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I am very worried that the daft nationalists will succed and tear this great nation apart. |
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Jeezo Salmond really is full of himself isn't he! Some of his quotes are priceless.
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There is a real movement just now and it crosses the divides of traditional party politics. People who have become detached and disillusioned with the politics of Westminster have became reinvigorated by the possibility of being able to determine the shape of their own society. The negativity of BT and the bias of the mainstream media seems to be have worked in the favour of the Yes campaign. |
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And Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29197303 :mad: |
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I personally don't see the negativity from BT. They are purely stating facts and the case for staying part of the UK.
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Many of the facts aren't facts at all. They're glossy interpretations of opinions that allude to resembling a fact if the right set of circumstances come together under a blue moon. |
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I don't doubt that Scotland could go it alone, however not in the way the SNP have been promising.
As with many Yes voters crying we never voted for that government I have this to say We are having a referendum brought about by the SNP Scottish government who less than 50% of people voted for, in an election that had just 50% turnout. |
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You are correct in what you say about how we've got here. However, you must admit that this caught the imagination of Scotland beyond any party politics. It feels like a different place just now. I don't think this politicising of the General public will disappear after the results of the vote are announced. People are interested in politics again and they believe that their X is important. I'll bet you a pound (or euro) that there will be more than a 50% turnout on Thursday. ;) |
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People are getting tired of corporations and their control over governments these days, so people tend to see their comments in relation to things like devolution as threats rather than reality. They are in a way threats and intended to sway opinion to what is best for their business rather than the people, so it's understandable too.
So having the hated Cameron in government, along with getting support from Gordon Brown and threats from companies with Scottish in their name might just be enough to make people vote Yes out of spite. Scottish independence: Crowd protests against 'BBC bias' http://s15.postimg.org/z8fc24o8r/image.jpg Quote:
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Obviously anything less I am not happy about. Anything that has been devolved to a home nation should be outside of their MPs' competence in the Commons when it concerns other home nations only. Contrary to apparently popular belief Scotland comprises less than 1/10th of the population of the UK and has no right, at all, to a disproportionate level of influence within the UK as a whole. |
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The only vote corporations should get is whether or not to do business in a nation under the terms set forward by that nation's elected representatives, not lobby said representatives, aka bribe them to get more favourable terms and ideally land the taxpayer with the bills for their increased profits. Our governments are increasingly corporatist and that's working brilliantly given that basically none of the economic recovery's positive impacts have filtered down to anyone below the wealthiest. Governments should control corporations to an extent; this doesn't mean nationalising everything, it means not pandering to their whims, not bailing them out with taxpayers' money but letting their shareholders take the pain. It's nothing more than regulated capitalism, nothing statist about it. ---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:54 ---------- Quote:
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When we're referring to companies the size of RBS, HBOS etc., shareholders 'taking the pain' inevitably means a great many very ordinary pensioners who made no choice to invest in those companies so let's be clear that it's not only the rich who would be suffer if they were allowed to fail.
There are plenty of Lloyds Bank shareholders who've lost out massively due to the company being pressured into merging with Halifax/BOS by Gordon Brown in a rather less than transparent manner. |
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