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How long a 'transition' period would you be ok with 1 year, 2 years, 20 years ? All to do with the next election and trying to postpone the Brexit fallout.

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It's been banned from parking in Oxford to :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-43141927

Not sure what it is with the bus obsession, the strong and stable one blew over, the brexit one has become so much of a stick to beat the cause with Nigel says they shouldn't have used it and the best one of all imo saying we send the BBC 71 million a week, let's fund our NHS with it instead never left Twitter

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It's as long as it takes to actually set up the arrangements to avoid disruption. 1-3 years I would be happy with to avoid such disruption, but I wouldn't have thought any more would be justified.

This process needs to be done and dusted by the next election but the sooner the better.

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Another remoaner fox, shot. :)

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Depends who you believe, the Sun , and very biased 'migration watch' or the Office for National Statistics.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/02/13.jpg

they would appear to back up the recruitment crisis the NHS is having.

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Interestingly, the cap on skilled non-EU immigration (Tier 2 visas) has been hit for the last three months. About a third of Tier 2 visas go to staff heading for the NHS. These will most likely be doctors due to the £50k minimum wage limit now - http://uk.businessinsider.com/nhs-st...a-rules-2018-2

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Yes, spot on. I don't know why people paste stuff from The Sun unless it's on sport or celebrity gossip.

Meanwhile, it's looking closer to a five-year transition stage. The FT states this is the case because:
1) Impossible to see a new UK-EU trade agreement being completed by 2021 as the inclusion of services makes it more complex than anything that's gone before.
2) Building new customs infrastructure at the channel ports will take five years
3) Ministers are not taking decisions now. Last August, the Government laid out two alternative customs options for trade with the EU. Is still hasn't decided which to adopt. Similarly, the Government's white paper on immigration has been delayed to this Autmn.

https://www.ft.com/content/3fd137d6-...6-4a6390addb44

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Isn't that the definition of "Having your cake and eating it"?

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Cliff edge here we come hahaha!!!!

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OK, credit where it's due. The cabinet has signed up to a common Brexit negotiating position. And what happens?

EU boss Donald Tusk responds https://news.sky.com/story/irish-pm-...rexit-11263689

Rebels press May to stay in customs union
https://www.ft.com/content/7cdae51c-...c-25c814761640

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Well, once we have left the EU, the transition (or implementation) agreement would simply be the instrument to smooth the change. This will benefit both UK and EU businesses.

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I don't think we need be too concerned about the EU negotiating stance at this stage of the negotiations. You present this as evidence that a deal cannot be done! I don't buy that at all. A deal will be done because it will benefit both sides.

Those arguing that we should remain in the customs union still don't seem to appreciate that this would prevent us from forging our own trade deals. Brexit won't work without the ability to do this, so Anna and Chuka's contention that we should actually go for that is a wrecking tactic. Brexit while remaining in the Customs Union would be ruinous for us.

Some sort of agreement on customs arrangements is fair enough, but not an agreement that prevents trade deals, which is the key to a successful Brexit.

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A customs union or whatever it's called will be necessary to adhere to the Irish peace settlement or Ireland could veto any deal. Looking like Bino; Brexit in name only or a hard Brexit. You can't have your cake and eat it or every country would want this option, it's not a hard one for Theresa to understand and I think she does.

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You are confusing the customs agreement solution with that of remaining in the customs union.

You do appear to have bought the EU's aggressive stance. It's just a negotiating tactic.

We are leaving the EU with a trade and services deal, Andrew, enshrined in an overall agreed position on customs arrangement.

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If only it was that simple. All 27 EU Governments have to agree to the deal. It only takes one to veto and we are stuck out. 40+% of our trade will never, ever be replaced with trade deals with Argentina, the Cayman Islands or wherever you are wanting to strike deals with.

You don't shut out your biggest customer - it's simple business and economics. Our business is currently trying to work on its five year forecasts - we cannot get past next year at the moment. We are seeing businesses refusing to commit to anything past the next year. Yesterday, I had the unpleasant task of making 9 people redundant as a result. I have another 10 to follow next week. That is is just me - I have colleague who are telling me similar situations. These are high quality, highly paid jobs. So yeah, they may be able to find jobs picking fruit or whatever but it is not quite the same.

So if you were one of those 27 Governments and someone came to you and said we would like frictionless trade on motor vehicles because its suits us both - if you are in the Czech Republic where all your cars are made either there or in Germany would you say yeah lets go for that. But we get through that so we move on to dairy products and we say we don't want to trade in that because we want to protect our own fathers - the French Government says well sorry - you can't have the cars then.

And so it goes on and on and on.

I think some people really need to wake up and take the caffine smelling test. The EU have been consistent - you can't have your cake and eat it. We do need them more than they need us - and no matter how much you convince yourself otherwise by saying it over and over again - when you look at the cold bare facts, when you look at people being put out of work because of the uncertainly, when you look at what is happening away from the rhetoric and bull that comes out of those who will benefit from watering down of regulation, employment rights and everything else, then you realise this is real and real people's lifes are being affected.