Cable Forum - U.S President: Donald Trump

I never said that they weren't, they are not recent, so never had the reason to bring them up, not a fan of either of them or Jeb Bush who ran in the Primaries in 2016 US Election.

Let's look at what each current living President earns or has earned per paid for speech, after leaving office... Starting with the President that earns the least.

Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/former-pre...g-fees-3368127

And $104 Million is just what Bill has earned, his other half, Hillary charges extortionate sums too and she was only U.S Secretary of State for a number of years.

Barack Obama, is already said to have earned $800,000 in paid for speeches since leaving office, his speaking fee is said to be around $400,000. Which is what he was paid for, in a 90 Minute Wall Street speech, earlier this year.

It's a very lucrative life, it seems once leaving office.

... even if you were a liar in office as we know all too well both here and in the US. Mind you we never did hear to much from the usual bandwagon jumping celebrity clique about those things yet they have so much time to spend mocking Trump no matter what he does.

Mick	18-09-2017 13:16

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35916960)

From all accounts, the Emmys last night was a pure Trump bashing session. There is me thinking it was an award ceremony.

Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos, comes to mind, do these idiots not realise that they are alienating over 60 million who voted for Trump, while probably pissing off the other half of Hillary's voters for bringing politics in to it? :rolleyes:

pip08456

18-09-2017 13:24

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Didn't you know the majority of "Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos" are lovvie liberals who love preaching to us what our values should be whilst quite happily earning their millions?

Osem	18-09-2017 13:27

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35916967)

Didn't you know the majority of "Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos" are lovvie liberals who love preaching to us what our values should be whilst quite happily earning their millions?

Yes, the irony and hypocrisy evident is supreme. They talk about 'walls' whilst surrounding themselves, their property and their millions with them wherever they can. They talk about housing yet own many. They talk about the environment and think owning a Prius makes up for their stable of luxury vehicles. They talk about humanity but what humanity does anyone who dares to stray onto their private estates, beaches, communities receive?

Damien

18-09-2017 20:50

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They're trying again to repeal Obamacare:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-repeal-242821

This one seems more extreme as it's going to cut the protection for pre-existing conditions and make cuts to medicare.

It looks like they might have the votes this time.

pip08456

18-09-2017 21:58

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35917019)

If, as you say, this bill is more extreme and almost certain to be passed, then surely the ones to blame are the ones who blocked the previous less extreme one.

Surely if the Democrats and Republicans had got together to come up with an alternative to Obamacare instead of bickering between themselves they would not be in this situation now.

As both friends of Mick and myself (of both Democrat and Republican persuasion) will tell you Obama care needed reforming. It had ceased to be fit for purpose. That is their opinion not mine nor Mick's.

Damien

18-09-2017 22:31

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35917027)

If, as you say, this bill is more extreme and almost certain to be passed, then surely the ones to blame are the ones who blocked the previous less extreme one.

People need to stand by their voting record. The people who pass this bill are those who voted to pass it. If the bill is passed and signed by the President then it is they who take the credit for those whose premiums fall and the blame for those who lose healthcare because of pre-existing conditions.

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Surely if the Democrats and Republicans had got together to come up with an alternative to Obamacare instead of bickering between themselves they would not be in this situation now.

It's not as easy as finding an alternative to Obamacare. People were promised people wouldn't lose insurance and it would be cheaper. How do you do that? You can't. So either people lose protections for pre-existing conditions making other people's healthcare cheaper or the government pays in more as subsidy.

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As both friends of Mick and myself (of both Democrat and Republican persuasion) will tell you Obama care needed reforming. It had ceased to be fit for purpose. That is their opinion not mine nor Mick's.

Everyone has American associates. It's a big country. It's a very divided country on what should happen. Everyone, including Obama himself, has said Obamacare needs improving. Many Democrats from the Sanders wing want Single-payer. Many Republicans want it essentially abolished. Many voters want to keep all the good things about Obamacare but cheaper.

Ignitionnet

19-09-2017 09:37

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35916818)

Money grabbing?

So what are China then, being allowed to build pollution busting power plants, while still part of the accord?

