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Yeah, I know all about it. This was after

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...e-declaration/

https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/...kabee-h8oyqdib

https://www.thetimes.com/us/american...tine-j2khd0f77


“Vital”. Any detail on that?

Trump just publicly humiliated Starmer, he looked like an imbecile.

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Try watching something other than GB News… ;)

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https://archive.ph/FWDbONaturally, Witkoff's statement was a rebuttal of the incorrect information in those articles.

You would have to ask Witkoff not me for the full details. The Times gets close. Some of the less well-informed observers criticised the UK for recognising Palestine. That same The Times article explains how this was necessary to split the Arab League from Hamas.

And obviously, Starmer doesn't need Trump's assistance to do that! ;)

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Starmer and by association the U.K. look pathetic.

Trump played him and he fell for it like a complete novice.

It’s a national embarrassment.

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The UK has minor influence on things like this because there is little we can do. We don't hold any authority over either Hamas or Israel; the latter isn't concerned with our funding. The only outside countries that have any influence are America, Iran and to some extent Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement. I think some people are a bit delusional about how important we are. We've had people saying Starmer will be prosecuted for war crimes in Gaza or that this has humiliated Britain.

We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.

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The only novice here is the contrarian who criticises the UK when the evidence points firmly in the other direction.

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Speak to those in the diplomatic services and you'll soon find that the UK and France punch well above their weight behind the scenes. They have established skills built up from their days of ruling a lot of the world.

That of course doesn't make the UK a super power by any stretch of the imagination. But effective diplomats like Jonathan Powell come from an established system that not all comparable nations possess. That's not British exceptionalism, it's just our history.

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I dont think most people inside Britain care that much.

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So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5d8eec45&ei=17

Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ?

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Follow the money!

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On Brexit, she has a point. The public were told, 'Project Fear', remember?
Those papers dont want you to remember either, how you voted for poverty at their request.

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Labour never should have promised not to reverse the NI cut.

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That's the point, and the UK (along with France and Canada) trying to claiming any credit for it, after rewarding Hamas and hindering the peace negotiations by recognising a palestinian state, is embarrasing.

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Brexit, of course.

Not the taxing the economy into continued stagnation, she takes us all for fools

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Govt. thinking in a nutshell:

"oh heck, we've well and truly screwed ourselves here with some silly promises, failing to get spending under control (despite robbing the plebs), and our reputation is once again in tatters. Let's blame Brexit, that should give us a few days breathing space"

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Recognising Palestine progressed the peace process by splitting Hamas away from the Arab States.

The USA gave the UK credit for its hard work. Embarrassing that you talk the country down instead.

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Partly, yes.

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Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.

Don’t conflate the two

Reeves, and Labour’s, current predicament is all of their own design.