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craigj2k12 18-05-2012 12:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35429750)
Or spend a fiver and get a real router.

hahahahaha

jaf1968 18-05-2012 12:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeeps (Post 35429747)
To save your eldest's sanity there is a work round. Specify a particular protocol type rather than both. If you need both TCP and UDP than use two rules.

Cheers, I'll give that a try. Got a WRT160 in the loft. This is the first issue I've had with the shub and I'm trying to cut down on wires and power bricks!

J

thenry 18-05-2012 17:51

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/06/68.png

Dai 18-05-2012 18:55

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Delightful eh? Lincoln LN1. Might as well be on dialup of an evening.

jaf1968 18-05-2012 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeeps (Post 35429747)
To save your eldest's sanity there is a work round. Specify a particular protocol type rather than both. If you need both TCP and UDP than use two rules.

Cheers Eeeps - that worked fine. Here's my monitor results. Loads better than some of the horrors I've seen on here...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/1.html
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...8-05-2012.html

J

PS. Bit of a muppet when it comes to this stuff, can't figure out how to post the image itself. Duh!

babis3g 19-05-2012 01:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaf1968 (Post 35430033)
Cheers Eeeps - that worked fine. Here's my monitor results. Loads better than some of the horrors I've seen on here...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...8-05-2012.html
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...8-05-2012.html

J

PS. Bit of a muppet when it comes to this stuff, can't figure out how to post the image itself. Duh!

choice
Small Graph (500x219 px) - BBCode (for forums; not yet supported on thinkbroadband forums)

adzzzbatch 19-05-2012 01:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by babis3g (Post 35430079)
choice
Small Graph (500x219 px) - BBCode (for forums; not yet supported on thinkbroadband forums)

:gpoint:

jempalmer 19-05-2012 09:05

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jempalmer 19-05-2012 22:35

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...19-05-2012.png

ileikcaek 21-05-2012 00:04

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My connection seems to be on a slippery slope now the graphics are getting steadily worse

2nd of may:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...02-05-2012.png

Yesterday (sunday):
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...20-05-2012.png

The brief step down in minimum latency after 4pm was me rebooting the superhub as my connection was struggling to hit 40Mb. It's hitting 63Mb now but my pings are not as good as they were (50ms in some cases instead of 9ms to London).

When they add extra upload channels I hope it improves, but if not, I will seriously consider infinity.

qasdfdsaq 21-05-2012 00:48

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You'll get bored of your graph pretty quick on Infinity:

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ileikcaek 21-05-2012 00:54

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That is the kind of connection we all want to see! VM are getting better in some areas (it was not too bad here until the doubling was rolled out. now it fluctuates a lot) but I can't see them coming even near to the performance of Infinity without significant investment. The upload speed alone is tempting me to Infinity.

RB2004 21-05-2012 00:56

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/15.png

Why is it that BT has a graph like that compared to VM?

Agreed that the double speed stuff has affected the connection.
Mine used to never get packet loss, now since Ive been upgraded to 6 downstream channels I am getting minor packet loss

qasdfdsaq 21-05-2012 01:05

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It's simply a difference in the way the technologies work and how much capacity is provided.

Openreach provide 20mbps dedicated upstream for every customer signed up to the 20mbps upstream service (or at least, that's their target). When a FTTC modem wants to transmit data, it has its entire upstream speed guaranteed to it and can transmit whatever it wants whenever it wants, instantly, with no delay.

VM provide 20mbps of upstream shared between several hundred users. In order to ensure it's shared properly, the modem needs to request permission to transmit every time it wants to send data, and then wait for the response, then finally wait for its allocated timeslot (if any) to do the actual transmission. This process takes a lot of time, and ultimately it may not get the time it requests because there's 200kbps of capacity per user or less.

RB2004 21-05-2012 01:27

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I guess that makes sense, lol

So im guessing a lot of the limitations of VM technology are actually in the so called " last mile" from the node to the home? and from the node to the CMTS the other end or UBR.

