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Kymmy 09-01-2010 14:54
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Death toll now upto 3 :(

Hopefully he and the others will bounce right back, get thier mind back in the game and use it as a reason to forget the horrors of the last few days.

It'll though make Fifa think as to games being held in disputed terratories

Arthurgray50@blu 09-01-2010 20:46
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Ok l give in, where did the 6 minutes from in The City v Utd game and how much did Fergie pay the officials.

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I think all this Health and Safety is going to far, in the world of football, if the ground is playable, why postpone the game, it is utter rubbish to say the outisde the ground is snowbound and icy, does the club and police think the fans are stupid, l remember when l was a kid, fans would walk miles in the snow to get to the ground, l always remember, in good old days of The Big Match, when they used an orange ball on the snowbound pitch, clubs needs finance, and provided the ref passes the pitch, then the game goes ahead,.

Damien 09-01-2010 20:46
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34941942)
Ok l give in, where did the 6 minutes from in The City v Utd game and how much did Fergie pay the officials.
I was very surprised by the 6 minutes. I honestly did not see where it came from, the red card didn't take that long nor did the confusion after United's goal. :confused:

Russ 09-01-2010 20:48
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It's Chelsea's title. Nice one SAF.

Damien 09-01-2010 20:49
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Anyway. Glad United dropped points. Means our draw to Everton wasn't so bad.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-01-2010 20:54
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I understand that when there was a commotion on the sideline, with Fergie speaking to the fourth official, he then showed 6 minutes, and McLeish did his nut and asked, where did that come from. Sadly this is happening in the game of football where Fergie is concerned.

Subs took 30 seconds, the goal 30 secs, the red card 30sec, l made it 3 minutes, and l am a ref. Not unless he added more time for the fouls.

Damien 09-01-2010 21:04
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34941942)
I think all this Health and Safety is going to far, in the world of football, if the ground is playable, why postpone the game, it is utter rubbish to say the outisde the ground is snowbound and icy, does the club and police think the fans are stupid, l remember when l was a kid, fans would walk miles in the snow to get to the ground, l always remember, in good old days of The Big Match, when they used an orange ball on the snowbound pitch, clubs needs finance, and provided the ref passes the pitch, then the game goes ahead,.

I don't think todays games should have gone ahead. The injury risk to the players was much higher in today's conditions and when you consider many teams did not have to play it seems unfair. Arsenal need some cover at the back though.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-01-2010 21:30
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All grounds in the PL have undersoil heating, so therefore if the players got cold, all they had to do is lay on the grass.

superbiatch 09-01-2010 21:33
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34941982)
All grounds in the PL have undersoil heating, so therefore if the players got cold, all they had to do is lay on the grass.
I thought it was more to do with the fans (ie the ones paying) getting to and from the ground safely the reason why they postponed some games?

Matty_ 09-01-2010 21:53
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Was it the local police authorities who made the call, based on whether or not they wanted up to 60,000 people arriving at the same place with the adverse weather?

All seems a bit nonsensical in this day and age with undersoil heating etc. Maybe some clubs just thought the turn out would be lower than normal so postponed!

Arthurgray50@blu 09-01-2010 23:21
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Well if the authorities did there jobs properly, and stopped sitting in the nearby cafe, and following health and safety rules, then maybe the roads would be safer, and OAPs could get out of there homes properly. Its H&S GONE MAD.

sherer 09-01-2010 23:54
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what a load of rubbish that game was.

Evans got beaten to every ball. Park had a load of chances but because he isn't good enough for this level couldn't do anything with them. We had a proven goal scorer on the bench but brought on someone who had never played before

LEE1 10-01-2010 12:14
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a load of games of for crowd safty and i slip on sainsburys car park why didnt h & s close them for public safty.

TheDaddy 10-01-2010 16:36
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Originally Posted by LEE1 (Post 34942242)
a load of games of for crowd safty and i slip on sainsburys car park why didnt h & s close them for public safty.
Probably because as much as the owners would like them to, 40 000 people aren't going to turn up at Sainsbury's all at once and because food is vital, watching football despite what Shankly said isn't

Arthurgray50@blu 10-01-2010 21:43
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I don't know wether anyone saw the Rangers cup tie on Sky, I have noticed one thing about these big clubs, The cup tie between Hamilton and Rangers was a total farce on the decision of the penalty, the Hamilton is fouled in the box, he goes down, the Rangers player kicks the ball and hits the Hamilton player's hand, and the Gers' call for a penalty and gets it. It was not intentional, it seems that the big boys get all the luck of a dodgy ref.

LondonRoad 11-01-2010 11:00
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34942646)
I don't know wether anyone saw the Rangers cup tie on Sky, I have noticed one thing about these big clubs, The cup tie between Hamilton and Rangers was a total farce on the decision of the penalty, the Hamilton is fouled in the box, he goes down, the Rangers player kicks the ball and hits the Hamilton player's hand, and the Gers' call for a penalty and gets it. It was not intentional, it seems that the big boys get all the luck of a dodgy ref.
I thought both penalties were soft so it probably evened itself out on the day. The Hamilton player was clearly trying to get out of the way of the ball but in that split instance the referee probably saw movement of the hand towards the ball. A bad decision but I don't think the referee was being dishonest.

