Cable Forum - U.S Election 2016

How anybody can make a rational judgement about any leader after 2 weeks is beyond me as leaders are generally judged on how good they are after they have left office as that is the time to pass judgement IMO on them.

Mick	04-02-2017 20:43

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883992)

The judge was appointed by President Bush.

And it is perfectly reasonable for judges to overrule actions from the executive. It's part of the system. The Government is accountable to the law and the judiciary is listed right alongside the executive as one of the three branches of the US Government. The idea that Trump and his supporters view that as unacceptable is one of the reasons people believe he is dangerous.

And finally it happened to other Presidents as well. It happened to Obama as well: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...ecision-224728 He didn't go personally after the judge or even the court itself, other than saying they needed to have a full bench (there was a tie as the court is currently 8 rather than 9), but instead went after congress on immigration.

He may still do all that. Or he could go down Emergency Order to reinstate the Temporary suspension.

martyh

04-02-2017 20:44

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883993)

If you say so, I disagree. Stop trying to force your views on me, it won't work.

not forcing views ,forcing facts, big difference

Damien

04-02-2017 20:45

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883997)

He may still do all that. Or he could go down Emergency Order to reinstate the Temporary suspension.

Still do what? I am unsure to what you're referring. The last part of my post was what Obama did when the courts stuck down one of his EO and he didn't really have the chance to do that much as the court has spoken.

Mick	04-02-2017 20:45

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883995)

Which doesn't represent the majority of the electorate ,Trump won the college vote not the popular vote .Americas voting system is bizarre to say the least and may have made sense to the founding fathers but not so much now

Cannot really call their system when our voting system is just as dire.

Pierre

04-02-2017 20:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883985)

Obama did NOT ban all Iraqi migrants or refugees at all ,his legislation re examined visas already granted and slowed the process of granting new visas by performing extra checks ,it was nothing like Trumps Muslim ban .We know that Trump used obamas list but that is where the similarities end you cannot keep saying Obama did it first because he didn't .

have a read you might learn something

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They did not grant any "new" visas for six months. That is a fact.

Also as that article points out they drastically reduced the amount of refugees that can in over a " year"

Trumps order is for 90 days.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883986)

Get over yourself, goodness gracious. :rolleyes:

I can and I have and I am sticking to my view, it is Obama's list. Regardless of what actions were took when and where.

You can and you should because you are correct

Mick	04-02-2017 20:49

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883999)

Still do what?

That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.

Pierre

04-02-2017 20:56

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883995)

No more daft than ours.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883996)

Finally, the most sensible post in the last few days

Damien

04-02-2017 20:57

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884004)

That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.

I am not sure he can just reinstate it if a court has struck it down. He'll need to fight in court.

I think they'll make provisions for Green Cards and existing Visa holders because that makes it indefensible. I sort of suspect the ambiguity on it was intentional precisely to provoke a fight so he can be fighting against the liberals. The refugee ban would still have provoked a great many people but when reports of existing legal residents being detained and even sent back in some cases came out it went into overdrive.

This suits Trump after all. He is getting stopped from doing what he promised by the liberal establishment. The actual legal ramifications of it aren't so compelling a story.

martyh

04-02-2017 21:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884004)

That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.

he is not allowed to reinstate it ,he has to go through the appeal court and then possibly the supreme court but as yet have not filed any appeal.

Damien

04-02-2017 21:05

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I think the Republicans repealing a regulation of issuing firearms to those with 'serious' mental health conditions will end up having a far bigger impact on the safety of Americans than this policy anyway. The GOP have found this issue a useful distraction IMO.

martyh

04-02-2017 21:16

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883996)

we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.

TheDaddy

04-02-2017 21:18

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35883981)

so they put an end to a law that discriminates against the mentally ill .

I'm sure that'll come as great comfort to the families of anyone that ends up dead.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883984)

And you know this how?

And please don't recite the Clinton popular vote crap, we all know that is not how American democracy works.

Kursk didn't mention anything about American democracy, he said the donald was acting on behalf of his supporters that made up the majority of electorate and that's just not true, it's not even an alternative fact.

denphone

04-02-2017 21:23

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35884013)

we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.

l am talking not just about Trump but leaders in general in that l think generally the best time to pass judgement on how they did in office is well into the future once they have left office..

Pierre

04-02-2017 21:24

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35884013)

we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.

Bollocks, you don't know him, you don't know anything about him.

You have an opinion of him from what you have read from 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand from predominantly left wing media.

So you can't "as a person" and don't pretend you can.

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