As id imagine the optical node itself would have bandwidth available in the gigabits.

But it all comes down to how much bandwidth each docsis channel allows, which limits the actual available bandwidth compared to what a fibre link is actually capable of.

Was pondering if to get infinity as a 2nd connection sometime.. and load balance it, using inifinity for upload and VM for download.. if possible.. as Ive been looking at hardware for multiple Wan setups as VM has the upper hand on download, and infinity has the upper hand on upload.

Probably not likely to happen, or if it does probably decades time the way VM operate...but especially with BT now touting soon an offering of Fibre to the home on demand, whereby you pay an insane installation fee and they will run a fibre cable from your home to the nearest cabinet and utilise any free fibre strands id imagine, and with infinity upload speeds already above VM.

Then logically, in the future (a long time in the future lol, if it happens at all) id guess they will also come up with some kind of system to start splitting the fibre node at the cabinet and offering fibre direct to the home. At least then, they would not be lying about calling it fibre optic broadband, as currently its only Hybrid fibre coax.

kwikbreaks 21-05-2012 07:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35430999)
VM has the upper hand on download

Whatever gave you that idea? A higher possible headline speed doesn't of necessity mean "the upper hand". If there is insufficient upstream to ACK the downstream packet it gets re-transmitted...

jaf1968 21-05-2012 09:04

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Must have missed that option:sorry:

60 Mb in Leeds:

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pabscars 21-05-2012 09:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaf1968 (Post 35431042)
Must have missed that option:sorry:

60 Mb in Leeds:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-05-2012.png

Not too shabby :)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35430993)
You'll get bored of your graph pretty quick on Infinity:

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Wow,,,,,,,, just wow,,,,,,,

kwikbreaks 21-05-2012 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35431046)
Wow,,,,,,,, just wow,,,,,,,

It's more down to different technologies than anything else. The difference is of no consequence if you just want to boast to your mates how fast your connection is. Of course if you actually want to use it....

asbo dog 21-05-2012 11:06

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oldh9-2-0
drop at 8pm rebooting hub to change upstream channel from 1 to 2.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png

pabscars 21-05-2012 11:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35431076)
It's more down to different technologies than anything else. The difference is of no consequence if you just want to boast to your mates how fast your connection is. Of course if you actually want to use it....

Agreed ;)

Only a week till I get my fibre offering installed, if I get a graph anything like qas's I'll be a happy man. That's semi on material that is.

lowei 21-05-2012 20:30

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Pabs its fantastic for gaming on my infinity connection.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...1-05-2012.html

pabscars 21-05-2012 20:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lowei (Post 35431279)
Pabs its fantastic for gaming on my infinity connection.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...1-05-2012.html

Why do you think I havent jumped into one of your lobbies :D

yet ;)

I'm gettin excited tommy

qasdfdsaq 21-05-2012 21:20

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I'm yet to see anyone with a bad BT Infinity graph, but it is subject to interleaving and MPLS as well as funky routing so there's some luck-of-the-draw involved

data0002 21-05-2012 21:27

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Here is my latest graph

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png

and VM said will will be September before it's fixed

kwikbreaks 21-05-2012 22:40

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I had similar 6 months or more back when I was on 50Mbps. I downgraded to 10 as that was pretty much all they could deliver. It's pretty much healed now but my contempt for VM hasn't.