Mal 11-01-2010 13:21
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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 34942810)
I thought both penalties were soft so it probably evened itself out on the day. The Hamilton player was clearly trying to get out of the way of the ball but in that split instance the referee probably saw movement of the hand towards the ball. A bad decision but I don't think the referee was being dishonest.
Don't you know, only the "big" clubs get soft penalties ;)

LondonRoad 11-01-2010 13:33
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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34942880)
Don't you know, only the "big" clubs get soft penalties ;)
My mate will be delighted to know that the Accies are categorised as being a big club. :D

Russ 11-01-2010 14:11
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United to raise £500m:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8451848.stm

Maybe we'll see a decent striker brought in now? And a world-class keeper?

Damien 11-01-2010 14:20
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So they decided to get even more debt! I don't understand. Are they not just borrowing £500 million at lower interest rates to pay back some of the £800 million they have at higher interest rates? Which would mean none of this raises money for players. Other than decreasing interest payments which would mean less of their profits have to go to paying interest. However up until 08 Fergie was blowing more than United were earning on players. So that will probably continue...

If they are just increasing the debt then we might as well write United's future off now.

punky 11-01-2010 14:58
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34942907)
So they decided to get even more debt! I don't understand. Are they not just borrowing £500 million at lower interest rates to pay back some of the £800 million they have at higher interest rates? Which would mean none of this raises money for players. Other than decreasing interest payments which would mean less of their profits have to go to paying interest. However up until 08 Fergie was blowing more than United were earning on players. So that will probably continue...

If they are just increasing the debt then we might as well write United's future off now.
Here is a good explanation of it all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...utd_spend.html

I do feel a bit sorry for United fans over all this. Well some of them anyway. Ultimately the fans are just a pawn here and not their fault. I do find it crazy that a situation can exist where a club can buy 'itself'.

Meanwhile I read that Utaka is on £80k/week at Pompey. I think that alone explains a lot about their financial situation.

Damien 11-01-2010 15:04
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34942925)
Here is a good explanation of it all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...utd_spend.html

I do feel a bit sorry for United fans over all this. Well some of them anyway. Ultimately the fans are just a pawn here and not their fault. I do find it crazy that a situation can exist where a club can buy 'itself'.

Meanwhile I read that Utaka is on £80k/week at Pompey. I think that alone explains a lot about their financial situation.
The last one was funny. As a Spurs fan you should consider yourself lucky you have shrewd board members because Redknapp isn't :D

It's not the fans fault at United at all. I do enjoy watching them exasperated that they can't spend millions on another player though. How much did Berbatov cost? £30 million? Lol.

punky 11-01-2010 15:17
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34942931)
The last one was funny. As a Spurs fan you should consider yourself lucky you have shrewd board members because Redknapp isn't :D
When Redknapp was at Pompey he wasn't responsible for agreeing fees or negotiating wages. That falls to Storrie (as well t a less extend Guydamak/Mandaric). It is the same at Spurs. Redknapp says who he wants and Daniel Levy secures it within the club's sustainability margins.

I know people would expect me to say this but I think Levy is the best chairman in the league. He's very shrewd, the club is run extremely healthily. Despite not much success to speak of and constant player/manager turnover the club has remained very profitable.According to Forbes, we had a higher operating income than Liverpool last year. And all this whilst delivering 2 massive training centres on time and budget and organising a complete new stadium.

Pompey would kill for someone like him right now.

Damien 11-01-2010 15:33
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34942938)
When Redknapp was at Pompey he wasn't responsible for agreeing fees or negotiating wages. That falls to Storrie (as well t a less extend Guydamak/Mandaric). It is the same at Spurs. Redknapp says who he wants and Daniel Levy secures it within the club's sustainability margins.
Ah! Knew the situation at Spurs, didn't know the one at Portsmouth. Yet another reason to presume Storrie is inept at his job. Heaven knows why the fans at Portsmouth give him a free pass.

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I know people would expect me to say this but I think Levy is the best chairman in the league. He's very shrewd, the club is run extremely healthily. Despite not much success to speak of and player/manager turnover the club has remained very profitable.According to Forbes, we had a higher operating income than Liverpool last year. And all this whilst delivering 2 massive training centres on time and budget and organising a complete new stadium.
Heh. I would say this but I have to say Arsenal's board are up there as well! :D The club has always been secure and profitable and this includes both the new stadium and subsequent move as well as the new training ground. They have stayed in the top 4 while making a profit on transfers. A lot of this is down to Wenger as well but if you look at the top teams how many of them make a profit from the transfer market? If Wenger wasn't there heaven knows where Arsenal would be now but he has had the biggest influence on Arsenal and has successfully gotten them though a difficult transition. I hope people remember that when comparing his legacy against other managers, it's not all about titles.

