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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35967537]I have read your post and duly responded.

No you haven’t, just answer my point legitimate points



But you seem to be ignoring the very real fact that exiting the European Union is enshrined in law. It will happen and cannot be stopped unless a law is passed to do so.

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The fact that 10 MP's from NI who were bribed £1+ Billion to help Mrs May and who are shackling her ability to negotiate with the EU are a "side show"?

*drops microphone*

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[QUOTE=Pierre;35967550]There is a clue here somewhere :)

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Absolutely, and this will need to be put before parliament and voted on before March next year.

Otherwise we’re out.

I don’t see a lot of a action about this? If we need to to stop Brexit now politicians come do a propose a law to stop it, and vote on it, and implement it.........a bit quiet though isn’t it?

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irrelevant.


Within five months......unicorn country.

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I don't think this is one of the bigger issues facing a second referendum. As you've said elsewhere the law could be changed and the EU is hardly new to fudging things if they want to do so. The referendum would probably require a delay to Article 50 as a prerequisite but I think they would get it. We would also need our Parliament to change the law but that would be easy, you don't need a complicated bill. Just a few lines revoking the previous one. Parliament can work super quick if it needs too.

The most likely second referendum scenario is that May's Brexit deal is voted down in Parliament and now we have No Deal as the default prospect. Then somehow (this is the most unlikely part) the government decides that this 'isn't what people voted for' and puts the question out to the country. In this case they ask the EU for a delay and the EU grants it on the condition that this is not a delay to reopen the deal talks but to decide if we're staying or leaving without any deal. I suspect the EU would like that scenario.

The bigger problems I see with a referendum are: 1) Who actually calls it and why? and 2) If Remain were to win then what? Huge problems unless it was an overwhelming victory.

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Prisons are already overcrowded. You'll need quite a lot of new prisons tbh.

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You don't know the meaning of the word honest.

Because all you said above is nonsensical - two parties in last years snap election had manifesto's on respecting the leaving decision, they obtained the largest vote share, thus, what you say about the electorate is dishonest.

One party stood on a platform to hold another vote - they gained very little seats, the UK does not want another vote, that was very clear in 2017.

The majority of the people who voted in the referendum voted for Brexit - therefore we are leaving the EU, you need to bring yourself back down from the losers march on Saturday, whatever wishful spiritual energy you picked up on Saturday, with the gang of democracy abusers, is short lived because we will still be leaving the EU.

There will be no second referendum, because the country does not want it, that much is still very apparent!

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We keep going - Best of 3, may be 5?

Then we can watch selfishness destroy democracy in this country, because the losing side will keep insisting on another vote... :rolleyes:

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I suspect a lot of it is boilerplate stuff that's relatively uncontroversial. Keeping the open skies agreement, nuclear material agreements, how meets are scheduled between the UK and the EU blah blah blah.


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If this were to happen we could have to clarify with the EU that we can revoke Article 50 (without looking at legal options) if so we would also have to ensure we maintain membership on the current terms. Any refusal to do that would kill Remain's chances stone-dead.

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There is no way that the EU would allow us to keep our rebate and opt outs. We are to be punished for even thinking of leaving. That means an extra £4bn a year and having to dump the pound for the Euro. That would be just the beginning of the botty spanking.

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Debate by insult, nice ... but you have form here so no surprise.

So you think I am a liar but you mistake me for the Leave campaign leaders. These are the Liars dragging this country into the abyss.

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Over 14,000 now :dmonk: the momentum is gathering.


over 15,000 now


over 16,000 now

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That's just speculation though. The other side is that the same factors that gave us the rebate are in play. We're one of the major powers in the bloc and they'll want our budget contributions. If they were offered the chance for this whole thing to end then I think they'll probably just go 'sod it' and revoke Article 50 and move on. The only concession I would expect them to require of us would be some mechanism by which we don't try to leave for another 10 or so years.

Also the rebate is more at risk than joining the Euro. They probably don't want us in there with the risk of us trying to change/screw it all up. The Euro has given them enough of a headache for the last decade without now having to add one of the major European economies to it.

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'Democratic arithmetic'


Raab REJECTS second Brexit vote - 'Protest can't trump referendum'



Ah well never mind it was a lovely day and the buss was free.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ic-Raab-latest

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There was no insult, just facts. So get a bloody grip.

Total rubbish - it's the same crap said for years now, with talk of recessions right after a leave result, hundreds of thousands of job losses also, a emergency budget, tax rises. ALL turned out to be project fear, we do not need to be in a con job corrupted union to do our own trade deals.

There was plenty of bullshitters in either campaigns, but again from you, it's one sided rubbish.

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What are you on about? Are you trying to draw a distinction between the proportion of the electorate that voted and the proportion that did not?

It is you who needs to be honest. The fact is, people were asked whether they wanted to leave or to stay. The majority who voted said they wanted to leave. It was made clear from the beginning that the decision of the electorate would be final.

That is precisely what is happening and remainers need to swallow that.

And what Mick said about there being very little support for your view at the last General Election is also true.

Please, stop daydreaming and get real, this nonsense has gone on long enough.

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Have you not been following the news, Seph?

End to free movement, the price of leaving, ECJ jurisdiction ending, all that stuff.

The finer details will be presented when the EU signs up to the deal. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, and remember, the backstop was accepted by us earlier and now we've gone back to it.

So just be a little more patient, and all will be revealed. Not long to go now.

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Do you write TMs speeches OB ? ;)

Think you'll find we've many years of never ending 'transition' ahead.