Qtx 21-05-2012 22:53

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The graph just doesnt do justice in regards to showing how flakey my connection is right now.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png

jimgors 21-05-2012 23:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimgors (Post 35429313)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/12.png

Just got 4 new Downstream Channels :o

Locked QAM256 47 55616000 Kbits/sec 315000000 Hz -1.0 dBmV 38.3 dB Hybrid
Locked QAM256 45 55616000 Kbits/sec 299000000 Hz -0.6 dBmV 38.6 dB Hybrid
Locked QAM256 46 55616000 Kbits/sec 307000000 Hz -1.1 dBmV 38.6 dB Hybrid
Locked QAM256 48 55616000 Kbits/sec 323000000 Hz -1.5 dBmV 38.2 dB Hybrid
Unlocked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 0.0 dB Unknown
Unlocked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 0.0 dB Unknown
Unlocked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 0.0 dB Unknown
Unlocked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 0.0 dB Unknown
Upstream Channels
Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Max Raw Bit Rate Frequency Power
Locked ATDMA 8 20480 Kbits/sec 35800000 Hz 49.0 dBmV

Is my upstream power level too high?


it's now

Locked ATDMA 8 20480 Kbits/sec 35800000 Hz 51.8 dBmV

why is it constantly rising

jempalmer 22-05-2012 00:02

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I believe that over 55 upstream is outside limits. Mine is 44. Your down is fine.

qasdfdsaq 22-05-2012 00:26

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It's borderline as it is. Due to future changes in the way VM's network works, anything above 52 will be off limits soon.

jempalmer 22-05-2012 00:51

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Thanks qas, I was checking the sticky at the time I posted. Not too reassuring eh?

---------- Post added at 00:51 ---------- Previous post was at 00:34 ----------

It's been a lot worse.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...22-05-2012.png

qasdfdsaq 22-05-2012 00:58

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At the time the sticky was posted, the highest upload speed was 20 times slower than it is now...

jamonymo 22-05-2012 01:05

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i am have a very bad vm 100mb conection

hi i am new here

can some one please tell me were to put the thinkbroadband code to display my graph in my forum post thanks[COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 01:05 ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 ----------

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...2-05-2012.html

thenry 22-05-2012 01:07

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on thinkbroadband itll say SHARE LIVE GRAPH/MONITOR then GENERATE then copy and paste everything in the last box above your graph image at the bottom of the page

jempalmer 22-05-2012 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamonymo (Post 35431384)
i am have a very bad vm 100mb conection

hi i am new here

can some one please tell me were to put the thinkbroadband code to display my graph in my forum post thanks[COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 01:05 ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 ----------

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...2-05-2012.html

Copy and paste the bottom url from ttb into your post.

jamonymo 22-05-2012 14:10

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thanks for showing me how to put my graph in my post,
my internet is unusable all day and night,
this was a good day its slowly getting worse.
my fix date 24th may has now been moved to early july
playing battlefield 3 less and less on my gaming pc as lag is very bad alot of the time



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Ken Jude 22-05-2012 14:44

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My recently doubled XL60 graph:

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jempalmer 22-05-2012 14:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Jude (Post 35431567)

Count yourself amongst the very few lucky :D

qasdfdsaq 22-05-2012 15:22

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Edinburgh's actually been verging on acceptable again since they fixed the core problems a week or two back:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png

I say verging because they've kinda reduced the buffers so the same level of congestion shows less visibly on the graph.

I say kinda reduced as in change from fixed 1500ms to dynamic 400-3200(!)ms...

Ken Jude 22-05-2012 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35431570)
Count yourself amongst the very few lucky :D

I'm prepared to be counting myself among the majority on occasion :)

matty1968 22-05-2012 16:07

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This is my recently upgraded from 10MB to 60MB

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...22-05-2012.png

jamonymo 22-05-2012 18:27

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/11.png


i have just been told my fix date does not amply now as they swapped my line at some point over to a better one and it it not over utilized now,i have not seen a single improvement its getting slowly worse
i feel like murdering someone this is so frustrating.

virgin media think my line is ok now

qasdfdsaq 22-05-2012 18:44

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Your line isn't the problem.

Their idea of what constitutes "service" is the problem.

thenry 22-05-2012 18:50

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^ hit the nail on the head ^

asbo dog 22-05-2012 19:12

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getting pig sick of doing the job of load balancing for VM,upstream channel 2 up to 6pm, chan 1 now and looking lots better. before upgrade i had to hard reset to jump channel but now power on/off works during periods of high load. just wish they would force the load balancing rather than wait for modems to re sync
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...22-05-2012.png

boroboi 23-05-2012 00:30

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Just thought i'd have a game of FIFA before bed... getting a lovely average of 11ms jitter at 00:28 pinging the BBC.

