others).

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Snag is, that most of them coming over are the not the non-Muslim kind.

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The former head of Britain’s Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), Trevor Phillips, has admitted he “got almost everything wrong” on Muslim immigration

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Imagine if someone like Trump had said those things :dozey:

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Forget Trump - imagine if a Tory minister had done it. :Yikes:

Farage has been derided, intimidated and abused for saying stuff far less critical but then gross overreaction and faux outrage have always been weapons of choice amongst the loony left and PC obsessed. They accuse others of demonising people but don't mind a bit of that themselves.

I like the way he talks about 'missed signs' and so on - a great many people who could see the signs all too clearly and dared to raise concerns about all this were routinely shouted down and demonised by people like him. They didn't want to hear what didn't suit their agenda and now we're paying the price of all that misguided PC madness and liberalism.

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I'm just happy that people like these two are finally speaking up.

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Me too but I'd be a lot happier if I thought those running the EU had similarly seen the error of their ways and reacted before this crisis in Europe was allowed to happen. As it is, a lot of damage has been done and only time will tell how much.

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In light of what's been said in that link, I'm not surprised that our liberal brethren here are silent. Let's recap:

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It's the same in my missus' hometown (Argenteuil, northwest of Paris). The very moderate Algerian muslims who have lived there for generations have been displaced en-masse by African and Middle Eastern muslim immigrants who have a totally different set of ideals.

The arrest there of a terrorist in the final stages of planning an attack shows how dangerous the place has become.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36029703

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Given the several failing economies of the Eurozone it looks like we have become the dumping ground for the EU's unemployed.

It seems the only way to make David Cameron honour his promise to cut immigration is to do it for him by voting to leave the EU allowing us in the UK to decide which immigrants are allowed to stay.

We can also get rid of a lot of the EU legislation restricting our progress.

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It may not be the case in some areas of the UK but around here homes are being built all over the place - often flats and apartments with limited outside space and insufficient parking for likely needs. With our infrastructure already bursting at the seams it all adds up to more pressure on services, schools, hospitals, roads, public transport and everything that goes with it. Rapid population growth is causing huge problems in places like London and so far as I can see there's no plan to do anything the uncontrolled migration that is the cause of much of it.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36042806

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it's the first time it's happened so far as I can see. I don't see this as a potentially significant problem but it'll be interesting to see where they actually sailed from and whether anyone else will try the same thing.

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It's probably happened before, but if an small inflatable overturns in the Channel, it's unlikely that it would be spotted, or any bodies seen/recovered.

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Yes you're probably right. These guys were only spotted due to the light from their mobile phone apparently.

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I thought I remembered similar stories before this and sure enough.
July 2015From 2001

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Shock map shows Schengen FAILURE as army tanks scramble to migrant borders
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...igrant-borders

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No tanks scrambling anywhere, just the support troopers and engineers that have been put on stand-by.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/flu...id4916198.html

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Friends in Sicily have been moaning about "thousands" arriving every day. And Sicilians don't like foreigners very much already.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36054840

Well it's reassuring to see how the EU has it all under control now. :rolleyes:

It's taken ages for them to formulate flawed plan A for Greece but where's the plan for Italy/Malta or didn't they expect a change in preferred route?

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I have to laugh.Most of these people"fleeing"seem to lose their passports with alarming frequency but seem to hang on to their mobile phones in a vice like grip.Should be the other way about methinks.

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The popes in Lesbos visiting migrant camps... I wonder how many of them he's allowing residency in Vatican City?

For that matter how many will try to sneek on board his plane :D

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from your mouth to his ears
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...isis-in-europe

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Well as we all know, words are cheap eh?

It'll be interesting to see who, amongst the great and the good who've offered direct support for refugees/migrants, will actually deliver and how long their hospitality will last...

