Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

While I don't necessarily subscribe to the conspiracy theory implied in this graphic being circulated by some Better Together local groups, the difference between the polling results from last weekend, and the trend line implied by earlier and later results, is quite stark. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1410515104

Most likely that aberration was noise. Murdoch was tweeted his teasing stuff again last night only this time the poll wasn't what he would have wanted.

I am beginning to think The Sun might not back anyway and Murdoch is just enjoying making 'the establishment' sweat.

GrimUpNorth

12-09-2014 11:07

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35728310)

Of course costsprices may rise. If independance there would be different tax rates and import costs for Scotland not to mention a different currency.

So does that mean prices could also go down?

Cheers

Grim

heero_yuy

12-09-2014 11:09

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35728362)

I am beginning to think The Sun might not back anyway and Murdoch is just enjoying making 'the establishment' sweat.

Revenge for Leveson. ;)

Damien

12-09-2014 11:18

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35728365)

Revenge for Leveson. ;)

Almost certainly. Otherwise Salmond's politics aren't his cup of tea.

Derek

12-09-2014 11:25

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35728364)

So does that mean prices could also go down?

They could but that's unlikely. Spreading the costs of transport between 5 million people over a sparsely populated area will almost inevitably by more than 55 million.

Damien

12-09-2014 12:36

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oll?CMP=twt_gu

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The union between Scotland and England hangs by a political thread as a fresh Guardian/ICM poll published on Friday puts the yes vote just two percentage points behind those supporting no.

Despite a week of intense political campaigning by pro-union politicians and repeated warnings from business about the dangers of independence, the poll finds support for no on 51% and yes on 49% once don’t knows were excluded.

Derek

12-09-2014 12:39

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Squeaky bum time. Still hopeful common sense will prevail over the shiny, shiny key rattling of the yes campaign.

Sunday will see a bunch of 'defections' to Yes with Henry McLeish (former first minister) amongst them I reckon.

Damien

12-09-2014 12:58

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35728382)

Squeaky bum time. Still hopeful common sense will prevail over the shiny, shiny key rattling of the yes campaign. Sunday will see a bunch of 'defections' to Yes with Henry McLeish (former first minister) amongst them I reckon.

Why do you say that?

Derek

12-09-2014 13:40

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35728387)

Why do you say that?

Just the way he's been quietly slating the No campaign whilst praising yes but claiming to be a better together supporter.

My gut feeling is he will be announced as a convert to the cause at the last moment to try a get a final few votes from labour supporters.

Damien

12-09-2014 20:57

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35728274)

If anyone wants an insight as to just how disappointingly biased, selective and embittered some at the BBC have become when it comes to reporting facts I'd invite them to watch these two clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enrdDaf3uss

I would also invite people to watch the non-edited 2nd link where the BBC includes Salmond's answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...r9q-eGGE#t=670

Derek

12-09-2014 21:03

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Ooops. Looks like the Nats caring/sharing mask is slipping and they are showing their true colours

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-vote-Yes.html

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Alex Salmond’s former mentor today promised a “day of reckoning” for big business if Scots vote for independence including the nationalisation of BP, the break-up of the banks and a boycott of John Lewis.
Jim Sillars, who shared a campaign platform with the First Minister two days ago, accused large companies who have spoken out against separation this week of attempting to “subvert” the referendum through “lies and distortions”.
Speaking in the Scottish capital today, he said: “This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority, we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.
“The heads of these companies are rich men, in cahoots with a rich English Tory Prime Minister, to keep Scotland’s poor, poorer through lies and distortions. The power they have now to subvert our democracy will come to an end with a Yes.”
He said BP will have to “learn the meaning of nationalisation” and if it wants access to “monster fields” off Shetland “it will have to learn to bend the knee to a greater power – us, the sovereign people of Scotland.”

There you go. Speak out about legitimate concerns and someone close to the heart of the Yes campaign will decide to exact some revenge.

Chris

12-09-2014 21:07

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The Cardigan comes out for No, but manages to sound like an aged house master, lecturing a wayward student over the top of his half-rims.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...h-independence

"Britain deserves another chance" ... well thank you Grauniad, thank you so much for your generosity ... :erm:

LondonRoad

12-09-2014 21:57

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35728511)

I'm sure that the editorial isn't at all influenced by Rusbridger standing to inherit the Benshie estate through his wife, daughter of Baron Mackie of Benshie.

No declaration if interest in the article so I'm sure it's all above board... Aye rihgt
;)

Damien

12-09-2014 22:22

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35728523)

Craig Murray hasn't yet explained why he wouldn't or why it's relevant. Also seems to be playing the man rather than the ball.

Qtx	12-09-2014 22:23

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One thing that worries me if the yes voters lose by a small amount, will they feel robbed and forever feel bitter towards being part of the UK? Could it give birth to like a scottish IRA?

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