Cable Forum - U.S President: Donald Trump

Not confirmed yet, still might 'change his mind', but it appears Trump is looking the end the Dream act. https://www.recode.net/2017/9/4/1624...ented-deported

So as it stands, the policy Obama introduced, is currently unconstitutional.

Seen lots if mixed reactions. Mostly tho seeing many Americans wanting him to end Dreamer act because they feel, their parents should have applied for legal citizenship, rather than enter country illegally, but mostly I see them say they feel undocumented illegals, drives down wages.

Of course those on the left, thinks it is just racism.

Damien

04-09-2017 22:38

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35915272)

Well I take it they're not undocumented if they're taking advantage of the DACA and they would need to apply for a work permit. So they're no longer undocumented illegals and since they were there since childhood, anything from 1 day to 15 years, many of them will be naturalised in all senses but their legality.

So I think many on the left, although I believe many on the right as well, do not want a situation where people who grew up in America, have gone though the education system and are working will be deported from the country many of them have only ever known.

Besides that won't happen. Good luck trying to deport that many people. All it might do is take them out of the workforce.

To my mind the problem is that it's only ever going to be temporary until there is a path for citizenship for these people.

Mick	04-09-2017 23:24

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As you say, Trump may change his mind. But he campaigned on removing undocumented illegals, though, his target was those who committed heinous crimes, like murder.

TheDaddy

05-09-2017 06:50

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35915282)

As you say, Trump may change his mind. But he campaigned on removing undocumented illegals, though, his target was those who committed heinous crimes, like murder.

Why would he want them removed, surely they need to be in prison :shrug:

Damien

05-09-2017 08:49

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Remember this isn't about those who've committed criminal offences. Those who have done so do not qualify for the DACA. Here is the qualifying criteria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferr...dhood_Arrivals

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To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:

Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
Have lived continuously in the United States since 15 June 2007
Were under age 31 on 15 June 2012 (i.e., born on 16 June 1981 or after)
Were physically present in the United States on 15 June 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
Had no lawful status on 15 June 2012
Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety

So it's rather less controversial than adults who entered illegally, remain undocumented and go after work. It's not simple to qualify, morally we're talking about people who were children when then entered, they have do not have a criminal record and have completed their education to at least high school level.

However what they are is easy to find. By definition it's not easy to track illegal undocumented immigrants but in this case these people are fully documented and identified. As is usually the case with these things it's the people who've done all that can be asked of them, people who sought to do things the correct way, that will be punished rather than those who remained off the grid.

Mick	05-09-2017 13:50

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Trump has tweeted in the last hour regarding DACA:-

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 45 minutes ago

Congress, get ready to do your job - DACA!

Ignitionnet

05-09-2017 17:50

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35915272)

So as it stands, the policy Obama introduced, is currently unconstitutional.

As I understand it there's no decision on that yet, it'd have to go to the Supreme Court.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35915356)

Trump has tweeted in the last hour regarding DACA:-

Given the demographics in some Republican districts / states this is going to be messy.

Hugh	05-09-2017 19:34

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35915393)

As I understand it there's no decision on that yet, it'd have to go to the Supreme Court.

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Given the demographics in some Republican districts / states this is going to be messy.

Correct.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rs-immigration

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If Trump didn’ct to end DACA before September 5, a group of state attorneys general, led by Texas, threatened to sue to do it for him. They want to ask a federal judge who already ruled one Obama-era deferred action program unconstitutional (the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans program, or DAPA, which was stopped before going into effect in 2015) to do the same for DACA.

The lawsuit would probably result in DACA getting put on hold at some point — though it wouldn’t be at all clear when, or how.

Damien

05-09-2017 20:28

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This is like the healthcare bill. Trump knows he doesn't like something, usually something Obama did, and wants to scrap it but leaves the detail and dirty work to congress. What does Trump want to replace the DACA with? What did he want to replace the health bill with?

There is a reason Obama issued the executive order. It's because congress did nothing and this was at least something. It's a sticking plaster with many flaws but without support for a path to citizenship and not wanting to kill them all out of the states the solution was this half-way house of at least getting them with proper documentation, a right to stay and work permits.

Does Trump want them to become citizens? Does he want them expelled? Or does he just want to have the same thing in effect but freed of Obama's name so it looks like he has done something?

1andrew1

05-09-2017 20:35

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35915423)

He just wants to keep his supporters happy with the minimum effort required non his part. They won't follow the detail so will be happy.

Mick	06-09-2017 17:55

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U.S House of Representatives has approved the Presidents initial request for funding for Hurricane Harvey Aid Relief, $8bn.

1andrew1

06-09-2017 20:48

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Trump does a Hillary and sides with the Democrats.

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President Donald Trump ignored the concerns of Republican congressional leaders in forcing through a deal proposed by Democrats that will fund the US government until December 15 and provide a short-term increase in the debt ceiling to avoid a default.
In a meeting at the White House, the Republican leadership — House speaker Paul Ryan, House majority leader Kevin McCarthy and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell — urged Mr Trump not to agree to a short-term solution to raise the debt limit. But one person familiar with the discussions said Mr Trump sided with the Democrats as he insisted that he wanted to secure a deal to avoid an immediate crisis.

https://www.ft.com/content/a93c57ae-...a-eda243196c2c

Mick	06-09-2017 21:48

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Trump is still reeling with his own party over Obamacare and he's certainly let that be known via his tweets.

Mick	14-09-2017 14:00

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Is Trump having a change of heart over DACA.... latest Tweet by him....

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

Apparently he's met with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Trying to get a deal on The Wall by looks of it in exchange to protect DACA immigrants.

Meanwhile, his Election foe, Hillary Clinton, is blaming everybody and everything for her loss.... so far in her new book, "What Happened"... she blames....

Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
Barack Obama.
Benghazi.
James Comey.
The Russians.
Putin.
Wikileaks.
The Republicans.
The Democratic Party.
The FBI.
Twitter.
Facebook.
NYT.
Cable News.
Poll numbers.
Fake News.

More excuses to follow....

Osem	14-09-2017 14:58

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35916401)

Is Trump having a change of heart over DACA.... latest Tweet by him....

Apparently he's met with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Trying to get a deal on The Wall by looks of it in exchange to protect DACA immigrants.

Meanwhile, his Election foe, Hillary Clinton, is blaming everybody and everything for her loss.... so far in her new book, "What Happened"... she blames....

Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
Barack Obama.
Benghazi.
James Comey.
The Russians.
Putin.
Wikileaks.
The Republicans.
The Democratic Party.
The FBI.
Twitter.
Facebook.
NYT.
Cable News.
Poll numbers.
Fake News.

More excuses to follow....

Wow, someone who hasn't blamed Brexit for something... :eek:

:D

I wonder if she'll become as bitter as George Osborne. Maybe she just ought to move on with what's left of her life but some people simply refuse to accept what they see as their rightful destiny being denied them whatever the reason.

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