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Pope Francis has taken 12 Syrian migrants back with him to the Vatican after visiting a camp on the Greek island of Lesbos.
The three families boarded the papal jet as the pontiff departed following his trip.
The Vatican said in a statement that Francis wanted to "make a gesture of welcome'' to the refugees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36063300

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Vatican must be short of cleaners :rolleyes:

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Bet some of the priests are hoping for some new young boys.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...es-beneath-pa/

Don't suppose it'll happen here...

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The police had done "practically nothing" to stop petty theft, break-ins, muggings and sexual offences. So locals got together to try to drive the illegals from their area. The police now say they are "very active" to prevent the illegals gathering and locating themselves in "restricted areas" around Paris.

But locals and commuters in the area all spoke to reporters stating that the police seem to be letting the situation get out of control. "They (the police) seem to want to contain the illegals in specific areas to prevent them spreading city wide".

The mayor said that "shanty towns" would be razed and cleared before they could become "the jungle of Paris". But he reported that clashes are occurring between Eastern Europeans and "youths from Africa and the Middle East" sleeping rough in the capital.

"Territories are being protected by factions that do not see eye-to-eye, much as with the gangs of Los Angeles. Their borders are defended and attacked daily, but are so fluid that the authorities do not know where the flashpoints will occur".

- Europe 1 radio.

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I don't suppose the French authorities want too many migrants dossing down in and making a mess of the nicer parts of Paris where the rich and influential live. As always it'll be the poorer areas and less affluent people who suffer the burden.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36080216

I thought mass uncontrolled migration could only be a good thing, a net benefit, something to be embraced, something to be proud of. :confused:

So with another 300,000 heading their way, Italy's existing poor/unemployed will have to compete with yet more of the world's needy whilst the Eurocrats carry on deluding themselves that they have a plan for dealing with this growing nightmare.

Would this migrant crisis be happening on this scale were it not for the EU?

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The problem for all the countries in the EU is that with sudden immigration on this scale no nation has the resources to absorb all the new immigrants.

In the UK with problems of housing, schools and the NHS we cannot even cater for the people already here never mind any new people from abroad. And that's with us supposedly having a strong economy. No doubt there will be similar problems in the other EU countries, particularly in those where the economy is not so strong!!

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Actually the Eastern European countries DO have the spare housing etc. After all, so many have come over here leaving behind empty houses.

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Unfortunately not many people want to go there, probably because there are no jobs or the benefits are poor.

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The E. European nations aren't going to want to take these people. They've already shown that and we already know where most of the migrants want to go. There's a huge problem brewing when someone finally has to start making the tough decisions about where Merkel's migrants are sent and how to ensure they remain there. Never mind eh. The EU's not broken is it...

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And now it's a turf war with the mafia....

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It's a good job vast amounts of resentment (on both sides) aren't being stored up isn't it because if that were the case it'd be reasonable to assume that it'll kick of sooner or later, big time. It won't affect us though... :rolleyes:

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Anyway, it's comforting to see that our borders are as robust as ever...

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/14...g/?ref=mr&lp=4

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36124256

There'll be more of this as the grand welcomes are forgotten.

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Well whatever happened to that Austrain welcome a few folks around here were extolling not so long ago?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36152927

Can you imagine what the UK would be accused of if we went down the same route?

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Rambling all over the middle east and europe, then turning up at the border of country you fancy, for whatever the reason, and claiming asylum is not adhering to the rules. So countries in that position are starting to reject asylum claims if you arrive from a "safe" country.

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Therein lies the biggest problem. The powers that be have effectively sent out the clear message that you can choose where you claim asylum and demand where you want to go. This was an exceptionally bad idea since vast numbers of economic migrants (and others with far more dangerous intent) in poor countries all around the world are now willing to take the chance that if they travel to Europe they have a very good chance of being let in and thereafter being free to 'disappear'. We can have great sympathy on an individual level for many of these people but what we can't do is take in everyone who'd like to live here because they're poor. Rather than have a clear and robust Europe wide policy which would have at least maintained some control of economic and illegal migration what we've done is

It's highly ironic that at a time of great terrorist threat, the EU, which seems intent on controlling just about everything we do in one way or another, was unable/unwilling to control something as fundamental as its border controls and is still tinkering around the edges with a box of sticking plasters. Frankly it beggars belief.