Maybe we could say Randy Leaner as well. Modest funding, balanced books and he even rejected shirt sponsorship to put a charity on there! Classy.

punky 11-01-2010 15:40
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34942947)
Ah! Knew the situation at Spurs, didn't know the one at Portsmouth. Yet another reason to presume Storrie is inept at his job. Heaven knows why the fans at Portsmouth give him a free pass.



Heh. I would say this but I have to say Arsenal's board are up there as well! :D The club has always been secure and profitable and this includes both the new stadium and subsequent move as well as the new training ground. They have stayed in the top 4 while making a profit on transfers. A lot of this is down to Wenger as well but if you look at the top teams how many of them make a profit from the transfer market?

Maybe we could say Randy Leaner as well. Modest funding, balanced books and he even rejected shirt sponsorship to put a charity on there! Classy.
Lerner is definitely the populist choice as Levy doesn't really ooze charisma.I was judging Levy purely on a business perspective.

Arsenal (Dein?) are responsible but I wouldn't say maverick. Wenger is shrewd in the markets (Adebayor, Toure, Viera, etc) but they never seem to have much money. They keep the club level (and delivering a stadium isn't easy) but they do have a lot more revenue than us with the Champions League.

Damien 11-01-2010 15:50
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34942957)
Lerner is definitely the populist choice as Levy doesn't really ooze charisma.I was judging Levy purely on a business perspective.

Arsenal (Dein?) are responsible but I wouldn't say maverick. Wenger is shrewd in the markets (Adebayor, Toure, Viera, etc) but they never seem to have much money. They keep the club level (and delivering a stadium isn't easy) but they do have a lot more revenue than us with the Champions League.
They have quite a bit of money, it's that Wenger doesn't buy much and they have been paying back the Stadium debt in excesses of their commitments. A testament to the board is that Arsenal could afford to miss out on the Champions league

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...nger-transfers

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In contrast Arsène Wenger is in a position of relative luxury, since the terms of his club's loans demand he spends the bulk of the money he raises in transfers. All transfer revenues are held in a special account created during negotiations with lenders over the refinancing of the club's £260m stadium loan and a minimum of 70% of this must either be retained or spent on transfers and contract renewals. Although the account's millions are at Wenger's disposal, the banks do hold a charge over it as security on the stadium.
He is sitting on a nice pile of cash. He just doesn't want to spend however much I want him to Buy De Rossi, Mexes and Hugo Lloris. :p:

I would say Spurs/Arsenal's boards are close to terms of business acumen. Arsenal have successfully completed the stadium move and what was basically a rebirth of the club. Spurs board now have that test in front of them.

We're both pre-inclined to look favourably on our teams though :D I do concede a lot of Arsenal's stability and successful move is down to Wenger rather than the board. The guy should get massive 100ft tall statue dam it!

punky 11-01-2010 16:12
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34942961)
They have quite a bit of money, it's that Wenger doesn't buy much and they have been paying back the Stadium debt in excesses of their commitments. A testament to the board is that Arsenal could afford to miss out on the Champions league

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...nger-transfers



He is sitting on a nice pile of cash. He just doesn't want to spend however much I want him to Buy De Rossi, Mexes and Hugo Lloris. :p:

I would say Spurs/Arsenal's boards are close to terms of business acumen. Arsenal have successfully completed the stadium move and what was basically a rebirth of the club. Spurs board now have that test in front of them.

We're both pre-inclined to look favourably on our teams though :D I do concede a lot of Arsenal's stability and successful move is down to Wenger rather than the board. The guy should get massive 100ft tall statue dam it!
Both better than Pompey anyway :p:

I almost feel embarassed giving them £2m for Krancjar. We mugged them. How many £2m players have played as well as he has this season or even recently? Luckily Levy isn't as soppy as me.

Shows how desperate they were for money though and to get players off the wage bill. Scary to think that a couple of seasons ago they were solid mid-table and won the FA Cup. They also had a good team which they flogged a small fortune for. For that money to disappear almost instantly, takes some spectacular inepititude at club running.

Damien 11-01-2010 16:19
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34942972)
Both better than Pompey anyway :p:
And United, Liverpool, Cardiff, Notts County, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and many others :erm: I also would contest that Chelsea and City are not 'well run' since the books don't balance (which despite their protests, is important) but obviously it's not a problem for them.

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I almost feel embarassed giving them £2m for Krancjar. We mugged them. How many £2m players have played as well as he has this season or even recently? Luckily Levy isn't as soppy as me.
Pfft! Levy's job to look after his club not Portsmouth. He can't help the fact they are run by idiots.