This is what China committed to in the accord by 2030:

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Peaking of carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 and making best efforts to peak early;

Lowering carbon dioxide intensity (carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP) by 60 to 65 percent from the 2005 level;

Increasing the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20 percent; and

Increasing the forest stock volume by around 4.5 billion cubic meters from the 2005 level.

China's carbon emissions are falling, have been since 2015 when they started really cutting back on coal usage, and they are leading the world in investment in renewables. They are responsible for 1/3rd of the world's entire investment in them at last figures.

http://fs-unep-centre.org/sites/defa...16lowres_0.pdf

They've recently built the world's largest off-shore solar farm for instance.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-power-target/

Leading them to have broken their 2020 target for solar generation, set in 2016, this year. They now have twice the solar capacity of the United States.

Damien

24-09-2017 07:22

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Trump is now having a fight with the NFL and other sports teams after they come to the defence of a player who called Trump called “sons of bitches” and recommended be fired for kneeling during the American National Anthem: http://abcnews.go.com/US/nfl-players...ines_bsq_image

Distraction from the fact that in the coming days the Republicans will try to revoke Obamacare or just Trump going off on one?

Mick	24-09-2017 11:39

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35917671)

The Kneeling began before Trump was elected. It is related to them protesting alongside Black Lives Matter.

I don't blame him at all. Those players who kneel during the anthem, are what Trump said they are. Kneeling is showing of a total sign of disrespect to flag, which people fought and died for it's freedoms and they are bringing the games in to disrepute by signalling the players own politics in to the games.

It's just like the Emmy!s last week, an award ceremony turned into a pathetic liberal overkill and Trump bashing session. Though Trump had the last laugh, given how many Americans decided not to watch it.

Can you imagine the uproar, if any one of the England team, sat or kneeled during "God save the Queen" ?

Osem	24-09-2017 11:47

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35917715)

Yeah but it's still all Trump's fault you realise... ;)

The players can protest about what they wish but to make a point of doing so during the national anthem is grossly disrespectful.

Damien

24-09-2017 11:58

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I find the weird obsession with the symbolism of the flag as opposed to what it represents weird. You’ve said people died for freedom and this is one of them
, they died fighting oppressive regimes where they wouldn’t be allowed to knell during the national anthem.

I don’t have an opinion on if he’s right to knell or not, people are entitled to criticise him for it, I find it odd that the President would chose to call him a son of bitch and say those who do should be fired. Come to think of it I think my real problem is the leader of a nation getting to cast judgement on the patriotism of his or her citizens. It’s a authoritarian and nationalistic thing to do.

That said I don’t care that much, more wondering if he is up to something.

Ignitionnet

24-09-2017 12:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35917719)

I don’t have an opinion on if he’s right to knell or not, people are entitled to criticise him for it, I find it odd that the President would chose to call him a son of bitch and say those who do should be fired. Come to think of it I think my real problem is the leader of a nation getting to cast judgement on the patriotism of his or her citizens. It’s a authoritarian and nationalistic thing to do.

That said I don’t care that much, more wondering if he is up to something.

Yeah usually when he gets into these petty arguments it's to distract from something else. As far as patriotism goes we've had various politicians from the government lecturing us on it for a while now.

I'm waiting to see what delights the sociopathic Stephen Miller has in store.

Mick	24-09-2017 12:31

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35917719)

I don't think it's authoritative, Trump is just showing how exceedingly patriotic he is and that will ramp up favourably with his base.

Trump is entitled to criticise, it is just what he might say that raises the "appropriateness" of his view. We all know by now, how forthcoming he is via his tweets, but his haters want to shut him down, still scream "impeach impeach" but the Constitution does not grant the power to impeach a sitting President for expressing an opinion, or for not being popular. These same haters forget, 1st Amendment rights apply to the U.S President as well.

1andrew1

24-09-2017 12:33

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35917721)

Trump knows his audience and he was playing to it. The words he used won't alienate his supporters.
What I find strange is the criticisms of liberal regimes. Surely the opposite of a liberal regime is an illiberal regime where human rights are not held so highly. Surely we don't advocate illiberal countries like Saudi Arabia and Belarus as perfect role models?

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