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You have the same idea as me, but we must realise one thing, all officials have the same policy, but look at this way, it depends on waht team they support.

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There has been talk about having a second tier PL2 where the two top clubs in Scotland, ie Celtic and Rangers would join.

I look at it this way, and not upsetting there fans, but what about Scottish football, if you took these two clubs out l firmly believe, that Scottish football could go into decline, and it would be unfair on the clubs from lower leagues in English football if they went straight into PL2.

Why don't they do it this way, and clubs north and south would make money, have the two league join forces and make ONE league and you would get small Scottish clubs go against the might of playing Liverpool etc, just think of the crowds.:)

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Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez will increase the acrimony with Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson by trying to sign Carlos Tevez, whose loan at Old Trafford ends at the end of the season. (The Times)

Great signing if they get him, he really will take them to a new level, understand his frustration to at United, Berbatov is a long way of his class + he'll be reunited with his mate Javier and all those Spanish speaking players, seems like a match made in heaven :tu:

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

This will be sure to upset a few Man U fans.

Still, football is business and there are bills to pay I guess.

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Keano plays it low-key as usual http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...5875-21301770/

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You know I could see that happening and unlike the Gabriel Heinze affair there'd be nothing United could do about it.

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The problem is the bloke that owns him wants over £30million, 1 he's not worth that much, more like £15 - £20 million imo and 2 we probably don't have that sort of money to spend on players this summer. Personally i think there are better strikers around worth £30million, but it's a shame as i like Tevez, i wouldn't say he's any better than Berbatov, they're two different types of player. I was talking to someone yesterday about the possibility of Liverpool signing him, the problem i see is where would he fit into the current system, i can't see Benitez dropping Gerrard or Torres which seems to be the only two posistions he would be able to play in their current set up. Either they will have to change their tactics to include him in the squad or he will be in the same situation he is in at the moment and that Keane was at Liverpool - warming the bench.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

£22 million I read, plus don't forget the player has a big say in where he'll end up. He is easily capable of playing in the Gerrard role to, Gerrard free role wide right perhaps.

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£22m is still way too much for Tevez, I'd put him at £15m tops and that's pushing it. He's unproven at the levels Liverpool play.

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He really was wasted on you guys...........

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Wasted? Did he ever prove to be anything other than an above average striker?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/8016780.stm

I hope they treat Fabregas with the contempt he deserves.

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I would say £22million is about a fair price, maybe slightly high, but i've been under the impression he wanted over £30 million for him. He's a good player, but too similar to Rooney imo and Rooney would always start ahead of Tevez for me. Tevez reminds me a lot of Forlan, tries really hard, will run all day long, but there isn't always an end product. He'll probably go to Spain and be prolific like Forlan has been.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Fact: Tottenham are the best team in London and Chelsea are the worst - the figures can't lie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...sea-worst.html


lol :D

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Never really cared much for Lamps but kudos to the man for sticking it up the radio presenter where it hurts http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8017456.stm

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Global warming is causing some weird weather on the south coast, just seen the forecast.

Plymouth, Sunny and 15C

Southampton Cloudy and -10
:LOL:

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I LOL'd, does that make me a bad person? :D

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Sympathies for Defoe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8018192.stm


:(

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Man u 0 - Totts 2

(33 mins gone)

LOL

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Get that idiot Berbatov OFF and get Tevez on. At least he occasionally has a good game.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Spurs 2 - 0 up at half time :shocked:

Come on you Spurs

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Tevez is on. Hopefully this is Berbatov's last game in a red shirt.

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have to say , i think thats a little harsh , probably our best player in the first half , Nani needs a kick up the backside , what the hell is Rooney doing on the left wing ?? , have lost all width in the last few games due to Ronaldo being a lazy bar steward.

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Who cares what MU do, Spurs are winning :)

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Best player is good but what we need right are GOALS - and Rooney's been pushed out to the left.

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Nice one Ronnie. Game on.

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No way was that a penalty. The ball goes bloody sideways and changes spin. Absolute disgraceful. If we draw or lose because of that, i'll be gutted.

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great finish , well in THE ROON
EVEN BETTER take it back Ronnie 3-2

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4-2

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In truth if a player gets booked for a penalty he should get sent off. Count yourself fortunate.