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Shows how desperate they were for money though and to get players off the wage bill. Scary to think that a couple of seasons ago they were solid mid-table and won the FA Cup. They also had a good team which they flogged a small fortune for. For that money to disappear almost instantly, takes some spectacular inepititude at club running.
Look at Leeds! There are clubs all over the place which serve as warning to 'living the dream' but clubs and the FA don't take note. Liverpool and United do risk years in the wilderness unless something changes (Although United will be not a Leeds style crisis in the unlikely they even have a crisis)

TheDaddy 12-01-2010 15:51
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34942902)
United to raise £500m:

Maybe we'll see a decent striker brought in now? And a world-class keeper?
Wouldn't bank on it, the gnomes kids will probably end up borrowing it, how they were ever allowed into the ground let alone the board room is beyond me

each of Malcolm Glazer's five sons and one daughter, all of whom are directors of Red Football Limited, each personally borrowed about £1.66m from the club, a total of £10m.

Added together, the management fees, consultancy agreement maximum and the £10m the six family members actually borrowed from United make a total of £22.9m paid to the family and their affiliated companies in three and a half years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...d-glazers-debt


Manchester United could cash in on star striker Wayne Rooney to help ease the club's debts. Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona are considering £70m bids for the England international.
Full story: The Sun

Damien 12-01-2010 16:02
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Yes, Anyway they are raising £500 million to pay off debts they currently have of way over that. So all they are doing to lowering their interest repayments. United will be in just as much debt as they are in now.

punky 12-01-2010 16:27
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34943540)
Manchester United could cash in on star striker Wayne Rooney to help ease the club's debts. Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona are considering £70m bids for the England international.
Full story: The Sun
I did wonder about that. Without selling Ronaldo (which was a fluke really) they would have made a £30m loss. And that is with winning the EPL and finalists in the CL. So there isn't much more revenue streams. They are already out of the FA cup. even if they repeat their success they are on target for a big loss.

I thought they'd have to consider selling players but never thought that Rooney would get £70m from Spain. I think Rooney has an EPL limit of around £30m-40m which only leaves Chelsea as he won't go to Citeh and United won't sell him there. They don't really have any other assests. Berbatov has gone backwards and probably only worth £15m-£20m. Valencia has done a job but not set anything alight. So he's on evens at around £15m. Ferdinand is 31 and continually crocked so not even Citeh would pay £30m for him again. Giggs and Scholes are going to be pensioned off. Brown and Vidic are probably under £10m each. The rest are kids.

Unless revenue is increased (i.e. high ticket/merchandise prices or negotiating rights on the stadium) over a long-term stratergy, I really can't see much changing. Not even if they won back-to-back triples.



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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943549)
Yes, Anyway they are raising £500 million to pay off debts they currently have of way over that. So all they are doing to lowering their interest repayments. United will be in just as much debt as they are in now.
Worth pointing out that by re-financing the lot they are lowering the interest of some payments but raising it of others. They really are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

Damien 12-01-2010 16:33
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34943563)
I did wonder about that. Without selling Ronaldo (which was a fluke really) they would have made a £30m loss. And that is with winning the EPL and finalists in the CL. So there isn't much more revenue streams. They are already out of the FA cup. even if they repeat their success they are on target for a big loss.
Massive lose because their debt is higher than last year so their interest payments are higher. They are going to lose a lot of money and any player purchases would be a stupid decision. They need to sell!.

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I thought they'd have to consider selling players but never thought that Rooney would get £70m from Spain. I think Rooney has an EPL limit of around £30m-40m which only leaves Chelsea as he won't go to Citeh and United won't sell him there. They don't really have any other assests. Berbatov has gone backwards and probably only worth £15m-£20m. Valencia has done a job but not set anything alight. So he's on evens at around £15m. Ferdinand is 31 and continually crocked so not even Citeh would pay £30m for him again. Giggs and Scholes are going to be pensioned off. Brown and Vidic are probably under £10m each. The rest are kids.

I don't think any club in England will buy Rooney. Your right that only Chelsea would even think of it. Berbatov at 15m to 20m is being generous if you ask me. I would say around 10 million.

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Unless revenue is increased (i.e. high ticket/merchandise prices or negotiating rights on the stadium) over a long-term stratergy, I really can't see much changing. Not even if they won back-to-back triples.
They have already doubled the ticket prices.


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Worth pointing out that by re-financing the lot they are lowering the interest of some payments but raising it of others. They really are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.
Basically it's like Ocean Finance :D

sherer 12-01-2010 16:37
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I mentioned to someone today if you sold the stadium, all the players and everything else I still can't see it being worth £800m which is the cost of the debt.

The only way I can see to clear that is for the Glazers to put in some of their own money although as mentioned above they seem to be taking it out at the moment

punky 12-01-2010 16:47
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943568)
I don't think any club in England will buy Rooney. Your right that only Chelsea would even think of it. Berbatov at 15m to 20m is being generous if you ask me. I would say around 10 million.
I was trying to be generous and give them the benefit of the doubt. Berbatov's trouble is that he's a confidence player. He needs to be both happy and molly-coddled to get the best out of him, which isn't really Ferguson's style.

I don't doubt in the right set-up he could play again like he did at Spurs.

TheDaddy 12-01-2010 16:56
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Sol Campbell could make an appearence for Arsenal reserves against West Ham reserves tonight....

