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Chris 19-02-2012 21:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384734)
Always found it odd that the Sundays have a different staff. How do they fund it all for a once a week paper? Do only a small minority stay exclusive to the Sunday title in order to get the big stories and the rest pitch in with the other content?
They have a different staff because they are a different business with a different product.

There tends to be a greater emphasis on investigation and feature pieces in a Sunday paper. The NOTW, to take a topical example, was proud of its emphasis on crime fighting.

People misunderstand Sunday papers because they assume, from the title, that they are basically an extension of the daily paper. They are more easily understood when viewed for what they are - a weekly publication, with staffing levels and production schedules to match (not unlike the regional weekly title I used to write for, although we came out on a Friday rather than a Sunday).

And don't for a minute think that staff at the Sun on Sunday will stand at the water cooler telling the hacks at the daily paper what exclusives they'll be running that week. Competition between the two will be intense.

Damien 19-02-2012 21:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384738)
They have a different staff because they are a different business with a different product.

There tends to be a greater emphasis on investigation and feature pieces in a Sunday paper. The NOTW, to take a topical example, was proud of its emphasis on crime fighting.

People misunderstand Sunday papers because they assume, from the title, that they are basically an extension of the daily paper. They are more easily understood when viewed for what they are - a weekly publication, with staffing levels and production schedules to match (not unlike the regional weekly title I used to write for, although we came out on a Friday rather than a Sunday).

And don't for a minute think that staff at the Sun on Sunday will stand at the water cooler telling the hacks at the daily paper what exclusives they'll be running that week. Competition between the two will be intense.
I understand they are different. I just never understood why such an arrangement existed in the first place. I am guessing that historically the Sunday papers were around longer and were bigger. As time goes on I would have thought it's not fiscally sensible to continue to staff two separate papers, especially when the latter is sold just once a week.

Chris 19-02-2012 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384745)
I understand they are different. I just never understood why such an arrangement existed in the first place. I am guessing that historically the Sunday papers were around longer and were bigger. As time goes on I would have thought it's not fiscally sensible to continue to staff two separate papers, especially when the latter is sold just once a week.
Your assumption appears to be based on the erroneous assumption that staff on a weekly paper basically do nothing all week, and spring into action mid-morning each Saturday. ;)

As a matter of fact there may once have been a fair bit of truth in that, but Murdoch put paid to a lot of the old practices.

Any weekly paper will have staff levels set at the level appropriate to the pattern of work during the week. There could well be a degree of shared workload when it comes to filing inconsequential bits and pieces of news copy that fill the gaps on the pages in the daily and the Sunday papers, but the bulk of the work on a Sunday paper is the big-hitting investigative stuff and there's no substitute for man hours when it comes to pulling all that together (especially now they can no longer gather their information by simply blagging, or hacking voicemails).

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Breaking: Sun on Sunday launches this coming weekend.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17092863

Digital Fanatic 20-02-2012 00:04
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Yuk! The Sun is a vile paper.. the last thing we need is a Sunday edition :(

Chris 20-02-2012 00:08
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It's still difficult to tell, but from the article on the Sun website it's looking like they're going for a seventh daily edition rather than a traditional Sunday paper.

Digital Fanatic 20-02-2012 00:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384783)
It's still difficult to tell, but from the article on the Sun website it's looking like they're going for a seventh daily edition rather than a traditional Sunday paper.
Well, I won't be buying it, so it makes no odds to me :)

denphone 20-02-2012 05:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35384784)
Well, I won't be buying it, so it makes no odds to me :)
l never bought it after the Hillsborough disaster and l sure ain't buying it now either.:td::td:

TheDaddy 20-02-2012 07:25
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384328)
Not quite the same experience as my step father then, who's experience includes:
Reporter
Political editor for a newspaper
Editor of two local papers
Editor of a national magazine
Press officer to the leader of a major political party
Press officer for the BBC
Interesting cv your step father has, my grandfather was a sub editor on the Times for 20 odd years and held the same position at the Express and IIRC Telelgraph for many years at a time to and some of my sister and I's fondest childhood memories are of creating havoc down Fleet Street way and you know what I know about news papers, bugger all except how to read them.

Damien 20-02-2012 08:57
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Anyway, The Sun on Sunday will be sold this coming...err..Sunday. I don't really agree with the outrage over it, they are entitled to publish a paper on Sunday. The time since the closure of the NOTW combined with the loss of a big name brand means this wasn't a cynical ploy either.

