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'If you don’t like it, CLEAR OFF' Audience member ORDERS Remoaner MPs to 'do their job'

The panel, consisting of Remainers Ken Clarke and Angela Rayner, were asked by audience member Gary Young: “Is it time to stop complaining and positively embrace the will of the British majority?”

But Clarke reiterated: “I am against referendums”, only to met with groans from the audience in Hartlepool.............

missed this last night so its catch up tv at teatime.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/723...oung-clear-off

martyh

21-10-2016 21:08

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35864790)

I hope there aren't too many hoping for a never. They're going to be pretty disappointed. It can't be served right now due to the outstanding court case. Even if that court case and the inevitable appeal are successful it will still be served, just on Parliament's terms rather than the government's.

I'm not aware of many people who don't accept it's going to happen. Extend and pretend isn't going to work unless the extension is really, really long which isn't feasible.

The major collision point will come when negotiation is completed, at which point I would hope Parliament at very least will get a vote on whether to accept the terms or remain in, and ideally the entire country.

A referendum or Parliamentary decision, while it doesn't appeal to Theresa May's control freakery, would be far more palatable politically to her. If we get a good deal, awesome, off we go. If we get a bad deal and it's in the national interest to remain where we are, not so good.

Who knows, perhaps the EU will make some changes of its own. Stranger things have happened.

I am of the opinion that Parliament should play an important role at every level during Brexit,it is after all the final authority and we have just voted to make sure that Parliament remains the final authority ,setting Parliament aside during Brexit seems a bit undemocratic to me

Pierre

21-10-2016 21:21

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35865059)

I agree to a point. certainly no more referendums.

In no way should parliament be allowed to block Brexit. But it definitely should have input into what Brexit looks like.

I think this is very important for Scotland, and the SNP MPs would have a major say.

So input yes, derail no.

TheDaddy

22-10-2016 07:47

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The Canadian European free trade deal has collapsed, nine years of considerably less complicated, weaker negotiations to get no where, we have this to look forward to I fear

papa smurf

22-10-2016 09:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35865083)

The Canadian European free trade deal has collapsed, nine years of considerably less complicated, weaker negotiations to get no where, we have this to look forward to I fear

Wallonia continues to have concerns about the threat of surging pork and beef imports from Canada and an independent court system to settle disputes between states and foreign investors, which critics say may be used by multinationals to dictate public policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ster-walks-out

time to beef up negotiations or trot on ....

martyh

22-10-2016 12:50

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35865083)

The Canadian European free trade deal has collapsed, nine years of considerably less complicated, weaker negotiations to get no where, we have this to look forward to I fear

They are still looking to sign thursday next week ,the issues are all down to the EU and the fact that they have to please all 28 members because of the rules of the single market.This issue highlights everything that is wrong with the single market and the EU and why we need to be as far away from it as possible until it is scrapped or considerably changed .If one tiny little region can hold the whole of the EU and Canada to ransome then it shows that the single market simply does not work and trying to negotiate anything with the EU is an unnecessarily difficult task.

Canada's Trade Minister Chrystia Freeland said: "From Canada's perspective, our work is done.

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"We have finished negotiating a very good agreement, and Canada is ready to sign this agreement."

Ms Freeland added: "Now the ball is in Europe's court, and it's time for Europe to finish doing its job. We very much hope that that will happen."

Addressing the timetable, Ms Freeland told journalists: "I very much hope that I will be able to return here in just a few days, to Europe, with my Prime Minister, to sign this agreement on the 27 of October."

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The new sense of optimism is in stark contrast to the situation on Friday, when Ms Freeland walked out of talks.

"It is now evident to me, evident to Canada," she said, "that the European Union is incapable of reaching an agreement - even with a country with European values such as Canada.

"Canada is disappointed and I personally am disappointed, but I think it's impossible."

says it all really.

Taf	22-10-2016 13:18

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Wallonia, half of Belgium, sees CETA as a backdoor through Canada for the USA to wield more power over the EU economy, work standards and even ethics is some ways. It has always maintained this stance despite EU bullies trying to change their minds.

Chris

22-10-2016 14:24

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35865106)

Half of Belgium ... wow. So comfortably less than half the population of London.

Don't get me wrong, if that's the way the EU wants to operate then great, but IMO it's another example of it rapidly becoming unfit for purpose. I still firmly believe that in the long run we will be a lot better off out.

Osem	22-10-2016 15:23

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35865110)

Has the old phrase 'the tail's wagging the dog' ever been better exemplified?

Hugh	22-10-2016 18:12

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But I thought the EU made countries give up control? ;)

Stuart

22-10-2016 18:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35865001)

'If you don’t like it, CLEAR OFF' Audience member ORDERS Remoaner MPs to 'do their job'

This is an example of one thing I've seen since brexit that really worries me. The attitude that "you disagree with me, therefore you are wrong and deserve punishment". That is the basis of fascism and is what I thought we were fighting in both world wars.

Look at The Sun and Gary Linekar. All he said is "The treatment by some towards these young refugees is hideously racist and utterly heartless. What’s happening to our country?". A point which is true, and a question I'd like to see answered. The Sun's response? To call for him to be fired for propagating "Migrant Lies". Having said that, I suspect The Sun knows more about lying than most.

Osem	22-10-2016 19:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35865122)

But I thought the EU made countries give up control? ;)

It does - monetary policy would be just one very important example, fishing rights would be another, especially if you happen to be a trawlerman. There's a big difference between having direct control over your own affairs and simply being able to obstruct the majority from pursuing what their goals are, as in this case, even if a compromise is eventually reached. ;)
Maybe that's why virtually everything significant the EU does takes so long and seems to result in a fudge.

Hom3r

22-10-2016 19:14

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I'm fed up of people say where is the £350m promised for the NHS.

Despite the fact the bus said "Lets give the £350m to the NHS"

In my understanding that isn't say we'll give.

Chris

22-10-2016 19:19

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35865122)

But I thought the EU made countries give up control? ;)

I'm not sure the present impasse answers that charge in any meaningful way.

Osem	22-10-2016 19:21

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35865144)

I'm fed up of people say where is the £350m promised for the NHS.

Despite the bus said "Lets give the £350m to the NHS"

In my understanding that isn't say we'll give.

Correct, not being the incumbent Government, the Brexit campaign had no power to promise anything and didn't except for the fact that we'd have the power to decide our own affairs, including spending any money saved in EU fees (£350m or otherwise) on the NHS if we so wished.

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