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Delightful eh? Lincoln LN1. Might as well be on dialup of an evening.
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My connection seems to be on a slippery slope now the graphics are getting steadily worse
2nd of may: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...02-05-2012.png Yesterday (sunday): http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...20-05-2012.png The brief step down in minimum latency after 4pm was me rebooting the superhub as my connection was struggling to hit 40Mb. It's hitting 63Mb now but my pings are not as good as they were (50ms in some cases instead of 9ms to London). When they add extra upload channels I hope it improves, but if not, I will seriously consider infinity. |
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That is the kind of connection we all want to see! VM are getting better in some areas (it was not too bad here until the doubling was rolled out. now it fluctuates a lot) but I can't see them coming even near to the performance of Infinity without significant investment. The upload speed alone is tempting me to Infinity.
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Why is it that BT has a graph like that compared to VM? Agreed that the double speed stuff has affected the connection. Mine used to never get packet loss, now since Ive been upgraded to 6 downstream channels I am getting minor packet loss |
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It's simply a difference in the way the technologies work and how much capacity is provided.
Openreach provide 20mbps dedicated upstream for every customer signed up to the 20mbps upstream service (or at least, that's their target). When a FTTC modem wants to transmit data, it has its entire upstream speed guaranteed to it and can transmit whatever it wants whenever it wants, instantly, with no delay. VM provide 20mbps of upstream shared between several hundred users. In order to ensure it's shared properly, the modem needs to request permission to transmit every time it wants to send data, and then wait for the response, then finally wait for its allocated timeslot (if any) to do the actual transmission. This process takes a lot of time, and ultimately it may not get the time it requests because there's 200kbps of capacity per user or less. |
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I guess that makes sense, lol
So im guessing a lot of the limitations of VM technology are actually in the so called " last mile" from the node to the home? and from the node to the CMTS the other end or UBR. As id imagine the optical node itself would have bandwidth available in the gigabits. But it all comes down to how much bandwidth each docsis channel allows, which limits the actual available bandwidth compared to what a fibre link is actually capable of. Was pondering if to get infinity as a 2nd connection sometime.. and load balance it, using inifinity for upload and VM for download.. if possible.. as Ive been looking at hardware for multiple Wan setups as VM has the upper hand on download, and infinity has the upper hand on upload. Probably not likely to happen, or if it does probably decades time the way VM operate...but especially with BT now touting soon an offering of Fibre to the home on demand, whereby you pay an insane installation fee and they will run a fibre cable from your home to the nearest cabinet and utilise any free fibre strands id imagine, and with infinity upload speeds already above VM. Then logically, in the future (a long time in the future lol, if it happens at all) id guess they will also come up with some kind of system to start splitting the fibre node at the cabinet and offering fibre direct to the home. At least then, they would not be lying about calling it fibre optic broadband, as currently its only Hybrid fibre coax. |
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drop at 8pm rebooting hub to change upstream channel from 1 to 2. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png |
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Only a week till I get my fibre offering installed, if I get a graph anything like qas's I'll be a happy man. That's semi on material that is. |
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Pabs its fantastic for gaming on my infinity connection.
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yet ;) I'm gettin excited tommy |
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I'm yet to see anyone with a bad BT Infinity graph, but it is subject to interleaving and MPLS as well as funky routing so there's some luck-of-the-draw involved
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Here is my latest graph
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png and VM said will will be September before it's fixed |
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I had similar 6 months or more back when I was on 50Mbps. I downgraded to 10 as that was pretty much all they could deliver. It's pretty much healed now but my contempt for VM hasn't.
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The graph just doesnt do justice in regards to showing how flakey my connection is right now.
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it's now Locked ATDMA 8 20480 Kbits/sec 35800000 Hz 51.8 dBmV why is it constantly rising |
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I believe that over 55 upstream is outside limits. Mine is 44. Your down is fine.
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It's borderline as it is. Due to future changes in the way VM's network works, anything above 52 will be off limits soon.
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Thanks qas, I was checking the sticky at the time I posted. Not too reassuring eh?
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At the time the sticky was posted, the highest upload speed was 20 times slower than it is now...
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i am have a very bad vm 100mb conection
hi i am new here can some one please tell me were to put the thinkbroadband code to display my graph in my forum post thanks[COLOR="Silver"] ---------- Post added at 01:05 ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 ---------- http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...2-05-2012.html |
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on thinkbroadband itll say SHARE LIVE GRAPH/MONITOR then GENERATE then copy and paste everything in the last box above your graph image at the bottom of the page
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thanks for showing me how to put my graph in my post,
my internet is unusable all day and night, this was a good day its slowly getting worse. my fix date 24th may has now been moved to early july playing battlefield 3 less and less on my gaming pc as lag is very bad alot of the time [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] |
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Edinburgh's actually been verging on acceptable again since they fixed the core problems a week or two back:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-05-2012.png I say verging because they've kinda reduced the buffers so the same level of congestion shows less visibly on the graph. I say kinda reduced as in change from fixed 1500ms to dynamic 400-3200(!)ms... |
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This is my recently upgraded from 10MB to 60MB
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i have just been told my fix date does not amply now as they swapped my line at some point over to a better one and it it not over utilized now,i have not seen a single improvement its getting slowly worse i feel like murdering someone this is so frustrating. virgin media think my line is ok now |
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Your line isn't the problem.
