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ianch99 02-08-2019 18:01
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36004756)
Maybe so, but the EU vote was spectacularly dreadful for both main parties. The indications are that the Conservatives are making up lost ground now with their new leader, and a landslide vote for Brexit at the next election is now unlikely, so their vote will not be so badly split.

Labour, however, is in great trouble, with the prospect of many of their members deserting them for the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives.

They may have wanted that vote of no confidence before, but now they must surely be reconsidering.
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.

What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.

OLD BOY 02-08-2019 19:41
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36004783)
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.

What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.
Maybe so, but if they ignore the reality of their position, they will be annihilated.

Suits me. I would have thought you'd be devastated!

Sephiroth 02-08-2019 20:03
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36004783)
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.

What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.
Er, what of the Tories who have voted against the Referendum instructions according to their personal wishes? or are you being hypocritical?

ianch99 02-08-2019 21:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004791)
Er, what of the Tories who have voted against the Referendum instructions according to their personal wishes? or are you being hypocritical?
You deliberately miss my point. A member of a Political Party has a duty to ensure his party can gain, or at best, influence the ability to govern. If he/she actively attempts to block this aim then they will have betrayed their party and colleagues.

To vote against a bill whilst in Government is different. If an Government MP believes that a motion compromises the national interest then they are entitled to vote along these lines. The national interest supersedes party interests ..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36004789)
Maybe so, but if they ignore the reality of their position, they will be annihilated.

Suits me. I would have thought you'd be devastated!
Why devastated? I do not support Labour. Yes, people are able to not support Labour and Tory at the same time. It is allowed you know ..

denphone 14-09-2019 20:36
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Former Conservative MP Sam Gyimah joins Lib Dems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49703214

papa smurf 14-09-2019 20:43
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010063)
Former Conservative MP Sam Gyimah joins Lib Dems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49703214
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter:shrug:

denphone 14-09-2019 20:49
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36010065)
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter:shrug:
He is very much a centrist politician and he obviously believes the Conservatives have lurched too far to the right thus he has decided to go to another party who he finds far more appealing then the Conservatives.

Mr K 14-09-2019 22:32
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36010065)
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter:shrug:
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.

papa smurf 14-09-2019 22:51
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010068)
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
Didn't anyone tell you we are living longer, personally i'm doing it to spite the younger generations,i haven't finnished killing the planet and the EU yet,any hoo my suppertime steak is ready ;)

Julian 14-09-2019 23:08
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010068)
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
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Damien 15-09-2019 08:46
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The Sunday Times (and the Mail) is reporting that Dominic Cummings told Tory special advisors that if the Government loses in court they'll just prologue Parliament again.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...40164081868800

And this seems to be flaw in the Benn act that might have been spotted; https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15...-the-benn-act/

Essentially Boris Johnson can get Parliament to pass the Withdrawal Agreement before immediately prologue again preventing the further legalisation required to avoid no deal.

Mr K 15-09-2019 09:40
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36010078)
The Sunday Times (and the Mail) is reporting that Dominic Cummings told Tory special advisors that if the Government loses in court they'll just prologue Parliament again.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...40164081868800

And this seems to be flaw in the Benn act that might have been spotted; https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15...-the-benn-act/

Essentially Boris Johnson can get Parliament to pass the Withdrawal Agreement before immediately prologue again preventing the further legalisation required to avoid no deal.
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....

And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?

papa smurf 15-09-2019 10:00
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010079)
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....

And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?
He's just a political strategist hired by the government ,why are remainers so terrified of him :shrug:

Hugh 15-09-2019 11:30
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36010080)
He's just a political strategist hired by the government ,why are remainers so terrified of him :shrug:
Point missed completely...

OLD BOY 15-09-2019 13:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36004781)
The poorer the Labour Party performs, the stronger it appears is Momentum's grip on it.
Yes, I agree, and their voters will desert them in droves. Which party will benefit most? Well, the Brexit Party and Liberal Democrats should do well out of it, and the Conservatives, under Boris Johnson, may be (to the surprise of some), the choice of many.

If Boris does well in getting an EU deal, or alternatively in getting us out without a deal, a grateful electorate will reward him, and the Brexit Party will be doomed.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010066)
He is very much a centrist politician and he obviously believes the Conservatives have lurched too far to the right thus he has decided to go to another party who he finds far more appealing then the Conservatives.
Wanting a 'no deal' Brexit is not simply a right wing aspiration as you imply. A lot of Labour voters want this as well.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010068)
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
Are Brexit supporting Labour voters in Labour strongholds part of a right wing clique, then?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010079)
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....

And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?
It won't be 'proved illegal' as you put it. Ever heard of the Bill of Rights?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...david-starkey/


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