Maggy 20-02-2012 09:56
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I don't think Murdoch is a fit and proper person to be in charge of any part of his media empire.However I suspect that he'll emerge battered,tainted but uncharged after all the investigations and inquiries have finished.Everyone else will have their reputations shredded though as a sacrifice.

What I am hoping is that politicians have learned the lesson that getting too cosy with any journalist/newspaper/media organisation is not a good idea and that perhaps not sleeping around/having a hand in the public till/committing fraud might actually keep them clear of being manipulated by said media as a consequence.

I'm also hoping that the Met and other police forces will get their houses in order and finally sort out the corruption that has crept into their ranks because of the media and that the rest of us will start to take the idea of data protection rather more seriously than we do now.

Maggy 20-02-2012 10:27
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35384861)
I don't think any group or individuals emerge untainted by this. As you say, I think they'll all be a bit more careful about being so cosy with each-other, at least for a while.

Whilst not defending Murdoch's practices or those of his papers, we must remember that without his money and drive it's unlikely that BSkyB would be a serious contender in the broadcast field and that we would all be the poorer for that.
We are the poorer for it..Because of his dominance the only true contender against his influence, public broadcasting in the shape of the BBC has been emasculated due to his influence on successive governments.

gba93 20-02-2012 10:49
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384863)
We are the poorer for it..Because of his dominance the only true contender against his influence, public broadcasting in the shape of the BBC has been emasculated due to his influence on successive governments.
:clap::clap::clap:

Tim Deegan 20-02-2012 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35384888)
source

Hardly emasculated with a garanteed income, backed up by the law, every government of recent times extending the charter seemingly on-the-nod and an 81% news takeup.
The problem is that the BBC is more or less on a fixed budget due to it's income coming from license fees. BSkyB has it's hands free to operate more as a business.

This is why the BBC funding is outdated, and TV licenses need to be scrapped.

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384135)
Historically the NOTW was not a sister Sunday paper for the Sun.If it had been it would have been called The Sunday Sun or the Sun on Sunday.

It was called the name it had carried for 168 years.The News of the World.
Well It had become a Sunday edition of The Sun from 1969 until 2011, The Sun on Sunday is the sucessor to the NOTW!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384852)
I don't think Murdoch is a fit and proper person to be in charge of any part of his media empire.However I suspect that he'll emerge battered,tainted but uncharged after all the investigations and inquiries have finished.Everyone else will have their reputations shredded though as a sacrifice.

What I am hoping is that politicians have learned the lesson that getting too cosy with any journalist/newspaper/media organisation is not a good idea and that perhaps not sleeping around/having a hand in the public till/committing fraud might actually keep them clear of being manipulated by said media as a consequence.

I'm also hoping that the Met and other police forces will get their houses in order and finally sort out the corruption that has crept into their ranks because of the media and that the rest of us will start to take the idea of data protection rather more seriously than we do now.
I still bet he will come back and takeover BSkyB!

Tim Deegan 20-02-2012 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384916)
Well It had become a Sunday edition of The Sun from 1969 until 2011, The Sun on Sunday is the sucessor to the NOTW!

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I still bet he will come back and takeover BSkyB!
It's not often I say this, but I agree with you Alan.

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35384861)
I don't think any group or individuals emerge untainted by this. As you say, I think they'll all be a bit more careful about being so cosy with each-other, at least for a while.

Whilst not defending Murdoch's practices or those of his papers, we must remember that without his money and drive it's unlikely that BSkyB would be a serious contender in the broadcast field and that we would all be the poorer for that.
If BSkyB was not around then we would still have more Free-to-Air Sport and Great US Drama and Films :td:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35384888)
source

Hardly emasculated with a garanteed income, backed up by the law, every government of recent times extending the charter seemingly on-the-nod and an 81% news takeup.
But a News International/BSkyB would make more money than the BBC!

But I am not against a News Corp takeover of BSkyB, because they effectively own it!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384908)
The problem is that the BBC is more or less on a fixed budget due to it's income coming from license fees. BSkyB has it's hands free to operate more as a business.