Doesn't look good for Harry Rednapp's case...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8454317.stm

Matty_ 12-01-2010 18:35
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34943573)
The only way I can see to clear that is for the Glazers to put in some of their own money although as mentioned above they seem to be taking it out at the moment
I can see that happening around the same time Alex Ferguson puts some of his money in, i.e. when hell freezes over!

Really most off these `American Investors` are only after one thing, and that`s to line their pockets even more. They don`t know the first thing about soccer but see the huge revenue streams from Sky, merchandise, etc!

Personally i wouldn`t trust any of them with a barge pole, them two characters at Liverpool don`t even talk to each other, what sort of footing is that for owning a football club.
Many people i know are Man U fans and at the time thought Martin Edwards was a bit of a jerk, but boy they wish he was still at the healm now. The fact Utd have won 3 consecutive titles and done well in the various cups has made life a lot easier for the Glazers.

Also it made me laugh to hear Utd where going to a training camp in Qatar (presumably to get some rich arabs to buy the bonds), when not long ago Ferguson was slagging of the FA for there money making jaunt to the middle east :shocked:

punky 12-01-2010 18:49
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34943573)
I mentioned to someone today if you sold the stadium, all the players and everything else I still can't see it being worth £800m which is the cost of the debt
The club as a whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Forbes rates it as around $1800m (the world's richest). Ultimately you need to times the number of shares by the current value to get a market estimate.

I don't know exactly how the debt figures in that. The quickest solution would be for an Arab to come in and clear the debt back to square 1 and go from there. The United fans I know of I don't think would appreciate an Arab owner. Then again wither their situation I don't think they have much choice.

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 00:29
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Ignoring the real issue being discussed for a moment, this is quite odd. Look what Adebyaor is wearing in this interview:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/01/52.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPR7jHwc9Fo

Kymmy 13-01-2010 09:46
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So are you rying to tell us that everytime a player switches sides he's gotta change who he supports in real life?? :rolleyes:

There's been lots of ManU players who have been lifetime City, liverpool, chelsea and arsenal supporters for example. I'm sure that it's the same with any club.

Also Adebayor idolised Kanu whilst Kanu played for arsenal this might be why he supports them. I honestly don;t see the big deal here

Russ 13-01-2010 09:49
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If he supports Arsenal it makes you wonder why he ran half the pitch to celebrate scoring a goal in front of their supporters.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 09:50
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Supporting a team is one thing, supporting the fans who scream abuse at him (check his wiki page) is another..

Damien 13-01-2010 10:09
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943901)
Supporting a team is one thing, supporting the fans who scream abuse at him (check his wiki page) is another..
The relationship between him and the fans had broken down long before that. After the Milan stuff the summer before the next season he was very lazy. Taking ages to talk about from off-side positions and demanding higher wages and as well, it has since emerged, of being a disruptive force in the dressing room. Especially to his fellow strikers Van Persie and Bentner. In turn the fans give him abuse.

Besides his work rate at city had dropped to the point where he was being left of the squad.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 10:13
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Either way the chanting was racist, no excuse in this day and age from any supporters of any club... I say that as it has reportedly followed him from Arsenal to City :(

Damien 13-01-2010 10:23
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943913)
Either way the chanting was racist, no excuse in this day and age from any supporters of any club... I say that as it has reportedly followed him from Arsenal to City :(
I didn't think the chanting was Racist?

Kymmy 13-01-2010 10:39
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How many white English players are told that one of thier parents wash elephants??

:rolleyes:

Damien 13-01-2010 10:48
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943923)
How many white English players are told that one of thier parents wash elephants??

:rolleyes:
Yeh sorry. I never had the chant mentioned by Wiki at Arsenal before.

punky 13-01-2010 15:18
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Glad its not just us then.

Meanwhile, if you like tasteless jokes, check the spoiler.

Spoiler: 
Sky Sports News update on the Togo team bus shooting; investigations have concluded that there were over 200 shots fired with only 3 on target. Angolian police have issued a warrant for the arrest of Emile Heskey.

TheDaddy 13-01-2010 15:54
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34944131)
Glad its not just us then.

Meanwhile, if you like tasteless jokes, check the spoiler.

Spoiler: 
Sky Sports News update on the Togo team bus shooting; investigations have concluded that there were over 200 shots fired with only 3 on target. Angolian police have issued a warrant for the arrest of Emile Heskey.
The African Cup of Nations the only football competition that starts with a shoot out instead of finishing with one....

---------- Post added at 14:54 ---------- Previous post was at 14:50 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943898)
So are you rying to tell us that everytime a player switches sides he's gotta change who he supports in real life?? :rolleyes:

I honestly don;t see the big deal here
Did he say that? Imo it's a respect thing, no one expects him to change allegiance but at least have the decency not to be wearing another clubs shirt whilst doing an interview.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 15:59
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
After being shot at and losing friends as well as friends injured do you honestly think he cares about it?? :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 13-01-2010 16:05
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34944147)
After being shot at and losing friends as well as friends injured do you honestly think he cares about it?? :rolleyes:
Wouldn't have taken much thought to say to himself that's probably not appropriate for a tv interview, infact why have that shirt in the first place, as you say though, as if he cares about his new club and the fans that pay him millions.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 16:08
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I'm a city fan and I really don't care what he wears and what he does as long as on the pitch he plays well...