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yyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa
5-2

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you should always care what MU do ;)

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A 5 goal comeback...ah Spurs, you gotta love the cheeky little upstarts :D

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By the end of the day we should be 3 points ahead of scouseland, game in hand and cut their goal difference down to 3 - an enjoyable saturday evening :D

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

And they say a week is a long time in politics, robbed by a dreadful decision in the FA Cup semi last week, gifted a way back into this game by another one, swings & roundabouts anyone.:D

Jim.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

In other news Swansea's hope for a play-off spot ended today, never mind boys you did us proud :tu:

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Sorry, you where saying

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Watching Setanta you would think the biggest injustice in football just happened, the worst after match comments I have ever seen, how anyone can say that lot aren't Anti UTD is beyond me, all the lot of them where sulking.

Gomez barely makes contact, it is tips of his glove, Carrick knocks the ball, he makes almost no change in the direction of the ball and takes Carrick out, and from the Refs vantage there is no way he could have seen anything but a foul. Genuine mistake at best.

I will remind everyone that Webb is a Liverpool fan - before all that crud starts!

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Such Hypocrites, we don't get a pen last week and go out of the FA Cup, people could care less, breeze over it as fast as possible. Last season Spurs got a pen that wasn't and we had a keeper sent off for it and went out of the Cup, again, at the time, nobody cared.

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I thought he had a great game, first half especially, i don't remember seeing him give the ball away once throughout the entire match. It annoys me when our own fans turn on a player for no real reasons, i think he's had a decent season. But as for Nani, he was absoloutley dreadful today, we should just send him back to Portugal imo.

As for the penalty, it shouldn't have been but you can see how the ref made the mistake because Carrick got a touch first and then Gomes only just got a faint touch on it. As they say the decisons level out over the season and that one makes up for last weeks.

I find it funny how Redknapp and Spurs fans blame the penalty on the loss, they were still winning 2-1 after the pen, i don't see how the injustice of the decsion led to the defence falling apart and conceding another 4 goals.

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Now, if the Spuds could have scored just 1 more goal before half time...

It would have reminded me of this infamous game. :D

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It always seem to be Spurs that are involved with the big scorelines. I remember a few seasons ago them losing 5-4 to Arsenal, and Mourinho (remember him?) saying that "5-4's not a football score, it's a hockey score!"

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Well quite. Setanta claimed it kicked us into gear! Big deal. So if we had woke up regardess we would have still battered them, and make no mistake we did. It could have been 7 by the end. A Pen should not stop you playing when you are winning.

What bugs me is that, OK, maybe it was a close call on Pen or not, but at least it was a Pen given of the moment, it was at full pace, he took Carrick out and made such a tiny impact on the ball that it could only bee seen on slo-motion from a reverse view, what chance did the Ref have? You would think it was the worst decision in football history going off Setanta.

Oh, anyone see Mascherano going down for Pools 1st goal? Enough said really.

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If you watched it closely on MOTD you will have noticed that there was a foot in there, although he did make a meal of it IMO.

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He made more than a meal of it, there was barely any contact, if any, and he feigned injury. I swore when that free kick was given, and swore when the Hull player got sent off. Shoulda been cautioned, but not sent off.

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Well Done Posh :)

2 Promotions in as many seasons

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Liverpools second goal had a clear handball in the build up from Lucas as well, they were very lucky to come away with a win yesterday.

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So what you are saying if one of your defenders is pushed and then kicked by an opposition player (who basically lashed out), you'd be happy for him to stay on the field? By their own managers' admission, the punishment fitted the crime.

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It was built-up frustration that manifested itself in a decision that didn't go his way *again*. On second thoughts yes, that can be unforgivable, but the way Liverpool scraped that victory shows what a knife-edge they're treading on at the moment.

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Absolute bull, if it was against you - you'd be fuming and would want him off.

And i agree with you about us, but hey-ho we'll be back again ;)

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He should have gone, he kicked out, it's an auto Red these days. My point about Masch was that it turned that game, and nobody has said anything, it's just one of those things. All Hell has been let loose over our game. Just goes to show how many people where high as a kite when we where 2-0 down - cos that's all it did, it brought lots of people down to earth with a bang.