This is why the BBC funding is outdated, and TV licenses need to be scrapped.
No, I feel that the BBC should take full control of the licence fee from the Government!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384918)
It's not often I say this, but I agree with you Alan.
Your welcome! :angel:

denphone 20-02-2012 12:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384916)
Well It had become a Sunday edition of The Sun from 1969 until 2011, The Sun on Sunday is the sucessor to the NOTW!

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I still bet he will come back and takeover BSkyB!
Well that remains to be seen.

Maggy 20-02-2012 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384916)



I still bet he will come back and takeover BSkyB!
No that's dead in the water..Provided we the public keep petitioning about it..and we keep it in the public domain.

Being fatalistic/complacent is not an option.Otherwise in no time the SOB will own the government again.:mad:

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384936)
No that's dead in the water..Provided we the public keep petitioning about it..and we keep it in the public domain.

Being fatalistic/complacent is not an option.Otherwise in no time the SOB will own the government again.:mad:
The government is still in bed with News Corp and if people wanted to stop a BSkyB takeover by News Corp then they should have campained against a BSB/Sky merge in the 1990s. A 100% takeover of BSkyB by News Corp will make no diffrence, since News Corp has pretty much controled BSkyB from day 1!

Pierre 20-02-2012 12:45
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I wont be buying the Sunday ****.

Maggy 20-02-2012 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384958)
The government is still in bed with News Corp and if people wanted to stop a BSkyB takeover by News Corp then they should have campained against a BSB/Sky merge in the 1990s. A 100% takeover of BSkyB by News Corp will make no diffrence, since News Corp has pretty much controled BSkyB from day 1!
It will make a difference.It becomes a monopoly and Murdoch will own our democracy thereafter.

Why don't you join in by signing all the petitions against Murdoch's plans concerned with BSkyB.That's the way to let the government know how we feel.Better than wringing hands and saying nothing can be done.:rolleyes::mad::mad:

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35384962)
I wont be buying the Sunday ****.
Same Here, I will not be Buying The Sun and The Sun on Sunday for a long, long time...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384968)
It will make a difference.It becomes a monopoly and Murdoch will own our democracy thereafter.

Why don't you join in by signing all the petitions against Murdoch's plans concerned with BSkyB.That's the way to let the government know how we feel.Better than wringing hands and saying nothing can be done.:rolleyes::mad::mad:
BSkyB is already part of the Murdoch "family" of companies since 1990, they already have a monopoly and have owned our democracy (along with the USA one) for a long long time!!!

If you want real change, campain to ban the Murdoch family to be kicked out of News Corp!

Maggy 20-02-2012 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384974)
Same Here, I will not be Buying The Sun and The Sun on Sunday for a long, long time...

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BSkyB is already part of the Murdoch "family" of companies since 1990, they already have a monopoly and have owned our democracy (along with the USA one) for a long long time!!!

If you want real change, campain to ban the Murdoch family to be kicked out of News Corp!
So did you sign any of the petitions?

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 13:03
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384979)
So did you sign any of the petitions?
I signed this one:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/end_the_murd...082717&v=12622

gba93 20-02-2012 13:15
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35384916)
I still bet he will come back and takeover BSkyB!
Unfortunately I suspect you may well be right :(

Maggy 20-02-2012 15:08
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35384991)
Unfortunately I suspect you may well be right :(
Then don't buy any of his papers or his other media interests.

Damien 20-02-2012 15:19
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I have a online subscription to The Times. It's worth it. As well as paying for Sky TV.

Alan Fry 20-02-2012 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35385077)
I have a online subscription to The Times. It's worth it. As well as paying for Sky TV.
I also subscribe to the The Times/Sunday Times and to Sky Sports/Movies on VM

gba93 20-02-2012 17:56
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35385070)
Then don't buy any of his papers or his other media interests.
:angel: I don't

Maggy 23-02-2012 12:06
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

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Cherie Blair, the wife of former Prime Minister Tony Blair, has begun legal action over what she says was the interception of her private phone messages, her lawyer said on Wednesday.
It just keeps going..

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http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/

The official website of the Leveson Inquiry.

Alan Fry 23-02-2012 12:20
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35386848)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/wo...nt&tntemail1=y



It just keeps going..

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http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/

The official website of the Leveson Inquiry.
Yet Tony Blair is a close friend of Rupert Murdoch! :D

denphone 23-02-2012 13:09
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35386897)
What goes around, comes around.

