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papa smurf 16-09-2026 20:00

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222441)
Well, the Representation of the People Bill currently going through the Lords was introduced in February 2026, before Reform’s major donors decided to move back to the UK after decades of living abroad to avoid paying taxes, to fund the Party that has promised to change the laws that would directly benefit those donors by hundreds of millions each year, and the limitation of donors (ban crypto-asset political donations, caps overseas elector donations at £100,000, and shifts company donation testing from revenue to profit) was part of that Bill…

so not a law yet then

Hugh 16-09-2026 20:18

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222439)
where was all the moaning about donations before reform scooped the jackpot

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222442)
so not a law yet then

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jem 16-09-2026 20:20

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222442)
so not a law yet then

No but it seems that this possibility was recognised back in February. It generally takes a long time for new laws to be enacted - for good reasons.

Hugh 16-09-2026 20:23

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36222444)
No but it seems that this possibility was recognised back in February. It generally takes a long time for new laws to be enacted - for good reasons.

And it was announced in the HoC on the 25th March (before any of the crypto-squad donations) that it would be retrospective to that date…

Carth 16-09-2026 23:30

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Ban the whole lot for me, as mentioned earlier it just opens up the doors for possible corruption, of which there's already enough of with the 2 or 3 'houses/offices' required and half the family being paid as 'staff'.

Oh, and if Andy 'the man' Burnham gets his way with the No,10 in Manchester idea, wait for the pleas for extra dosh due to the security and the overnight accommodation (which definitely won't be in a B&B or cheapo travel lodge)

papa smurf 17-09-2026 06:13

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222445)
And it was announced in the HoC on the 25th March (before any of the crypto-squad donations) that it would be retrospective to that date…

if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence

Itshim 17-09-2026 10:37

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222455)
if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence

Isn't law yet , so your premis would depend on what they do once it is.

papa smurf 17-09-2026 11:00

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36222464)
Isn't law yet , so your premis would depend on what they do once it is.

my premise would be it's already spent

Hugh 17-09-2026 11:28

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222466)
my premise would be it's already spent

Well, if an General Election was called any time within the next 365 days, they’d be screwed, as they would not be allowed to spend any more on electioneering…

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For a political party standing in a general election, their limit in each part of the UK is calculated by multiplying the number of constituencies they are contesting by a monetary value – originally £30,000 per constituency then raised by the UK Government in November 2023 to £54,010. Currently, a political party contesting all 632 seats at a UK Parliamentary general election can spend up to £34 million in the year before polling day, up from £18.96 million under the previous rules.
https://www.transparency.org.uk/news...rs-spend-money

Damien 17-09-2026 11:41

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222455)
if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence

Yes, in theory.

I don't like retrospective laws. Ironically, it's actually a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. You can't prosecute someone for doing something that was understood to be legal at the time. It's obvious how a Government could abuse that.

Reading around a bit, it seems there are exceptions if it's in the public interest. The fact that the Government had already announced it would be illegal after a backdated date means no one can claim they didn't know might also help them. And obviously Parliament can do whatever it wants in theory.

But it seems that in those cases it needs to be something very urgent. The example given is that if they accidentally made a tax loophole that millions could take advantage of, they would immediately say they're passing legislation to fix it, and anyone abusing that loophole since that announcement would be retrospectively criminalised.

I think Reform should be allowed to keep the money, and you only ban it from the date the bill passes. Too dodgy otherwise.

papa smurf 17-09-2026 11:59

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222467)
Well, if an General Election was called any time within the next 365 days, they’d be screwed, as they would not be allowed to spend any more on electioneering…



https://www.transparency.org.uk/news...rs-spend-money

and assuming we don't drag up the most ridiculous scenario and it's the normal 5 year ish term

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222471)
Yes, in theory.

I don't like retrospective laws. Ironically, it's actually a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. You can't prosecute someone for doing something that was understood to be legal at the time. It's obvious how a Government could abuse that.

Reading around a bit, it seems there are exceptions if it's in the public interest. The fact that the Government had already announced it would be illegal after a backdated date means no one can claim they didn't know might also help them. And obviously Parliament can do whatever it wants in theory.

But it seems that in those cases it needs to be something very urgent. The example given is that if they accidentally made a tax loophole that millions could take advantage of, they would immediately say they're passing legislation to fix it, and anyone abusing that loophole since that announcement would be retrospectively criminalised.

I think Reform should be allowed to keep the money, and you only ban it from the date the bill passes. Too dodgy otherwise.

yes covered by article 7 of the echr oh the irony of that pure comedy gold :)

Hugh 18-09-2026 05:59

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36222344)
Yeah that is the investment risk but those who "Hedge" their bets and follow the patterns know it is all manipulated

Funny you should say that…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1789711076

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1789711076

papa smurf 18-09-2026 07:30

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Bitcoin is completely legal to buy, sell, and hold in the United Kingdom. The government classifies it as personal property, but not as legal tender.


i was out for a meal on Tuesday, out of the 12 of us 3 were heavily into crypto 1 bitcoin and the others some different form of crypto,these were young people one mid 30s the other 2 early 20s,i could hardly get my head around the conversation,but the young uns seem to like it

OLD BOY 18-09-2026 07:31

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.

Damien 18-09-2026 07:39

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I think it's become clear that Crypto isn't the future. It will be around for a while, but not as a key or useful part of society.


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