Their idea of what constitutes "service" is the problem. |
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^ hit the nail on the head ^
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getting pig sick of doing the job of load balancing for VM,upstream channel 2 up to 6pm, chan 1 now and looking lots better. before upgrade i had to hard reset to jump channel but now power on/off works during periods of high load. just wish they would force the load balancing rather than wait for modems to re sync
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Just thought i'd have a game of FIFA before bed... getting a lovely average of 11ms jitter at 00:28 pinging the BBC.
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yeah to be honest if they were constantly kicking people off to rebalance that would probably cause complaints, it would annoy me if I kept getting booted off, it be like back to the dodgy adsl line days.
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With multiple downstreams they could theoretically do it one by one with no loss of connectivity.
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We were talking about upstream.
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well they will be able to do that soon then?
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Well like I said it is just a theory. But having multiple upstreams will lessen the load anyway so may not even be needed (lol, right).
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Can't wait to see how the introduction of 100meg around here mangles that. |
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I thought all areas had 100mb already (well at least half of it...)
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yeah they do, have done for nearly 2 months now
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They sort of do. My area was one of those "being planned" places that got a date in may iirc with the last update.
At the same time as the early speed uplifts began they announced that they had completed the work to enable 100meg everywhere. But at the same time, they were only uplifting people in areas ready for it and even then only to 100/5. So basically anyone here will be on 100/5 if they managed to wrangle an early uplift which I doubt. 150 say they can't move me to the real 100/10 product, nor can they early upgrade me to 100/5. Same with the website. |
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Ah. In that case, same here then. Hence the half of 100mb service I mentioned.
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Thanks guys at your previous post up suggesting me to change for a 6db profile
i will keep the interleaved for now as is very stable connection even i know can get lower ping and maybe more speed(11-12 mb right now any time of the day or night) beside i have the VM for fast internet so here the Talk Talk adsl line with interleaved snr 12 (currently in use & bear in mind is direct to exchange & not via cabinet) wonder why every 15 minutes are spikes like comb when connection is idle(only can think is because 2 pings going to same router so i may disable the VM monitor or connection and see how it does in few days) also seems line it does not affect at peak times like VM both from the same router all in one vigor 2850n yesterday's http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-05-2012.png VM 100/5 not been in use atoll, yesterday's graff http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-05-2012.png |
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Can someone please remind me what causes the change in minimum latency? AFAIK VM don't mess with the interleave. |
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Routing.
Interesting to see VM's backup route is twice as fast as their normal one... |
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Good point, qasi.
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http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/cmts/d...town=Gorseinon Yearly Graph, that's the reason for the ping increase, might just leave. |
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Mine kinda mirrors sephs this morning, though the drop in latency is not quite so much, there is a step down like it took a different routing for a couple of hours. after noticeable packet loss. Wonder if they were working on something.
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VM is a bulk transfer ISP. |
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BT has been doing maintenance lately too which has been causing similar effects (though in their case ping goes up, not down, because they're already using the quickest path by default): http://qasdfdsaq.com/ping/ |
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Personally I can deal with base latency going up a few ms as long as it doesnt get stupidly high. I think a bigger impact is jitter, so if base latency is 20ms but stable thats better than a base latency of 15ms but all over the place. On interleaved adsl lines it can get too high especially on BT wholesale because from here it goes to birmingham than to london.
On ukonline(easynet) I had a base latency of 8-9ms to the bbc with non existant jitter. They have a POP in my city which goes direct route to london. BTw is about 17-25ms on fastpath depending how BT route it and about 35+ms on interleaving. VM is about 14ms base but obviously varies with the jitter. |
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Course as you say, it's as much dependant on routing with both ISPs, in my case both VM and BT go Edinburgh => Manchester => London with no roundabout paths, as BT and VM both have core nodes/BRAS' right here so it's about as good as it gets for both. Neither VM or BT have any core nodes north of Edinburgh or Glasgow though. |
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Now it's 20-21m + jitter ~5. means i can have 26-27ms nearing interleaving standard. |
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Mine now?
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I think VM are taking one at me bitching about them because mine just keeps getting better...
[img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Mind you as the area has recently had Infinity maybe the big downloaders got as fed up with VM as I did and bailed. I hope BT get their act together soon so that I can - despite the recent improvement I simply don't trust VM any more. |
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Mine at the moment. Still gives me horrible game play in FIFA, go figure. Best it's been for months too, still a constant jitter of about 5 off-peak and 15 on-peak. |
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Hi everyone.