Now that's one person I'd like to see mired in this. Somehow teflon Tony and his ill gottem £millions will wriggle out of it though. :(
Well its not just Tony but also many others from all political persuasions as well you know.:)

Alan Fry 23-02-2012 15:16
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386898)
Well its not just Tony but also many others from all political persuasions as well you know.:)
Both Labour and Conservative! :D

denphone 23-02-2012 15:21
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35386975)
Both Labour and Conservative! :D
Yes spot on.

denphone 24-02-2012 16:48
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More news on the News international scandal as Rupert Murdoch's News International has been accused of preparing to delete emails as fresh allegations of phone hacking against the News of the World emerged in 2009 and 2010.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...on-policy.html

Tim Deegan 24-02-2012 16:59
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35385105)
I also subscribe to the The Times/Sunday Times and to Sky Sports/Movies on VM
Isn't that a bit hypocritical, as you hate the guy so much?

denphone 24-02-2012 17:01
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35387636)
Isn't that a bit hypocritical, as you hate the guy so much?
Well its alright him preaching to others but the proof is in preaching it to himself,

Alan Fry 25-02-2012 14:47
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35387636)
Isn't that a bit hypocritical, as you hate the guy so much?
Sadly, yes it is, but The Times is a good newspaper (I also read The Guardian, Independent and Evening Standard) and There is not many alternatives to Sky Movies/Sports! (ideally I would have preferred theses movie/sports rights to owned by the BBC)

Maggy 26-02-2012 19:36
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http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/

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Hearings for module 2 of the Inquiry (the relationships between the press and police and the extent to which that has operated in the public interest) will begin on Monday February 27.
Should be even more interesting than module 1.

Tim Deegan 26-02-2012 20:47
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35388103)
Sadly, yes it is, but The Times is a good newspaper (I also read The Guardian, Independent and Evening Standard) and There is not many alternatives to Sky Movies/Sports! (ideally I would have preferred theses movie/sports rights to owned by the BBC)
Well I thought that someone like you would stick to their principles, and make sacrifices to do so. :rolleyes:

Maggy 26-02-2012 21:02
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I suggest we try not to muddy this thread with off topic personal digs..

Tim Deegan 26-02-2012 21:33
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35388860)
I suggest we try not to muddy this thread with off topic personal digs..
Sorry Maggy, but that was not intended as a personal dig at all.

Alan Fry 27-02-2012 12:10
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35388852)
Well I thought that someone like you would stick to their principles, and make sacrifices to do so. :rolleyes:
The trouble it that they charge for their Website, and they hold the lions share of the Movies and Sports rights!

BenMcr 27-02-2012 12:12
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Oops

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...yments-leveson

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Hours after Rupert Murdoch's defiant gamble of launching a Sunday edition of the Sun, the head of the police investigations into illegal behaviour by journalists spelled out startling details of what she called a "culture of illegal payments" at the title.

Alan Fry 27-02-2012 12:16
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35389164)
Do I see the the closure of The Sun and The Sun on Sunday pretty soon? :D

denphone 27-02-2012 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389169)
Do I see the the closure of The Sun and The Sun on Sunday pretty soon? :D
The simple answer to that is no.

Alan Fry 27-02-2012 12:58
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35389196)
The simple answer to that is no.
Which is a great shame, it make the UK a better place :(

denphone 27-02-2012 13:04
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Some interesting stuff coming out in the Leveson Inquiry as the evidence suggests network of corrupt officials.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438

Maggy 27-02-2012 14:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35389211)
Some interesting stuff coming out in the Leveson Inquiry as the evidence suggests network of corrupt officials.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Quote:
News Corporation chairman and chief executive Rupert Murdoch issued a statement insisting the practices were "ones of the past, and no longer exist at the Sun".
Of course he would..However he has said he was unaware of such practices at the time so how can we be sure that it won't happen again? Just what has he done to ensure it won't happen again?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17178550

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Charlotte Church says she was "sickened and disgusted" by what she discovered during her legal action against News International over phone hacking.
Ms Church and her parents have agreed damages and costs of £600,000 with News Group Newspapers - publishers of the defunct News of the World.
The High Court heard the singer's phone was hacked when she was 16 years old.
I suppose we should be pleased that they waited until she was 16.:rolleyes:

Damien 27-02-2012 14:54
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New e-mails show that Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were warned in 2006 of phone hacking by staff at NOTW.