For all I care he could run down the street naked (though let me get my camera out first as it'll get me £250 on YBF)

punky 13-01-2010 16:20
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I do find it a bit curious that after giving Spurs fans so much stick for that chant, Arsenal fans turn around and use it at the first possible oppotunity.

Damien 13-01-2010 16:23
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34944161)
I do find it a bit curious that after giving Spurs fans so much stick for that chant, Arsenal fans turn around and use it at the first possible oppotunity.
Spurs fans mostly get stick for the Sol Campbell stuff. It seemed even worse when he was at Portsmouth. Every time I go to a match I never really hear a 'nasty' chant. So I was quite surprised.

Matty_ 13-01-2010 16:59
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Maybe Adebayor nicked the shirt at the same time as all the boots when he left Arsenal last year :p:

It`s a very nice polo shirt, probably Van Persie`s :D

punky 13-01-2010 17:07
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
A little perspective on Adebayor's shirt: It looks like the one I bought my dad so we are talking at least 3-4 years ago.

I think the only thing we can conclude that he's tight-fisted.

Damien 13-01-2010 17:14
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34944204)
A little perspective on Adebayor's shirt: It looks like the one I bought my dad so we are talking at least 3-4 years ago.

I think the only thing we can conclude that he's tight-fisted.
Or he had it in Togo and just grabbed something. Seems odd he wouldn't notice the massive Arsenal logo but oh well. He is a player to wind people up but given the events I think it's an unimportant slip.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 17:22
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Perhaps as mentioned in another forum he'd over the years sent to his family a lot of merchandise from the clubs he'd played for. He doesn;t live there anymore so just grabbed what he could ;)

Whatever his reasons as a City fan I'm not petty enough to worry about it :D

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 19:26
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943898)
So are you rying to tell us that everytime a player switches sides he's gotta change who he supports in real life?? :rolleyes:

There's been lots of ManU players who have been lifetime City, liverpool, chelsea and arsenal supporters for example. I'm sure that it's the same with any club.

Also Adebayor idolised Kanu whilst Kanu played for arsenal this might be why he supports them. I honestly don;t see the big deal here
Is that what i said or even implied? You got that from "quite odd" (which it unquestionably is, whatever reasons or factors are thrown in)? If you want an excuse to rant and get sometihng off your chest, please aim at the correct target.

I know all about Adebayor's idolisation of Kanu, we're part of the same congregation.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 19:27
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Now there must have been a reason as to why I ASKED "So are you trying to tell us.....??"

;) :p:

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 19:37
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34944290)
Now there must have been a reason as to why I ASKED "So are you trying to tell us.....??"

;) :p:
It's a pity you haven't noticed my questions yet. I'll try again:

Is that what i said or even implied?

You got that from "quite odd" (which it unquestionably is, whatever reasons or factors are thrown in)?

Kymmy 13-01-2010 20:09
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
So you're answering a question with a question... :rolleyes:

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 21:01
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34944313)
So you're answering a question with a question... :rolleyes:
So are you trying to tell us the price of fish in Timbuktu is steeper than that of Khartoum?

Kymmy 13-01-2010 21:07
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
And yet another question.. Reread the first line in post #1439 and then you can answer my question ;)

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 21:17
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34944357)
And yet another question.. Reread the first line in post #1439 and then you can answer my question ;)
Sorry, i thought responding to simple statements with illogical, irrelevant questions was acceptable. Do i have to answer your effort first, before i get an answer to mine?

No thanks.

Kymmy 13-01-2010 21:37
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Your choice, at least now the thread is able to continue...

What a shame plucky Reading has gone a goal behind after that Liverpool deflection into the net :(

Niles Crane 13-01-2010 21:48
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34944382)
Your choice, at least now the thread is able to continue...
Yes, so..............

Quote:
Adebayor: Honest error wearing Arsenal shirt

Manchester City forward Emmanuel Adebayor has revealed the reason behind him being photographed wearing an Arsenal shirt on Tuesday.

The former Gunners' striker was giving an interview following the gun attack on Togo's team coach in Angola last week, which resulted in the death of three people including Togo's assistant manager and press officer.

Media reports instead focussed on Adebayor's attire, with the Arsenal top he was wearing sparking a range of claims suggesting the forward could be returning to the Emirates Stadium, or that the pictures had been digitally modified.

However, Adebayor has admitted that the images were genuine, but that he simply had not realised what he was wearing.

"I realised this morning when I woke up that I was wearing an Arsenal shirt yesterday," he said.

"What happened was that on the Angola border, we left all our baggage on the bus and ran away. So I had nothing to wear and the first person I asked gave me that shirt.

"I didn't even realise what I was wearing. Even yesterday, instead of going to my room to sleep I went to the wrong room.

"Everyone is confused about what happened. In our heads we don't know what we are doing."