"Virgin Media, a little bit extra from us, to you."

qasdfdsaq 23-05-2012 09:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asbo dog (Post 35431694)
just wish they would force the load balancing rather than wait for modems to re sync

Oh yeah, cause people's modems to disconnect even more at peak periods. Great idea.

Chrysalis 23-05-2012 15:21

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yeah to be honest if they were constantly kicking people off to rebalance that would probably cause complaints, it would annoy me if I kept getting booted off, it be like back to the dodgy adsl line days.

Skie 23-05-2012 21:47

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With multiple downstreams they could theoretically do it one by one with no loss of connectivity.

qasdfdsaq 23-05-2012 21:54

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We were talking about upstream.

craigj2k12 23-05-2012 21:58

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well they will be able to do that soon then?

Skie 23-05-2012 22:06

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Well like I said it is just a theory. But having multiple upstreams will lessen the load anyway so may not even be needed (lol, right).

jb66 23-05-2012 22:17

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...23-05-2012.png

Skie 23-05-2012 23:45

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/64.png

Can't wait to see how the introduction of 100meg around here mangles that.

qasdfdsaq 24-05-2012 00:00

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I thought all areas had 100mb already (well at least half of it...)

craigj2k12 24-05-2012 00:12

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yeah they do, have done for nearly 2 months now

Skie 24-05-2012 16:57

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They sort of do. My area was one of those "being planned" places that got a date in may iirc with the last update.

At the same time as the early speed uplifts began they announced that they had completed the work to enable 100meg everywhere. But at the same time, they were only uplifting people in areas ready for it and even then only to 100/5. So basically anyone here will be on 100/5 if they managed to wrangle an early uplift which I doubt. 150 say they can't move me to the real 100/10 product, nor can they early upgrade me to 100/5. Same with the website.

qasdfdsaq 24-05-2012 19:06

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Ah. In that case, same here then. Hence the half of 100mb service I mentioned.

babis3g 25-05-2012 00:27

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Thanks guys at your previous post up suggesting me to change for a 6db profile

i will keep the interleaved for now as is very stable connection even i know can get lower ping and maybe more speed(11-12 mb right now any time of the day or night)
beside i have the VM for fast internet

so here the Talk Talk adsl line with interleaved snr 12 (currently in use & bear in mind is direct to exchange & not via cabinet)
wonder why every 15 minutes are spikes like comb when connection is idle(only can think is because 2 pings going to same router so i may disable the VM monitor or connection and see how it does in few days)
also seems line it does not affect at peak times like VM

both from the same router all in one vigor 2850n
yesterday's
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-05-2012.png

VM 100/5 not been in use atoll, yesterday's graff

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-05-2012.png

Sephiroth 25-05-2012 08:44

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-05-2012.png


Can someone please remind me what causes the change in minimum latency? AFAIK VM don't mess with the interleave.

qasdfdsaq 25-05-2012 10:11

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Routing.

Interesting to see VM's backup route is twice as fast as their normal one...

Sephiroth 25-05-2012 10:41

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Good point, qasi.

jimgors 25-05-2012 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35432639)
Routing.

Interesting to see VM's backup route is twice as fast as their normal one...

Look at this

http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/cmts/d...town=Gorseinon

Yearly Graph, that's the reason for the ping increase, might just leave.

ileikcaek 25-05-2012 12:48

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Mine kinda mirrors sephs this morning, though the drop in latency is not quite so much, there is a step down like it took a different routing for a couple of hours. after noticeable packet loss. Wonder if they were working on something.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-05-2012.png

Chrysalis 25-05-2012 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35432639)
Routing.