Sirius 27-02-2012 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389207)
Which is a great shame, it make the UK a better place :(
why

Derek 27-02-2012 18:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35389211)
Some interesting stuff coming out in the Leveson Inquiry as the evidence suggests network of corrupt officials.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Journalists pay people for information. One of the biggest media organisations had a large number of sources.

Hardly earth shattering news. :dozey:

Does anyone think this has stopped in any way?

Damien 28-02-2012 08:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35389436)
Journalists pay people for information. One of the biggest media organisations had a large number of sources.

Hardly earth shattering news. :dozey:

Does anyone think this has stopped in any way?
I think there is a difference between paying for a tip-off or certain information and maintaining a network of sources, some in sensitive posts, to provide you with a stream of information. The former would suggest a system were corruption can be exposed, the latter would suggest a system whereby those sources would routinely seek out information that they could sell to the paper. The former would led to stories like the expenses scandal whereas the latter would lead to minor stories about celebrities having children, getting arrested or having health issues. It leads to photographers being present at the arrest of a public figure.

I think the more interesting story from yesterday was the executives being aware of phone hacking as early as 2006. If you remember back in 2008 when this story first broke and was subsequently denied by News International in very strong terms, accusing The Guardian of misleading the public. The NOTW and Brooks called for the editor to resign and yet they knew all along it was true. The police spent a matter of hours looking at the new evidence and said there wasn't any. Suddenly, the same evidence has led to one of the biggest police operations ever with many arrests and many to come. :rolleyes:

I still want to see senior police officers, those who decided not to go after News International, investigated.

Alan Fry 28-02-2012 09:07
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35389373)
why
Because they are both trashy newspapers who's sole purpose is as a mouthpiece of the Murdoch's!

Maggy 28-02-2012 09:36
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35389728)
I still want to see senior police officers, those who decided not to go after News International, investigated.
Agreed!

Tim Deegan 28-02-2012 11:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35389728)
I think there is a difference between paying for a tip-off or certain information and maintaining a network of sources, some in sensitive posts, to provide you with a stream of information. The former would suggest a system were corruption can be exposed, the latter would suggest a system whereby those sources would routinely seek out information that they could sell to the paper. The former would led to stories like the expenses scandal whereas the latter would lead to minor stories about celebrities having children, getting arrested or having health issues. It leads to photographers being present at the arrest of a public figure.

I think the more interesting story from yesterday was the executives being aware of phone hacking as early as 2006. If you remember back in 2008 when this story first broke and was subsequently denied by News International in very strong terms, accusing The Guardian of misleading the public. The NOTW and Brooks called for the editor to resign and yet they knew all along it was true. The police spent a matter of hours looking at the new evidence and said there wasn't any. Suddenly, the same evidence has led to one of the biggest police operations ever with many arrests and many to come. :rolleyes:

I still want to see senior police officers, those who decided not to go after News International, investigated.
:clap::clap:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389732)
Because they are both trashy newspapers who's sole purpose is as a mouthpiece of the Murdoch's!
Didn't you say you read the Times??

Alan Fry 28-02-2012 12:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35389820)
:clap::clap:

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Didn't you say you read the Times??
The Times is better than the The Sun!!!

Tim Deegan 28-02-2012 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389856)
The Times is better than the The Sun!!!
But isn't the Times also Murdoch's mouthpiece??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389732)
Because they are both trashy newspapers who's sole purpose is as a mouthpiece of the Murdoch's!

Alan Fry 28-02-2012 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35389880)
But isn't the Times also Murdoch's mouthpiece??
The Times is less directly managed than The Sun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International

Tim Deegan 28-02-2012 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389882)
The Times is less directly managed than The Sun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International
And you know that for sure do you??

Alan Fry 28-02-2012 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35389900)
And you know that for sure do you??
Editors are on the board of "Times Newspapers", but not on "News Group" but they are still owned by Murdoch!

Tim Deegan 28-02-2012 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35389904)
Editors are on the board of "Times Newspapers", but not on "News Group" but they are still owned by Murdoch!
And you think that the Times wouldn't print what their owner wanted them to???

Alan Fry 28-02-2012 13:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35389907)
And you think that the Times wouldn't print what their owner wanted them to???
No, They will what their owner wanted them to!

But he has more involvement with The Sun!

Maggy 28-02-2012 17:21
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Get back on topic which is the News International scandal and illegal activities in the press industry, not what papers you read and their merits.