The 25-year-old added that he and his fellow countrymen are still in shock following the attack in the Cabinda region of Africa Cup of Nations host Angola.

He will also take his time before returning to England, and to action with Roberto Mancini's side.

"I am sweating every day, and every day God makes," he said. "At the moment I can't eat, I am losing weight. It is very difficult for everyone.

"I will take my time and come back on the pitch at the right time.

"My boss and my team understand that, that is the most important thing. They know I need time to recover from this.

"It is difficult because my personal press officer died in my hands, that is the worst image I have had in my life.

"He passed away in my hands. It is very difficult."

http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/46057/default.aspx

TheDaddy 13-01-2010 22:03
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34944391)
so..............
A genuine responce imo and good for him, taking the time to explain to the fans at a very troublesome time

Damien 13-01-2010 23:23
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Yup.

---------- Post added at 22:23 ---------- Previous post was at 21:08 ----------

HAHA Liverpool are out of the FA cup!

Kymmy 13-01-2010 23:23
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
:clap: Well done Reading tonight :clap:

Russ 13-01-2010 23:24
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Seriously, can Rafa survive this? If it's a compensation matter then flog Torres to us for £25 mil, use it to pay off Rene from Allo Allo's contract and get in a new manager.

Turkey Machine 13-01-2010 23:25
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
2 of the big 4 out already. This could be anybody's cup this year. :)

Kymmy 13-01-2010 23:25
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34944496)
Seriously, can Rafa survive this?
Probably not

punky 13-01-2010 23:36
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Rafa will have until the end of the season.

sherer 13-01-2010 23:49
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
not a great result and maybe the money they will lose will mean he has to go. If they get knocked out the UEFA Cup too it wil be a disaster for them

Saaf_laandon_mo 14-01-2010 10:06
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Having just signed a 5 year contract can Liverpool afford to sack Rafa? 20 million compensation will be hard to come by, especially if they fail to qualify for Champions League at the end of this season.

Damien 14-01-2010 10:41
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34944496)
Seriously, can Rafa survive this? If it's a compensation matter then flog Torres to us for £25 mil, use it to pay off Rene from Allo Allo's contract and get in a new manager.
I doubt a decent new manager would jump at the chance to manage and in-debited, Torres-Less, Poorly run Liverpool. High exceptions and no decent resources for the foreseeable future.

Anyway United have their own problems. They can't afford £25 million. Spending that much given their already serious debt would be madness.

punky 14-01-2010 10:59
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
The most common complaint from United fans lately is about their injuries. Do they really want the most injury-prone striker in the EPL? He even went off injured last night, funnily enough. I know its a bit early but they don't know how long he'll be out for.

And besides, United had the chance to sign Torres when they sold Dietmar van Nostrelboy but chose not to. So I doubt he is on Ferguson's radar at the moment.

Matty_ 14-01-2010 14:25
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Liverpool=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Ravenheart 14-01-2010 17:33
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Breaking News: Harry Redknapp has been charged with 2 counts of cheating the public revenue.

Sum believed to be around £40K

Damien 14-01-2010 17:36
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenheart (Post 34944939)
Breaking News: Harry Redknapp has been charged with 2 counts of cheating the public revenue.

Sum believed to be around £40K
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...ngland&cc=5739

What's the punishment? Anyone know? If he was guilty what would Spurs do?

Ravenheart 14-01-2010 17:46
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34944942)
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...ngland&cc=5739

What's the punishment? Anyone know?
Could be a custodial sentence if found guilty Source: Sentencing Guidelines

Quote:
Fraud
Excise/Revenue fraud - Tax evasion
AG’s Ref. Nos. 87 and 86 of 1999 (Webb and Simpson) [2001] 1 Cr.App.R.(S) 505

1. Where, over a period of time, an offender has evaded tax, they must not only pay the tax and pay a financial penalty but a custodial sentence should also be imposed.
2. The length of the sentence will depend on a number of factors including:

* the amount of tax evaded;
* the period of time during which the evasion took place;
* the effort made to conceal the fraud;
* whether others were drawn in and corrupted;
* the character of the offender;
* the extent (if known) of his personal gain;
* whether the offender pleaded guilty;
* the amount recovered.

Current Sentencing Practice Reference: B9-2.2

Damien 14-01-2010 17:50
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
LOL. He will never get a custodial sentence. Probably pay back the money and a community/suspended sentence at worst. Is 40k at the low or high end of these types of crimes?

He can afford a good lawyer. Still needs to be found guilty of course.

Derek 14-01-2010 17:53
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Win 7-1 in the Cup but don't proceed to the next round? Should have double checked the eligible player list.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8456520.stm

Quote:
Dunfermline have been kicked out of the Active Nation Scottish Cup for fielding an ineligible player in their fourth-round win over Stenhousemuir.

Ravenheart 14-01-2010 17:57
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Jockey Lester Piggot was jailed for 3 years back in 1987, but that was for a sum of around £3m. It's hard to speculate on these sort of cases, and of course that's if he's found guilty.

