Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

I would think the above is a possibility, I think potentially higher up in the priority would be those who are engaged in the practice known as 'tramping' whereby drivers are away from home multiple days.

I've done my time travelling for work, and whilst enjoyable I'm glad it's no longer a consistent requirement.

Regardless, of the above we get to ask some interesting questions.

1. How do you entice existing licenced drivers who are currently in other fields of employment back into the profession?

2. How do you make the profession appealing to potential new hires?

3. If 1 & 2 cannot be achieved, how do we fill the gap until such time as self driving/automated HGV's become 'a thing' ?

Simple pay better wages , look at the hours worked and how about dedicated hgv lanes the trucks are hard enough to drive without having idiots getting in the way. Also cut benefits . Wales are looking at giving everyone a " minimum wage". Think it's good idea just look at Indian reservations with casinos . :confused:

BenMcr

31-08-2021 12:04

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36091456)

Wales are looking at giving everyone a " minimum wage". Think it's good idea just look at Indian reservations with casinos . :confused:

How about looking at Finland, which closer to what Wales are doing

https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz757FZE5EI

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The world’s most robust study of universal basic income has concluded that it boosts recipients’ mental and financial well-being, as well as modestly improving employment.

Finland ran a two-year universal basic income study in 2017 and 2018, during which the government gave 2000 unemployed people aged between 25 and 58 monthly payments with no strings attached.

mrmistoffelees

31-08-2021 12:23

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36091456)

1. Pay is already increasing due to the shortage of drivers.
2. Dedicated HGV lanes would cost an absolute fortune to implement and would only be implementable in certain areas of the country.
3. What does cutting benefits have to do with it?
4. Again, i don't see what a minimum wage for everyone has to do with it
5. Same again, native american & casinos ? what?

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36091458)

How about looking at Finland, which closer to what Wales are doing

https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz757FZE5EI

And the Finnish tax rates are.....?

Pierre

31-08-2021 12:35

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36091458)

How about looking at Finland, which closer to what Wales are doing

https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz757FZE5EI

Universal basic income will become a tool to control the populations of a dystopian pseudo- communist West.

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It is no longer a fringe idea of the neo-marxist Left and of the libertarian Right. It is included in the vision post the ‘Great Reset’1 as envisaged and applied by the World Economic Forum (WEF), bearing the name “Stakeholder Capitalism”2, which becomes the gateway to a fairer, more environmentally responsible society. Many labour unions in the UK have now passed resolutions at recent conferences lobbying for “UBI” that would liberate workers from the “bondage of work” and allow them to spend their time doing something else. Of course, the income will be basic, meaning you will need to accept a certain level of subsistence and no more to prevent inappropriate inequality. That would be decided by the “decision makers” in the stakeholder process which Schwab asserts would not necessarily include you, especially in the transition period. You will own nothing and “be happy about it”. No more debt. Energy will be green, rationed, and expensive, and travel will be restricted to protect the environment. Your diet will be controlled to ensure distributive justice3 in medical matters, and currency will be digital. There may be those with great wealth but that is because they will be the ones designing our better world and they need it to facilitate and support their visionary work; these are the Elon Musks and the Jeff Bezos of our world.

pip08456

31-08-2021 13:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091467)

Universal basic income will become a tool to control the populations of a dystopian pseudo- communist West.

UBI or some equivalent will become a necessity in the future. Autonimous vehicles doesn't just mean no more need for HGV drivers but every driver be it a taxi, bus or even train driver.

Automated production in factories will also drive down the need for people to be employed. That's millions with no form of income or any chance of getting one.

A dystopian future indeed but nothing to do with politics, thankfully it won't get to that extreme in my time.

Politics, Local Government etc, will possibly the only future employment, what happens to the rest of the population then? Allow them to starve to death?

1andrew1

31-08-2021 13:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091467)

Universal basic income will become a tool to control the populations of a dystopian pseudo- communist West.

What is the source of your quote?

