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1andrew1 15-10-2025 18:16

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204727)
Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.

Don’t conflate the two

If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

Sephiroth 15-10-2025 18:41

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204733)
If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.

papa smurf 15-10-2025 19:02

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204735)
Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.

isn't america really orange

Pierre 15-10-2025 19:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204733)
If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

Not at all and that is a very strange way to view it.

I’m, very obviously, criticising the governments of those countries for their political gamesmanship not the country itself.

Jacque the onion seller in downtown Paris, and Fred the black cab driver are not claiming to take credit are they?

Stop being silly.

1andrew1 15-10-2025 21:29

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A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

Pierre 15-10-2025 22:03

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204747)
A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

We, more importantly you, don’t know that. Define “a lot”, you can’t but I’m open to hear you detail all of our work behind the scenes.

Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee say otherwise, President Trumps actions suggest otherwise.

He doesn’t even call Starmer by name. “Where’s the U.K?” Then blanks him and turns his back on him. Coordinated and well judged to cause embarrassment.

Starmer then skulks back into the background like a school boy trying to ingratiate himself with the popular kids but being totally ignored. He probably went home and cried.

Pierre 15-10-2025 22:11

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Partly, yes.


1andrew1 16-10-2025 13:33

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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?

Carth 16-10-2025 16:32

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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?

It maybe played a part, but so did covid, paying the strikers, forking out various compensations, energy prices (for all those Govt. buildings), bunging cash to Ukraine (and elsewhere), new roads . . . I could go on but it's a big list

OLD BOY 16-10-2025 18:13

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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?

The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.

Mr K 16-10-2025 18:47

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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.

Be fair OB, you can't polish a ****.

Hugh 16-10-2025 19:19

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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1760635124

papa smurf 16-10-2025 19:21

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How come brexit didn't play a part in last years budget, the one that "fixed the foundations" etc etc

Carth 16-10-2025 19:36

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I have to ask, because apparently the UK imports a lot of Pork . . . is that an English pig or a European one?

Mr K 16-10-2025 20:04

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How come brexit didn't play a part in last years budget, the one that "fixed the foundations" etc etc

Brexit as you know is a long term project to impoverish the country. It won't all happen overnight You can expect decades of pain, whoever is running the place is irrelevant. Who have thunk Project Fear was true? With the added unexpected benefit of making the migrant crisis worse. Enjoy, and dont blame politicians from all sides who said it was daft.


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