Interesting to see VM's backup route is twice as fast as their normal one...

yep although probably not the cheapest ;)

VM is a bulk transfer ISP.

qasdfdsaq 25-05-2012 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimgors (Post 35432713)
Look at this

http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/cmts/d...town=Gorseinon

Yearly Graph, that's the reason for the ping increase, might just leave.

Yearly graph ping increase is irrelevant.

Every CMTS increased at the same time because they moved the server doing the pings to Germany.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35432732)
yep although probably not the cheapest ;)

VM is a bulk transfer ISP.

Yeah, that's my suspicion. Hub-and-spoke is still one of the most economical options, even if the spokes sometimes go the wrong way. Likely the packet loss was a link failure or maintenance and traffic automatically re-routed to a lower latency, but perhaps lower capacity path.

BT has been doing maintenance lately too which has been causing similar effects (though in their case ping goes up, not down, because they're already using the quickest path by default):

http://qasdfdsaq.com/ping/

Chrysalis 25-05-2012 16:03

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Personally I can deal with base latency going up a few ms as long as it doesnt get stupidly high. I think a bigger impact is jitter, so if base latency is 20ms but stable thats better than a base latency of 15ms but all over the place. On interleaved adsl lines it can get too high especially on BT wholesale because from here it goes to birmingham than to london.

On ukonline(easynet) I had a base latency of 8-9ms to the bbc with non existant jitter. They have a POP in my city which goes direct route to london.
BTw is about 17-25ms on fastpath depending how BT route it and about 35+ms on interleaving.
VM is about 14ms base but obviously varies with the jitter.

qasdfdsaq 25-05-2012 16:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35432790)
Personally I can deal with base latency going up a few ms as long as it doesnt get stupidly high. I think a bigger impact is jitter, so if base latency is 20ms but stable thats better than a base latency of 15ms but all over the place.

That's why I moved to BT, base is 19ms and average is 19ms, whereas VM had a base of 15ms and an average of 20-30 for most of the day.

Course as you say, it's as much dependant on routing with both ISPs, in my case both VM and BT go Edinburgh => Manchester => London with no roundabout paths, as BT and VM both have core nodes/BRAS' right here so it's about as good as it gets for both. Neither VM or BT have any core nodes north of Edinburgh or Glasgow though.

jimgors 26-05-2012 00:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35432790)
Personally I can deal with base latency going up a few ms as long as it doesnt get stupidly high. I think a bigger impact is jitter, so if base latency is 20ms but stable thats better than a base latency of 15ms but all over the place. On interleaved adsl lines it can get too high especially on BT wholesale because from here it goes to birmingham than to london.

On ukonline(easynet) I had a base latency of 8-9ms to the bbc with non existant jitter. They have a POP in my city which goes direct route to london.
BTw is about 17-25ms on fastpath depending how BT route it and about 35+ms on interleaving.
VM is about 14ms base but obviously varies with the jitter.

My VM used to be 14ms base, until routing sent me around the country...
Now it's 20-21m + jitter ~5. means i can have 26-27ms nearing interleaving standard.

jempalmer 26-05-2012 08:13

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Mine now?
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kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 09:24

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I think VM are taking one at me bitching about them because mine just keeps getting better...

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Mind you as the area has recently had Infinity maybe the big downloaders got as fed up with VM as I did and bailed. I hope BT get their act together soon so that I can - despite the recent improvement I simply don't trust VM any more.

boroboi 26-05-2012 12:56

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...26-05-2012.png

Mine at the moment.

Still gives me horrible game play in FIFA, go figure. Best it's been for months too, still a constant jitter of about 5 off-peak and 15 on-peak.

thenry 26-05-2012 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433036)
I think VM are taking one at me bitching about them because mine just keeps getting better...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...26-05-2012.png

Mind you as the area has recently had Infinity maybe the big downloaders got as fed up with VM as I did and bailed. I hope BT get their act together soon so that I can - despite the recent improvement I simply don't trust VM any more.

whats happened to yours kwik

jempalmer 26-05-2012 14:32

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Slight improvement
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...26-05-2012.png

Meekel 26-05-2012 15:51

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Hi everyone.