It's not even a decision that requires discussion, I don't think the keeper made enough contact on the ball to deem it a save, same exact thing in the middle of the pitch when you take a player out with a tackle, but touch the ball, doesn't always make it a clean tackle, and you give a freekick away.

And how Redknap had a clue what had happened from where the managers sit is a joke.

All this fuss is more about people in the media thinking we had lost, then we didn't, and they are crying about it.

Funny thing is, the more Sky Sports News replay it (Oh they love us over at Sky don't they?) the less I am convinced the keeper actually touched it.

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Which merely means you're delusional. He touched it clearly and it wasn't in any way shape or form a penalty.

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Just like with any team sometimes penalties go United's way, sometimes they don't. It happens. Move on.

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Cheers.

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That's alright then. Sorry you lost out on a Champions League/World Cup/ Play off win, it happens move on, you'll get another chance to fall foul of a flawed system, oh no perhaps you wont because they are once in a career moments spoilt by 'the best officials in the game' multi million pound sport and we are relying on one guy guessing :rolleyes:

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Take a bloody chill pill! United do NOT get every decision, neither do Liverpool, although when they cheat they get the benefit of the doubt most of the time.

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Yes, exactly. It happens, from sunday league level to World Cup. Unless instant replay technology for referees is introduced nothing will change and the sooner people get used to it the better.

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Sunday league isn't the World Cup and the sooner TPTB get used to it the better, this is a professional game, it's about time it was treated as such.

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Howard Webb is disgusting as a ref, no way was that a penalty, if that was a penalty, then Gomez should have been sent off, but he wasn't.

Spurs were cruesing, then Webb made that terrible decision, this is why Man Utd will win the title.:mad::mad::mad: or was it becuase he was worried about about the backlash from King Fergie,

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Pretty sure the penalty is not the reason United will win the title..

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True, it's because Liverpool have dropped too many points. :)

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Arthurgray50@blu, the thing is, as I said above, I see it every game, a tackle goes in, they take the player out, touch the ball, they get up gesturing "I got the ball" big deal, doesn't make it a good tackle just cos your foot touches the ball.

Unless the keeper makes a serious grab on the ball or at least changes the direction of the ball it's a foul, just the same as above. I don't think he got anything on the ball, it's a finger tips (Of course I am out of my mind as is already pointed out) job, and he took Carrick out.

It's just not that big of a deal, I already said why I think they have spent over 24h banging on about it as if it was the worst decision ever awarded.

Spurs cruising, not at all, they were pants, only reason they got 2-0 up is cos we where absolute crap. Fergie told them to pick the pace up, Tevez replaced the useless Nani, we would have scored anyway. Yes, that's hindsight to an extent, so is saying that Pen changed it and we would have lost without it.

I don't mind if keeper comes out, grabs ball, ref is a foot away, carrick dives, Pen, then by all means everyone moan. That isn't what happened. It was an of the moment decision, Webb couldn't see it.......but no, everyone blows it out of all proportion as usual.

I love that fact that on certain sites Liverpool fans are saying he is a Man Utd fan, dear me, he is a confirmed Liverpool fan.

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Giggsy wins PFA player of the year award and Ashley Young wins young player of the year.

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Premier League team of the year: Edwin van der Sar; Glen Johnson, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra; Ashley Young, Steven Gerrard, Ryan Giggs, Cristiano Ronaldo; Nicolas Anelka, Fernando Torres

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6 Manchester United players, 2 Liverpool players. Says a lot about United's squad really. :)

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Schwarzer has easily been the best goalkeeper this season. VDS wouldn't even be in my top 3. The clean sheet record "he" set was primarily down to Man United's defence, he's a liability and well past his best.

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Sarretje is the best. End of :)

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No idea why Evra, Torres and Anelka are in it. Evra has been way below last season. Torres has been injured all season. Anelka had a few games when he was playing great and has done rock all since.

No Lampard? No Rooney? No Shwartzer?

Also (Rose Tinted, Sorry) I was suprised DaSilva didn't get young player. For his age and for a 1st season he has been storming. Although Young winning it, once again, cements the fact that he can't get in the England team is insane.

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Giggsy has now won every possible major domestic honour - well deserved too.

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An award based on sentiment rather than this season I'm sure. He's only started 12 games this season hasn't he?