I'm still having an issue setting this up. I've disabled Firewall, Port Scan and IP Flood Detection on the SuperHub and enabled Respond to Ping on WAN Port. There are no port forwarding rules either. Is there anything else I'm missing that could be causing the graph to be full red? |
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Yesterday's was idle.. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-05-2012.png Not sure what short outage was around 6:30am or the other two even shorter ones earlier. |
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you downloading? damn you've got some pulling power ;)
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Furthermore the STM is busted - that session exceeded the 10Mbps morning limit and kept going at 10Mbit. The evening one here kicks in at well under the published limit though. Like most things VM it's not working correctly.
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My live graph, post area uplift. Seems relatively serene compared to many on here :shocked: |
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shoot me this is ****edd ---------- Post added at 13:24 ---------- Previous post was at 13:21 ---------- fix for thinkbroadband.com graph is go into super hum advanced , then set password , then check yes Restore Factory Defaults, then alply then delete your graph make a new one as your ip may had changed, done this worked for me i had the same problem |
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Presumably yet another Superhub bug then. I've never seen a router with so few features and certainly never one with so many bugs.
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Any red is actual downtime. Internet has been cutting out since Thursday. Every so often the SuperHub can't lock onto an upstream channel. Most of my area has had the issue. |
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For those amongst us wondering what Sky Fibre looks like, have a look below, only had it installed today so apparently has to run for 10 days to settle in.
So far it looks pretty good, speedtest's (and the routers sync speed) indicate I'm getting the full 40Mbps Down and 2Mbps Up near as damn it. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-05-2012.png |
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I've noticed a nationwide spike of packet loss on VM graphs, just before 8pm, it's something I have noticed happening from time to time ever since VM had the so called "routing issue" that is *supposedly* fixed now.
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The packet loss spikes were nothing to do with VM and there is no routing issue.
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Qas, I can't do any just now (need to be wired) but when I checked this morning using http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/ I got a touch over 40,000kbps Down and 1800Kbps up,
Router Stats Modem Status Connected DownStream Connection Speed 39998 kbps UpStream Connection Speed 1999 kbps |
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and by the way since the problem with routing i have more jitter and congestion the red spikes before is becouse i reboot the router http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-05-2012.png |
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Subtopic : Any one else had problems with TBB site not loading.
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Nope.
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Working now though.
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Slightly longer period available now and on the face of it, it appears ok
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nice. hows gaming going? have you tested Skys gaming profile?
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My connections been crap for 2 months ever since i upgraded from 10mb. Ring Virgin weekly and dont seem to be getting anywere.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...29-05-2012.png any ideas? a engineer came and fitted a attenuator to the modem and seemed ok for a week. Im going to set up a ping monitor on my brothers modem down the road. He's also having issues but virgin always say its a local issue that will be fixed by certain hour :( |
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The background yellow "fuzz" is something that's peculiar to Sky, and I see it on their ADSL2+ LLU connections too. The fact that it's less apparent at peak times suggests it may be a power saving/idle "feature" either on their network or their CPE. If you'd like you can PM me your IP so I can set up my own ping monitor so your connection gets pinged 5 times a second instead of just one, that usually gets rid of the "sleep" or "low power" fuzz on most routers. ---------- Post added at 12:06 ---------- Previous post was at 12:06 ---------- Quote:
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qas, :) yes your dead right about the spikes, I was seeing what the download speed was like last night so downloaded 2 demo's off xbox live, one was a 750MB file that took just about 2 minutes it seemed and a 1.8 gig demo took I'm guessing about 6 to 7 mins (ish) but basically they flew down.
Re: the pinging of my router I'd rather not qas, nothing sinister it's just this router isn't particularly brilliant and I wouldn't want it effecting my gaming :). Whilst on the topic of gaming, I'd say so far I've not noticed much difference, I've only played a few games of MW3 via my xbox and it seemed just the same as before, some games play great though :D, others can be hard work, it just depends who's hosting. However I did notice I was put in quite a few games with a 75ms ping instead of 50ms. However all games played smoothly with no warping or typical lagging, even when playing games hosted in Germany, France etc. So in short it's too soon to say. The main benefit I'd say so far is being able to game, download stuff, while the wife is gaming on FB and listening to YouTube all at the same time. Theres no way I could have done this before without some sacrifice. |
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I could limit the pinging to 4-6am if that helps, I'm just curious as to whether the idle fluff is something peculiar to Sky's network as a whole or a "feature" of their own routers. I'm assuming you're using their default supplied router (you'd have to be to be getting the line stats from it, nobody's figured out how to do it otherwise without a hacked modem)
Glad it's worked out for you though. There've been quite a few people over at TBB's forums reporting much lower speeds than expected on Sky FTTC and nobody's really figured out why. In any case, I wonder what VM's next quarterly results will look like now there's some decent fibre LLU competition. |
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