I'm still having an issue setting this up.

I've disabled Firewall, Port Scan and IP Flood Detection on the SuperHub and enabled Respond to Ping on WAN Port. There are no port forwarding rules either.

Is there anything else I'm missing that could be causing the graph to be full red?

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 15:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35433144)
whats happened to yours kwik

Ah - 12:30 - 14:30 was a period of downloading. I'll grab an idle recent day..

Yesterday's was idle..

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-05-2012.png

Not sure what short outage was around 6:30am or the other two even shorter ones earlier.

thenry 26-05-2012 15:58

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you downloading? damn you've got some pulling power ;)

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 16:07

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Furthermore the STM is busted - that session exceeded the 10Mbps morning limit and kept going at 10Mbit. The evening one here kicks in at well under the published limit though. Like most things VM it's not working correctly.

jamonymo 27-05-2012 01:31

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meekel (Post 35433197)
Hi everyone.

I'm still having an issue setting this up.

I've disabled Firewall, Port Scan and IP Flood Detection on the SuperHub and enabled Respond to Ping on WAN Port. There are no port forwarding rules either.

Is there anything else I'm missing that could be causing the graph to be full red?

;)

MaverickJesus 27-05-2012 10:48

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/10.png

My live graph, post area uplift. Seems relatively serene compared to many on here :shocked:

pabscars 27-05-2012 11:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meekel (Post 35433197)
Hi everyone.

I'm still having an issue setting this up.

I've disabled Firewall, Port Scan and IP Flood Detection on the SuperHub and enabled Respond to Ping on WAN Port. There are no port forwarding rules either.

Is there anything else I'm missing that could be causing the graph to be full red?

Have you checked the IP address being pinged is actually yours, apart from that the only thing I can think of doing is a reboot of your superhub.

jamonymo 27-05-2012 13:24

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...27-05-2012.png

shoot me this is ****edd

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fix for thinkbroadband.com graph is go into super hum advanced , then set password , then check yes Restore Factory Defaults, then alply

then delete your graph make a new one as your ip may had changed, done

this worked for me i had the same problem

kwikbreaks 27-05-2012 15:55

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Presumably yet another Superhub bug then. I've never seen a router with so few features and certainly never one with so many bugs.

Meekel 27-05-2012 16:56

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/09/1.png

Any red is actual downtime. Internet has been cutting out since Thursday. Every so often the SuperHub can't lock onto an upstream channel. Most of my area has had the issue.

pabscars 28-05-2012 18:42

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For those amongst us wondering what Sky Fibre looks like, have a look below, only had it installed today so apparently has to run for 10 days to settle in.

So far it looks pretty good, speedtest's (and the routers sync speed) indicate I'm getting the full 40Mbps Down and 2Mbps Up near as damn it.


http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-05-2012.png

ileikcaek 28-05-2012 20:44

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I've noticed a nationwide spike of packet loss on VM graphs, just before 8pm, it's something I have noticed happening from time to time ever since VM had the so called "routing issue" that is *supposedly* fixed now.

qasdfdsaq 28-05-2012 21:47

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The packet loss spikes were nothing to do with VM and there is no routing issue.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35433976)
So far it looks pretty good, speedtest's (and the routers sync speed) indicate I'm getting the full 40Mbps Down and 2Mbps Up near as damn it.