As you say he can afford a good lawyer.

Bulky 14-01-2010 18:31
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...859624,00.html

:shocked: can Rafa take anymore ?

Niles Crane 14-01-2010 19:46
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
On the subject of Harry Redknapp, these are all his former managerial jobs:

Bournemouth
West Ham United
Southampton
Portsmouth

Is it coincidence all 4 of these clubs are or have been in dire financial straits? Especially when you consider a Redknapp signed player such as John Utaka is reportedly earning £80,000 a week at Portsmouth! I expect that's more than any Arsenal player earns, Fabregas et al included.

EDIT: The positive of this of course, is that the future looks pretty bleak for Tottenham. ;)

Russ 15-01-2010 13:43
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
My scouse-supporting mate got sent this on the night of the Reading game :D

https://sites.google.com/a/russburt....erpoolfail.jpg

Damien 16-01-2010 15:55
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Liverpool concede another late goal and drew their match at Stoke. Whahaha.

punky 18-01-2010 12:55
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
One of the ITKs on a Spurs forum I use (its not uncommon for people to be ITK with several clubs if they are an agent etc) have said they heard Zola will be sacked and replaced with Hughes.

Its on KUMB but as a rumour.

Could be connected, but also might not be.

Damien 18-01-2010 14:11
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34947248)
One of the ITKs on a Spurs forum I use (its not uncommon for people to be ITK with several clubs if they are an agent etc) have said they heard Zola will be sacked and replaced with Hughes.

Its on KUMB but as a rumour.

Could be connected, but also might not be.
What's an ITK?

danielf 18-01-2010 14:14
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34947291)
What's an ITK?
I had to look that up. I think it's "In The Know".

For some strange reason a Google for ITK also brings up hits for 'casual' and hooliganism...

punky 18-01-2010 14:34
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
As Daniel said.

punky 18-01-2010 18:56
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34947248)
One of the ITKs on a Spurs forum I use (its not uncommon for people to be ITK with several clubs if they are an agent etc) have said they heard Zola will be sacked and replaced with Hughes.

Its on KUMB but as a rumour.

Could be connected, but also might not be.
Betting has now been suspended by most bookies on Zola but that could just be everyone following the rumour as before.

NoKnowledge 18-01-2010 20:30
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
So Henry gets no punishment because the rule book says so.

I think if Platini and Blatter were not presidents of UEFA and FIFA respectively there would have been a punishment.

TheDaddy 19-01-2010 09:05
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34947465)
Betting has now been suspended by most bookies on Zola but that could just be everyone following the rumour as before.
Shame it's been suspended, I'd have a bet on Zola staying on for a while yet. Gold and Sullivan have been successful, would have prefered Tony Fernandez but I am pleased it's them rather than a jail bird Italian or another group of American bankers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8464631.stm

Damien 19-01-2010 09:26
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34947534)
So Henry gets no punishment because the rule book says so.

I think if Platini and Blatter were not presidents of UEFA and FIFA respectively there would have been a punishment.
Good. It's not the first handball ever and they do not get punished. The overreaction by the press and some supporters is the only reason it got this far.

Damien 19-01-2010 15:43
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Portsmouth are closer to administration

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8468078.stm

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC
Portsmouth FC could become the first Premier League club to go into administration after failing to block a petition from HM Revenue & Customs.

HMRC had applied for a winding-up petition against Portsmouth on 23 December but the club argued that the VAT part of its tax bill was too high.

However, a High Court judge dismissed Portsmouth's claim and the hearing is expected to go ahead on 10 February.

The outcome could send Portsmouth a step closer to administration.

Damien 19-01-2010 21:33
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Anyone else wish they could mute the commentary and keep the noise from the ground during a match?

Matty_ 19-01-2010 23:46
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
What a lot of strange ref decisions there where in the match tonight!
All in all i thought it was a reasonably good game of football but played between 2 teams which have serious issues with defending and become really panicky at times.
Didn`t think it was a penalty, it fact i thought the earlier one when he blocked him off was more of a shout (even if a weak one) and i reckon that was what the ref was referring to when he said it was the second time.

How good are Wayne Rooney and Carlos Tevez :) there first touch, movement and tracking back etc is absolutely world class. Rooney was very quiet for most of the game, but when Owen came on and he dropped off a bit he was devastating, City couldn`t get near him!
Another top class display from Shay Given, my he has got to be the best signing City have made in years. The game is set up nicely for the second leg i just think whichever team decides to go for it will win because the defensive side of things for both sides is shaky at best.

A draw would have been a fair result imo, i just hope Lawrenson isn`t commenting on the second leg because he talks through his :p: Does he not realise that sometimes if your playing against better technical players you drop deep and hit them on the counter, like Utd did so successfully against Barcelona!

Pog66 20-01-2010 13:47
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34948329)
Anyone else wish they could mute the commentary and keep the noise from the ground during a match?
I think you could on BBC red button - you could switch between TV commentary, radio5 commentary or no commentary - just crowd noise). Not sure if you still can


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