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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211480)

If Iraq and Libya are anything go by, it'll make it more unstable. The US are good at bombing, but not the 'what next' bit.

That is very true. However, there are other places where countries have been "liberated" and the country becomes way more stable than before.

Eg the former Yugoslavia. All (most?) of the states are thriving after independence. Note that Slobodan Milošević was ousted under Tony Blair's watch.

Also South Korea is doing OK.

Further back in time: many of the defeated countries after WW2 thrived such as Japan and Germany.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211498)

Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.

Indeed. Both Germany and Japan were basically taken over and run by the allied forces. It was then a gradual process to stabilise the situation, allow various democratic systems to be set up and then slowly withdraw.

Imagine that on April 30th 1945, the allied forces had decided that ‘OK, Hitler is dead, we can go now’’, and simply left and left Germany to it. How do you think that would have worked out?

There were ‘boots on the ground’, as per the modern parlance, and that is something that the US tends to want to avoid for obvious reasons.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Jem has a point. See Afghanistan for details.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Three US warplanes crash in Kuwait following a friendly-fire incident, with crew members reported safe

https://timesofoman.com/article/1689...fire-in-kuwait

Kuwait will pay for a ship load of jets to replace these us warplanes :o:

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

just watching the Hegseth briefing on sky news, now there's an idiot with way too much excess testosterone and no doubt a very small penis, oorah simplify

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211552)

I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...

Fortunately there’s little chance of me having to queue to use my home charger. :D

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211556)

Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)

Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211558)

Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.

I intend on being cremated and not faced towards Mecca ;)

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1772491454

Depart now via commercial means.

Meanwhile…

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Air has said that all flights to and from Amman, Dubai, Bahrain, Doha, Dammam, Kuwait, Copenhagen, and Baghdad are cancelled for Tuesday 3 March. Other flights are operating as scheduled but delays are to be expected.

Saudia has also cancelled flights to and from Amman, Kuwait, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Bahrain, Moscow and Peshawar until 11:59 pm GMT (12:59 pm CET ) on 2 March.

Low-cost carrier Wizz Air has suspended all flights to and from Israel, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Amman and Saudi Arabia up to and including 7 March.

Turkish Airlines has cancelled flights to and from Bahrain, Dammam and Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Syria and the UAE.

Air France has cancelled its scheduled flights to and from Tel Aviv, Beirut, Dubai and Riyadh until 5 March.

Dutch airline KLM is currently not flying through the airspace of Iran, Iraq, and Israel, nor over several countries in the Gulf region. Flights to, from, or via destinations in the region are cancelled or adjusted. KLM's Tel Aviv flights are suspended for the remainder of its winter season operations; flights to and from Dubai are suspended until 5 March; and flights to and from Damman and Riyadh are also suspended until 5 March.

British Airways is not flying to Tel Aviv and Bahrain until 4 March, while a number of flights to the Middle East have also been cancelled. The airline said if passengers are due to fly between London Heathrow and Abu Dhabi, Amman, Bahrain, Doha, Dubai or Tel Aviv up to and including 15 March, they can change their flight free of charge to travel on or before 29 March. Customers travelling up to and including 8 March may also request a full refund.

Lufthansa Group airlines – which includes Lufthansa, SWISS International Air Lines, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, ITA Airways, and Eurowings – has suspended flights to Tel Aviv, Beirut, Amman, Erbil, Dammam, and Tehran until 8 March. In addition, Lufthansa Group airlines also suspend flights to and from Dubai until 4 March.

Finnair has suspended daily flights to Dubai and Doha until 6 March, while Norwegian is suspending its flights to and from Dubai up until and including 4 March. "We will then assess if it's possible to resume flights," said the budget carrier.

Delta Air Lines has cancelled flights from New York to Tel Aviv until 8 March, while American Airlines’s Doha-Philadelphia flights are "temporarily suspended".

Air Canada has said that all flights to and from Dubai and Tel Aviv are currently suspended and restarting on 23 March.

Air India has extended the suspension of all flights to and from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar until 11:59 pm local time (7:29 pm CET) on 2 March 2026.

Garuda Indonesia, Indonesia's flag carrier, temporarily suspended flights to and from Doha "until further notice", the company said in a statement on Sunday.

https://www.euronews.com/2026/03/02/...tional-flights

tl:dr

Dear Americans,

Better get the hell out of building we set on fire, oh, and we aren’t going to help you get out.

Screw you.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

D J Trump.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.

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I think you may find that Trump’s definition of "the Special Relationship", and in fact, any relationship, is "Do what I want, when I want (even if I keep changing my mind), say "thank you" lots, and praise me to high heaven, even when I’ve treated you very badly".

An abusive relationship is not a Special Relationship…

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211627)

The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.