As a consequence of this abject failure we now have around the EU all sorts of problems ranging from the rise of extreme political parties to serious disputes between neighbouring countries and growing, increasingly widespread, social unrest. Yet despite all of this going on before our very own eyes, there are still those who say let them come, there should be no limits. The longer this goes on, the more serious the situation becomes and the less able we will be to stem the flow. There will be a point at which the damage being done will be irreversible and if/when that happens the consequences for our way of life will be serious.

I notice the new Austrian law:

But in practice how will that be achieved? Where are the 'rejects' going to go? Also, I'd have thought those whose asylum claims have been granted are hardly likely to sit around for 3 years in Austria waiting to be sent home to the life they fled...

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It doesn't surprise me that refugees and economic migrants might be over-represented in crime figures. They're in between a rock and a hard place in countries which, for whatever reason, can't or won't support them adequately. Clearly there will be criminals amongst their ranks but for those (the majority) who just wanted a better life, if they don't have jobs (or have very poor jobs) and are genuinely struggling to survive, what other choice do they realistically have? It's all very well 'welcoming' millions of people from all around the globe into the EU but unless there is adequate support, jobs, housing etc. and the reality in some way matches their expectations, I'd have thought you've created a recipe for a growing number of disaffected and hugely resentful people highly likely to turn to crime and social disorder and even become susceptible to radicalisation.

None of this has been thought through. I'd wager that in 10 years time the vast majority of those who've been allowed to come to the EU ere are a) still here and b) still overrepresented amongst the poorest sections of society, criminals etc. Well meaning but naïve people talk as if migrants will come, integrate, be accepted and live happily ever after when the reality for most will be very different. We can already see this across the UK and Europe where there have been various migrant influxes (e.g. post colonial) going back many decades and the subsequent creation of 'ghettos', underprivileged housing estates, no go areas, gang culture, ethnic rivalries etc. which has led to social unrest and riots. If it's already happening with the migrant communities we already have, how much more so when so many people have come so quickly and need so much help?

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:confused:
And what exactly should we be providing that would avoid the rape of a 10 year old boy?

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You've lost me there. :shrug:

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I think that Nomad believes you are being too easy on the migrants.

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Blimey that's a first. :rofl:

I'll reiterate for him. We shouldn't be letting millions of migrants into the EU. Criminals should be treated like criminals whether migrants or not. The sort of behaviour a good number of them are exhibiting is disgusting and a serious problem which is becoming a threat to our way of life. The EU in general and Merkel in particular have created a huge Europe-wide problem and are still dithering about what to do having opened the floodgates. Our support for migrants should be focussed as close to their places or origin as possible and asylum only given to the most desperate. We cannot give sanctuary to all the world's persecuted, poor or needy and must give due regard to our way of life and the needs or our people. Those who have gained entry into the EU need to be processed as quickly as possible and the economic migrants returned to their places of origin. If we fail to do this and considerably strengthen the EU's borders, countless more will follow. Realistically there's little which can be done about the refugees who've made it into the EU now. The chances of them being sent back to a pile of ruins in Syria or wherever is remote but if they are going to be allowed to make new lives here we can only hope the powers that be make a better job of integrating them into our way of life than appears to have been the case to date. Unless we get to grips with this problem it's only going to get worse and require even more drastic action sooner or later. I'd rather we didn't wait until it's too late.

I think that's it. Phew! ;)

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You were blaming poverty, when they are vastly overrepresented in crimes that have nothing to do with it. You said, "They're in between a rock and a hard place in countries which, for whatever reason, can't or won't support them adequately.", stating that the countries weren't providing for their "needs", eg a "sexual emergency"?