Having said that he is my favourite Man U player and he should have won it ages ago. :)

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Sentiment based award for sure.

I'm suprised Lampard wasn't even nominated. He practically carried Chelsea through some games and has achieves a consistent high standard.

I thought there might be an Everton nomination too. Arteta was outstanding before his injury and Lescott, Jagielka and Baines have had great seasons.

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I think it is partly sentimental but also based on his age, the high quality performances are coming from a 35 year old, he's putting players 10 years younger than him to shame in the 24 matches he's been involved in in the league this season. He may have only started 12 games but they have pretty much all been against big clubs in important games and they've all been top performances.

As for Lampard, the only reason i think he's not got a look in is because the vote was taken just after Christmas, he only really started performing after Christams imo so missed out. I don't think he would have won the top award but would have been close to getting in the team of the year.

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Hasn't he got a very good disciplinary record too?

Only one red card in his career and that was playing for a dodgy international side. ;)

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Is anyone getting terrible picture from Setanta, for the Newcastle game tonight.

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Picture has always been poor on Sultana.:rolleyes:

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So Stoke, Hull, West Brom (twice), West Ham, Fulham, Blackburn and Portsmouth are big clubs in important games now? That's 8 of 12. I guess his player of the year quality is why he had to play the full 180 minutes against that world famous powerhouse West Bromwich Albion.

If that's the reason for Lampard not being chosen, then how on earth has Torres made the team of the year? He's been injured for a large portion of it and only returned after Christmas.

The team of the year and player of the year are a joke. For players like Ireland, Lampard, Alonso, Hangeland, Jagielka, Baines, Schwarzer, Laursen etc etc to not be mentioned is a travesty.

I think this sums it up nicely:

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I don't remember the criteria for winning player of the year was to have played in x number of matches ;)

Personally, for me Vidic should have won this award hands down, but i wouldn't say any player this season has been outstanding, the level of football this year has dropped imo, United are top by 3 points with a game in hand and we haven't been anywhere near as good as we were last year, i think that sums it up really. For me Liverpool haven't really improved a great deal this season, it's been United and Chelsea not performing as well as they have been. No player has really shone/stood out and deserved the award so i think it's good that a player like Giggs who is a model proffesional gets the award before he retires, rather than someone who doesn't really deserve it. I know it's supposed to be an award for performance over a single season but i think this year has be an exception for a player who has been around at the top level of football for nearly 20 years delivering performances of the highest level.

As for the team of the year, the only player i think who deserve to be there who isn't is Lampard. I think the other players are about right but there are players like Alonso, Jagielka, Rooney who have performed well this season but i can't see who i would swap them for in that squad.

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It's not, i didn't imply it was either. I was just disproving the flat out lie of "they have pretty much all been against big clubs in important games".

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He's also played in the games against Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, City and Villa though.

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PFA Merit Award for John McDermott

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McDermott

754 games for the Mariners, in total - an awesome record :tu:

<edit> please choose the footballer option from that link - the direct one doesn't seem to work??

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Yes, your point being? First you said he'd started games which were pretty much all against big clubs in important matches. Now you've changed it to he's appeared against so and so. If he'd played every single minute against the clubs you've mentioned above, you'd have a point. Of course, he hasn't done anything close to that.

Minutes played:

Arsenal - 19
Spurs - 22 & 0
Chelsea - 0 & 78
Liverpool - 45 & 17
Everton - 90 & 16
Man City - 8
Aston Villa - 90 & 90

Impressive!

He started 4 of 12 matches against what i assume you consider to be big clubs and/or important matches. How does that, in even the most generous of ways, equate to:

How about you admit you were talking nonsense and we can move on?

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You seem to be taking the whole award thing too seriously and to heart, obviously i didn't spend my time researching how many minutes he played against each team like you have. The point i was trying to make is that the games he has played in have been high quality performances, which may have made up for the lack of starts he's had compared to other players, obviously i was wrong in saying that all the starts were against the top teams.

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Yes, because i've proved you wrong i'm taking things to heart and too seriously. Classic.

Why don't we all just make random, made up statements and forget about any sort of argument, debate or the concept of fact and reality? That sounds like fun.

