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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)

The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.

There’s an alternative

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)

The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.

Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211626)

I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.

It's not often I defend Starmer but he called this one right. Unlike the Conservatives and Reform, Starmer actually stood up for British sovereignty and not curtseying and taking orders from an untrustworthy overseas power. I can understand Farage's concerns with his tax exile funders wanting a bit of support now that Dubai et al have been attacked.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36211633)

Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?

Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211634)

Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.

Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211638)

Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to

Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)

Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.

Er, ??

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Re Trump’s comments about the UK’s approach.

There’s always a tweet (or two…)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1772575078
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1772575078

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)

Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.

A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36211650)

A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.

Or Blair/Iraq…

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211651)

Or Blair/Iraq…

That was the opposite. Blair made the wrong decision in sending our military into Iraq. Wilson saw that what the US was doing in Vietnam was only going to end badly.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Blair gave into Bush, because of the "Special Relationship" - not the example we should follow…

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211664)

Exactly this.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Won't matter if we join in or not, there will still be nutters determined to cause even more harm and havoc here, so the best thing to do is concentrate on defending our country, not attacking another.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Bit late for that, mate. The enemy is already here.