Maggy 28-02-2012 23:03
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One off topic post removed.Any more and infractions will be handed out.

Maggy 29-02-2012 09:15
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

Quote:
It was a story that London’s scandal-hungry tabloids, reeling for months from the scandal in their own backyard, could scarcely have dreamed up: Scotland Yard lending a retired police horse to the editor of one of Rupert Murdoch’s newspapers at a time when the Murdoch tabloids were under investigation for the illegal phone hacking that has shaken Scotland Yard and the Murdoch papers to the core.It now appears to have been an innocent act of animal welfare, but celebrities and their animals are traditionally strong tabloid fodder
That's the US slant.

This is the UK stance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17200560

Quote:
A police horse lent to Rebekah Brooks by Scotland Yard was returned in a "poor condition", the Met has said.
The former News International chief executive, who remains on bail on suspicion of phone hacking and corruption, was lent the horse in 2008.
The horse, named Raisa, was returned aged 24 to the police force in 2010.
A Met spokesman said: "When the horse was returned, Raisa was regarded by officers from Mounted Branch to be in a poor but not serious condition."
The spokesman said Mrs Brooks had asked to home a retired police horse in 2007.
I suppose the scandal here was that this took place across one of the original phone hacking 'investigations' and is an example of the cosiness between the Met and the press.

Digital Fanatic 29-02-2012 14:40
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James Murdoch quits News International

Quote:
James Murdoch has stepped down as executive chairman of News International, the UK newspaper business that owns the Sun and the Times titles.

The newspaper publisher has been tainted by phone-hacking allegations.

The scandal led the company to close its former News of the World title in July last year.

Mr Murdoch will remain as deputy chief operating officer of parent group News Corporation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17209375

Don't panic everyone. In a few short weeks he'll be relaunched as James Murdoch on Sunday. :p:

richard1960 29-02-2012 14:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35390502)
James Murdoch quits News International



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17209375
Jusr running an interview with former Newspaper man David Banks on Radio Five Live about this hardly surprisng really after his performaces DF

He will be remembered as the man who "knew nothing" :erm:

Sirius 29-02-2012 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35390502)
James Murdoch quits News International
Excellent

RizzyKing 29-02-2012 17:09
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If only we could get rid of murdoch senior then i would be very happy the man has long overspent his time involved with the UK public.

Maggy 29-02-2012 18:49
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Again? How many times can you resign from the same organisation? :confused:

---------- Post added at 18:49 ---------- Previous post was at 18:26 ----------

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17211965

Quote:
"You don't need more than one Murdoch in charge".
That is what a senior News Corporation executive said to me in explanation for why James Murdoch has quit as chairman of News International, the UK operations of the Murdochs' News Corporation.
What he meant is that Rupert Murdoch, with the launch of The Sun on Sunday, is showing that he is back overseeing the group's British newspapers.
Hmm! Then there will be no one else to carry the can/be a sacrificial lamb.

Alan Fry 01-03-2012 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35390502)
James Murdoch quits News International



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17209375

Don't panic everyone. In a few short weeks he'll be relaunched as James Murdoch on Sunday. :p:
He is still in charge of BSkyB! :D

He will also take over from his Dad! :D

Remember He is Michael and his father is Vito!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35390615)
Again? How many times can you resign from the same organisation? :confused:

---------- Post added at 18:49 ---------- Previous post was at 18:26 ----------

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17211965



Hmm! Then there will be no one else to carry the can/be a sacrificial lamb.
Well in News Corp they have 3 Murodochs running the company! (Rupert and his children Elisabeth and James)

Maggy 01-03-2012 15:26
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:rolleyes:

Tezcatlipoca 01-03-2012 18:35
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James Murdoch rejoins News International as James Murdoch on Sunday

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewsThump
After quitting his role as executive chairman of News International yesterday, James Murdoch has today rejoined the organisation in exactly the same capacity, but under the new name of James Murdoch on Sunday.

He will continue to oversee the operations of the discredited media empire, but due to his name change is now totally dissociated from the massive web of phone-hacking and corruption that led to his resignation.