What exactly do you get for your speedtest results? I'm curious if it's any higher than BT's, since BT's IP profile limits your speed to below what your line can handle and Sky bypass it.

jamonymo 28-05-2012 23:03

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[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

virgin are cowboys look at my super crappy 100mb

pabscars 28-05-2012 23:14

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Qas, I can't do any just now (need to be wired) but when I checked this morning using http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/ I got a touch over 40,000kbps Down and 1800Kbps up,

Router Stats

Modem Status Connected
DownStream Connection Speed 39998 kbps
UpStream Connection Speed 1999 kbps

babis3g 29-05-2012 00:35

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rickymallory (Post 35434015)
I've noticed a nationwide spike of packet loss on VM graphs, just before 8pm, it's something I have noticed happening from time to time ever since VM had the so called "routing issue" that is *supposedly* fixed now.

yea me too just before 8
and by the way since the problem with routing i have more jitter and congestion
the red spikes before is becouse i reboot the router

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-05-2012.png

RealDiamond 29-05-2012 06:24

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Subtopic : Any one else had problems with TBB site not loading.

jempalmer 29-05-2012 07:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDiamond (Post 35434125)
Subtopic : Any one else had problems with TBB site not loading.

Yup :(

Sephiroth 29-05-2012 08:50

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Nope.

jempalmer 29-05-2012 08:56

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Working now though.

pabscars 29-05-2012 09:02

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Slightly longer period available now and on the face of it, it appears ok

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

thenry 29-05-2012 11:39

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nice. hows gaming going? have you tested Skys gaming profile?

Foo Fighter 29-05-2012 12:00

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My connections been crap for 2 months ever since i upgraded from 10mb. Ring Virgin weekly and dont seem to be getting anywere.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...29-05-2012.png

any ideas? a engineer came and fitted a attenuator to the modem and seemed ok for a week. Im going to set up a ping monitor on my brothers modem down the road. He's also having issues but virgin always say its a local issue that will be fixed by certain hour :(

qasdfdsaq 29-05-2012 12:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35434149)
Slightly longer period available now and on the face of it, it appears ok

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...29-05-2012.png

Looks pretty good, except the two big spikes which I'm guessing were you doing something intensive (speedtesting?)

The background yellow "fuzz" is something that's peculiar to Sky, and I see it on their ADSL2+ LLU connections too. The fact that it's less apparent at peak times suggests it may be a power saving/idle "feature" either on their network or their CPE.

If you'd like you can PM me your IP so I can set up my own ping monitor so your connection gets pinged 5 times a second instead of just one, that usually gets rid of the "sleep" or "low power" fuzz on most routers.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35434193)
nice. hows gaming going? have you tested Skys gaming profile?

There's no gaming profile on FTTC (yet)

pabscars 29-05-2012 12:37

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qas, :) yes your dead right about the spikes, I was seeing what the download speed was like last night so downloaded 2 demo's off xbox live, one was a 750MB file that took just about 2 minutes it seemed and a 1.8 gig demo took I'm guessing about 6 to 7 mins (ish) but basically they flew down.

Re: the pinging of my router I'd rather not qas, nothing sinister it's just this router isn't particularly brilliant and I wouldn't want it effecting my gaming :).

Whilst on the topic of gaming, I'd say so far I've not noticed much difference, I've only played a few games of MW3 via my xbox and it seemed just the same as before, some games play great though :D, others can be hard work, it just depends who's hosting. However I did notice I was put in quite a few games with a 75ms ping instead of 50ms.


However all games played smoothly with no warping or typical lagging, even when playing games hosted in Germany, France etc. So in short it's too soon to say.

The main benefit I'd say so far is being able to game, download stuff, while the wife is gaming on FB and listening to YouTube all at the same time.

Theres no way I could have done this before without some sacrifice.

qasdfdsaq 29-05-2012 12:55

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I could limit the pinging to 4-6am if that helps, I'm just curious as to whether the idle fluff is something peculiar to Sky's network as a whole or a "feature" of their own routers. I'm assuming you're using their default supplied router (you'd have to be to be getting the line stats from it, nobody's figured out how to do it otherwise without a hacked modem)

Glad it's worked out for you though. There've been quite a few people over at TBB's forums reporting much lower speeds than expected on Sky FTTC and nobody's really figured out why.

In any case, I wonder what VM's next quarterly results will look like now there's some decent fibre LLU competition.


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