Pierre

31-08-2021 13:51

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36091475)

I'm sure the saboteurs said the same as they threw their cloggs into the looms.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36091477)

What is the source of your quote?

apologies, I thought i had posted it.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._v2_-_Feb_2021

Carth

31-08-2021 13:59

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36091475)

UBI or some equivalent will become a necessity in the future. Autonimous vehicles doesn't just mean no more need for HGV drivers but every driver be it a taxi, bus or even train driver.

Automated production in factories will also drive down the need for people to be employed. That's millions with no form of income or any chance of getting one.

A dystopian future indeed but nothing to do with politics, thankfully it won't get to that extreme in my time.

Politics, Local Government etc, will possibly the only future employment, what happens to the rest of the population then? Allow them to starve to death?

Nah, nothing so horrible as that. What Governments will do is eventually give the unemployed masses a weapon and send them to invade somewhere ;)

Hugh	31-08-2021 13:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36091477)

What is the source of your quote?

Michael MacNeil, a Ph.D student (in his sixties, so good for him) at Bangor University, who also states

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Next_Pandemic

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The major purpose of this dissertation is to help you to be free of the fear of COVID, a fear that has been established and built by a worldwide assault by governments, transnational agencies like the WHO and NGO Foundations with a budget of billions who have a vested interest in promoting that fear. Although COVID-19 is a real virus, a fake crisis was created around it and we will be investigating how and why we have become the victims of that hoax. I write that you might find your individuality and freedom to speak once again by being armed with the necessary scientific, medical and political facts concerning the management of the pandemic. Once you are free of the fear of COVID and any subsequent pandemic, you can stand up for your freedom to live without governmental interference of your rights to work, trade, assemble, socialise and worship.

And

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...n_for_starters

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Systematic Fraud with Dominion Voting Machines in Michigan (for starters)

1andrew1

31-08-2021 14:00

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091480)

apologies, I thought i had posted it.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._v2_-_Feb_2021

Thanks.

Pierre

31-08-2021 14:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36091486)

Michael MacNeil, a Ph.D student (in his sixties, so good for him) at Bangor University, who also states

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Next_Pandemic

It's a great essay. It was/is bad enough in the UK/ Western Europe and the US. but I certainly don't think anyone in Australia and NZ would disagree with

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e I have never seen such a blatant abuse of power in the
Western world and the stripping away of the rights to work, assemble and trade of
law-abiding citizens by their governments

If you were trying to somehow dis-credit the first paper by referring to this paper regarding the response to COVID, I think it will have the opposite affect to anyone that reads the whole thing.

pip08456

31-08-2021 14:18

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36091485)

Nah, nothing so horrible as that. What Governments will do is eventually give the unemployed masses a weapon and send them to invade somewhere ;)

Good idea, let's have a proper world war this time including evry country in the world and reduce the population to managable levels. Carbon footprint and global warming reduced to match. Win-win.

BenMcr

31-08-2021 14:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36091486)

And

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...n_for_starters

This tells me all I need to know about his worldview (written in December 2020)

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Systematic Fraud with Dominion Voting Machines in Michigan (for starters) - how this is not an unfounded accusation but now proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

Hugh	31-08-2021 14:32

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091489)

It's a great essay. It was/is bad enough in the UK/ Western Europe and the US. but I certainly don't think anyone in Australia and NZ would disagree with

If you were trying to somehow dis-credit the first paper by referring to this paper regarding the response to COVID, I think it will have the opposite affect to anyone that reads the whole thing.

Yes, his papers on COVID are obviously sensible…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ntline_Doctors

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Vaccination compromises natural immunity, destroying natural antibodies which offer long-term and robust immunity against new variants. Vaccination is only effective against the variant it targets.

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Asymptomatic transmission amongst the unvaccinated transmits immunity, not disease. The best recommendation for an elderly person is to hug their grandchildren

Pierre

31-08-2021 14:55

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36091493)

Yes, his papers on COVID are obviously sensible…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ntline_Doctors

I didn’t bring up any of his papers on COVID, You did.

I wasn’t talking about COVID, there’s another thread for that. Perhaps you could post things there yourself and argue with yourself about what you have posted?

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