(snip)

Tim Deegan 01-03-2012 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35391245)
Well that will fool them...how with they catch up with him now?? :D

Maggy 01-03-2012 20:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35391245)
:bsmack:

It is hard enough keeping up with the twist and turns as it is..:PP:

devilincarnate 01-03-2012 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35391308)
Well that will fool them...how with they catch up with him now?? :D
Work on a weekend?

devilincarnate 07-03-2012 18:53
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Quote:
© PA Images / John Stillwell/PA Wire
Two journalists at The Sun have reportedly been hospitalised after apparent suicide attempts.

A source told the Evening Standard that Rupert Murdoch has ordered News International to pay for the medical expenses for the reporters.

The alleged incidents occur amid investigations into alleged bribery of public officials by journalists at The Sun, which has led to the arrests of 11 current and former staff at the paper.

Three sources also confirmed to Reuters the alleged suicide attempt by two senior reporters.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...-attempts.html

Looks like they are starting to implode in the company . I do hope that the peeps and the families get the help needed (although that I hate the journalists that were involved in all of this)

Maggy 07-03-2012 21:04
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...d-damian-green

Quote:
Robert Quick, formerly Britain's top counter-terrorism officer, has alleged that his senior Scotland Yard colleagues buckled under Conservative party pressure and withdrew their support for an investigation of a Tory frontbench spokesman who had received leaks which allegedly endangered national security.
Quick told the Leveson inquiry on Wednesday that the arrest in 2008 of the Conservative immigration spokesperson, Damian Green, sparked outrage from senior Tories and Conservative-leaning papers. Quick said the furore led the then acting commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson to ask him to halt the criminal investigation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...win-quick-live

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...olice-evidence

Quote:
The attorney general is examining whether the head of Scotland Yard's investigation into illegal news gathering has prejudiced fair trials for any journalists involved through her evidence to the Leveson inquiry.
Dominic Grieve's office is scrutinising the testimony made by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers 10 days ago amid concerns that her comments were potentially in contempt of court.
Quote:
The Guardian understands the attorney general has received at least one complaint raising concerns that Akers's evidence – given in the midst of a criminal inquiry – could be in breach of the Contempt of Court Act and could prejudice further legal action against any of the individuals arrested. Lawyers for the attorney are investigating.
Interesting turn of developments.I wonder who thought it was worth turning to the Attorney General?

Damien 07-03-2012 22:08
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Oh the irony if the inquiry frees those arrested.

I am not especially concerned with the foot soliders in this. I still am concerned at those in the higher reaches of the police service that allowed News International such leeway and didn't investigate them when The Guardian broke the story in '09.

Alan Fry 08-03-2012 14:09
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I bet The Guardian has been doing well!

denphone 08-03-2012 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35395515)
I bet The Guardian has been doing well!
The Guardian is a excellent newspaper and well worth a read Alan.

roughbeast 08-03-2012 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35395515)
I bet The Guardian has been doing well!
So it should. There aren't many mainstream publications defending our democracy as The Guardian is doing.

You could argue that The Telegraph did well out of the MP's expenses scandal then, and broke the law in doing so. Good for them, and us.

None of these cases compares with the grossly offensive act of making money out of hacking murder victim's phones or indeed cashing in on Paris Hilton's chihuahua.

Alan Fry 08-03-2012 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35395788)
The Guardian is a excellent newspaper and well worth a read Alan.
Hence why I read it

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35395891)
So it should. There aren't many mainstream publications defending our democracy as The Guardian is doing.

You could argue that The Telegraph did well out of the MP's expenses scandal then, and broke the law in doing so. Good for them, and us.

None of these cases compares with the grossly offensive act of making money out of hacking murder victim's phones or indeed cashing in on Paris Hilton's chihuahua.
Certainly the media (and the UK) should be more like The Guardian, Telegraph, BBC and Channel 4 and less like The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sky, ITV and Channel 5

denphone 09-03-2012 07:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35396002)
Hence why I read it

---------- Post added at 22:27 ---------- Previous post was at 22:24 ----------



Certainly the media (and the UK) should be more like The Guardian, Telegraph, BBC and Channel 4 and less like The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sky, ITV and Channel 5
Glad you read it Alan.