Yes, you didn't research. I'm surprised you'd need to, as i expect most football fans who've followed Man United this season would realise your point was false just by watching their matches. The reason i spent a mere couple of minutes collating the stats is because i had hoped it would end the particular debate straight away. Instead you replied twice, ignoring the original stats which immediately disproved your claim.

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WTF? Who cares about the awards players get? They don't affect the fans, except to cause debate amongst those who are dissatisfied with those who have (not) been chosen. Just get over it, there's more pressing issues to be moping about, like Norwich going into the sheets with regard to relegation - they need Barnsley to lose on Sunday and they need to win in order to stay up. Not looking promising!

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Talk about parking the bus infront of the goal, what a boring match. I hope Chelsea get a thrashing at home after that, they don't deserve to go through.

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Was a bit boring wasnt it. Thought Barca's shots were a bit all over the place in the first half anyway. Got to say am sick of drogba's diving. He's got to be one of the worst players in the world for it. Its a shame to because he is brilliant when he decide's to play and put a bit of effort in.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Boring? Come on thats being a bit harsh isn't it? Yes no goals, but there was some good football being played by Barcelona. The first half was anything but boring, some good little touches, nice passes, and a couple of attempts on goal.

As for parking a bus in front of goal they went there not to concede. Just because a team plays defensively minded , and yes, it was a case of lets clear it aimlessly and regroup for most of the match, that again doesn't make it a boring match. You also have to give credit to Chelsea being the only team at Barcelona's ground not to concede this season.

As for tonight I think we will see goals from both sides, it will be like a full blown premiership match, so fast paced, lots of chances to both teams.

I think Chelsea will win at the Bridge and beat Arsenal in the final.

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A 1-nil massacre. Man Utd totally outplayed Arsenal, keeper kept them in it .

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And another fine performance from 'Donkey' Dimitar Berbatov.

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I thought we totally outplayed Arsenal today, should have been at least 3-0, missing those chances may come back to haunt us but i think we have enough to see them off at the Emirates.

:mad:

What did he do wrong this time????

Personally I thought he came on and did well, held the ball up well and didn't give any possesion away, more than Tevez did.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

It did look like he'd had a kick up the arse from someone tonight. He did do more and he even helped out in defence tonight.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Its a pity that ref doesn't handle Ronaldo more often, perhaps he might actually stay on his feet more often.:rolleyes:

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Berba did better, but still nothing to write home about.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Arsenal players should start playing Mario some more - they got 1-up'd tonight! :D

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I'll swap your Berba for Bentner ...

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I think we did better as we went on, but yes, keeper certainly kept us in it at first. I was surprised the 2nd string defense wasn't too bad, it's not often our defence is better than our attack.

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My main worry about the result was we played well and only won 1-0 where as Arsenal played badly and only lost 1-0. We can't improve much but they can.

Webb has also admitted he was wrong to give a pen against Spurs

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But if we score one goal against them at the Emirates they will need to score 3 to stop us from going through. That put's us in a very strong position imo.

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Yea and maybe he shud do the chelsea games aswell to stop drogba from diving

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Anyone read John Terry's rant about Hammers fans on Monday, I think he and the completely moronic reporter went a bit OTT, which strangely enough is exactly what he was accusing our fans of, what's his problem anyway it's not like his mum isn't a thief is it? He says "if you can give it, you should take be able to take it" Whereas his mum took it and declined to give any money for it!

So in this wum's honour, here is a little vid that made me chuckle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n09zTAeHgiE

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Stockport County goes into administration...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rt/8027353.stm

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

United for the premiership anyone?

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Yeah i'm thinking so , never believe it until its mathmatically impossible for Liverpoo to win. Two stumbling blocks i see are City and Arsenal.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

How on Earth have Boro managed to stay unbeaten at home since Boxing Day, they were really dreadful.:rolleyes: Or perhaps United just made them look awful. ;)

Jim.

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:D

I agree there - I can imagine Arsenal and City going all out to spoil the party.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Madrid 2-6 Barca

Wow! I'd be a little bit nervous if i was a Chelsea fan at the moment, they've been very impressive Barca, scored some very good goals tonight.

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was just going to put that up shadow as thought you would've been mentioning manu again but no
But 6 at madrid's own ground ouch the fans must've been soo happy with that

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

7 points to go. ;)

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Less than that if Liverpool slip up at St James Park. :D