Itshim 09-03-2012 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35396002)
Hence why I read it

---------- Post added at 22:27 ---------- Previous post was at 22:24 ----------



Certainly the media (and the UK) should be more like The Guardian, Telegraph, BBC and Channel 4 and less like The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sky, ITV and Channel 5
what an odd grouping. The Guardian & BBC V Telegraph ( never ever watch Channel 4 news) but that seems to be left v right to me. I go for the "I" & Euronews( at least there you have to think for your self:shocked:)

Alan Fry 09-03-2012 09:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35396118)
what an odd grouping. The Guardian & BBC V Telegraph ( never ever watch Channel 4 news) but that seems to be left v right to me. I go for the "I" & Euronews( at least there you have to think for your self:shocked:)
It is more quality media vs trashy media

devilincarnate 09-03-2012 19:02
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It gets better and better?

Quote:
James Murdoch is facing a new challenge over his position as chairman of Sky, after Ofcom launched a "fit and proper" person test against the News Corporation executive in the wake of phone hacking and corrupt payments scandals.

Earlier in the year, the media regulator set up Project Apple, a group of seven or eight staff dedicated to the assessment of whether News Corporation should be allowed to retain its 39.1% controlling stake in the pay-TV satellite broadcaster.

Should Ofcom conclude that Murdoch or News Corp are not 'fit and proper', it could threaten to revoke Sky's TV licence in the UK, forcing it to stop broadcasting to viewers until Murdoch steps down from the board or News Corp sells the stake.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...-by-ofcom.html

Maggy 09-03-2012 19:13
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Being discussed here.Better to discuss this there and leave this thread for the hacking and other dark arts tales.:)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...r-inquiry.html

devilincarnate 09-03-2012 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35396628)
Being discussed here.Better to discuss this there and leave this thread for the hacking and other dark arts tales.:)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...r-inquiry.html
Thank you Maggy just delete my post then.

denphone 13-03-2012 09:25
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More arrests in Operation Weeting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17349578

Quote:
Six people have been arrested by detectives investigating phone hacking allegations against journalists, Scotland Yard has said.

The arrests took place at addresses in London, Oxfordshire, Hampshire and Hertfordshire.

Police said five men and one woman were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

BenMcr 13-03-2012 11:06
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Oooops

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...-investigation

Quote:
Rebekah Brooks among six arrested in phone-hacking investigation

Former Sun editor held by Operation Weeting detectives on suspicion of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice

Stuart 13-03-2012 12:04
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The BBC have a very interesting (and interactive) graph that explains who is linked to who in the case and why.. It does require Flash, and it's actually quite scary how much access the Murdochs and Rebekah Brooks had to David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and Ed Milliband.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14846456

BenMcr 13-03-2012 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35398501)
The BBC have a very interesting (and interactive) graph that explains who is linked to who in the case and why.. It does require Flash, and it's actually quite scary how much access the Murdochs and Rebekah Brooks had to David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and Ed Milliband.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14846456
Looking at that I'm not too worring about the 'work' connections, as not sure how you can work for a national UK newpaper without having a 'work' connection at some point.

It's the numerous 'social' ones that are disconcerting

Maggy 14-03-2012 19:05
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17373545

Quote:
A former News of the World journalist has been arrested in connection with suspected intimidation of a witness.
The arrest of Neville Thurlbeck, by police investigating phone hacking, also related to an allegation of encouraging or assisting an offence.
I'm beginning to wonder how much these reporters like being named in the news..

devilincarnate 14-03-2012 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35399538)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17373545


I'm beginning to wonder how much these reporters like being named in the news..
Not very unless they are writing it:)

Maggy 16-03-2012 09:43
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Neville Thurlbeck's blog is an interesting read

muppetman11 26-03-2012 18:42
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http://advanced-television.com/index...s-and-murdoch/

Two shows one tonight on Panorama and one on PBS on Wednesday.

denphone 26-03-2012 18:46
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Yes MM it will be interesting to see what is said.

Damien 26-03-2012 20:34
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...paytv-panorama

Quote:
Part of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation empire employed computer hacking to undermine the business of its chief TV rival in Britain, according to evidence due to be broadcast by BBC1's Panorama programme on Monday .

The allegations stem from apparently incriminating emails the programme-makers have obtained, and on-screen descriptions for the first time from two of the people said to be involved, a German hacker and the operator of a pirate website secretly controlled by a Murdoch company.

The witnesses allege a software company NDS, owned by News Corp, cracked the smart card codes of rival company ONdigital. ONdigital, owned by the ITV companies Granada and Carlton, eventually went under amid a welter of counterfeiting by pirates, leaving the immensely lucrative pay-TV field clear for Sky.


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