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The wording in question was "After leaving the EU, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week." - The impartial fact-checking service FullFact says this is incorrect. - The pro-Brexit Spectator magazine owned by the billionaire Barclay Brothers says the statement is correct. As a footnote and as highlighted earlier, Boris's article was unnecessary as Boris and Theresa actually agree on how a future relationship with the EU should look! |
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Please put aside these attitudes towards the rich. Many of them have extraordinary abilities that they can put to good use to help the poor and everyone else. They are, in fact, like you and me because surprisingly, they are also human. Whether you are talking about £350 million or £250 million, that's still a huge amount of money. Let's stop splitting hairs and get on with Brexit! :ninja: |
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The attitude of some remainers is desperation clinging to the 350M figure being banded about and claiming it was a lie by the Vote Leave Campaign. I think it is totally disengenuous for remainers to keep allocating this as a scapegoat in to why Brexiteers voted the way they did. As repeatedly stated at nearly every time this, done to death argument comes up, my intention to vote leave was made years ago. |
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Regarding the rest of your statement, it was actually Derek Cummings who credited the £350m pw as winning the referendum. He headed up Vote Leave and therefore I doubt he would not like to be called a remainer! And as Ignitionet has patiently explained, it was the Statistics Regulator who pulled Boris up, not remainers. He's required to do that as part of his job .(Sir David Norgrove, that is, not Ignitionet.:)) |
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As usual, one sidedness rears its ugly head.
I repeat, it is not a lie. The UK gives the EU a "gross" contribution of £350 million a week, of that amount, most of it which "could" be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remainers' being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’. But if we want to discuss voter influence, no problem, as for lies, there were plenty told by Remain campaign... Such as....
How many of the above lies attributed to the undecided folks going with voting Remain....? So I'm sorry, this voter influence works both ways I'm afraid. :rolleyes: |
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More importantly, whilst every UK household pays £317 to the EU, Brexit is set to cost each household a reported £4,200. (I think that figure explains why the Government is aiming for a two-year standstill period and why the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy wants a five-year period.) However, if the Brexit press is to be believed, the Coalition of Chaos continues to lurch from division to division. The Sunday Telegraph is reporting that Boris is demanding no new EU rules after 2019 which will cause a cabinet split. His demand puts him on a collision course with the Treasury, which wants a “status quo” transition. The Mail on Sunday says that the truce between Philip Hammond and Boris Johnson has ended with Philip Hammond annoyed that Boris's team people claim that Boris blocked a five-year Brexit transition. According to the paper, the feud between the two is beginning to look like a fight to the political death. The Sunday Times is reporting that four of Theresa May's senior ministers had made plans to replace her after the general election. Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, David Davis and Amber Rudd were embroiled in leadership plots after she surrendered the Tory majority. |
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I see you avoided commenting on the remain lies that haven't happened Andrew continuing to flog your favourite dead horse but then your always happy to ignore things that don't suit your agenda. In or out things were never gauranteed and both have their risks but being out means the UK government is in a position to do whats best for the UK and only that now if only we could get some decent politicians.
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The £350 million claim is highly misleading at best and a lie at worst. We don't send that and we control the money we do not send. The only people who claim it to be true are the Brexit camp.
Full Fact say it's false: https://fullfact.org/europe/350-mill...hority-misuse/ The UK Statistics Authority say it's false. The Institute for Fiscal Studies say it's false: https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-week-brussels Even the Brexit-supporting Telegraph weren't defending it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/eu...-fact-checked/ Now Boris chose his words carefully to say 'control' rather than the 'spend' they used in the referendum but I think that's just a typical weasel way politicians word things in order to seem like they're promising something they're not. 'Controlling' this money means nothing if 1) it's not really there and 2) you can't spend it. |
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Oh fgs nobody i know or have seen on the internet took the £350 million thing as a major aspect of how or why they voted as they did it was a silly claim but it was one silly claim amongst many many others as much by remain as anyone else war, collapse of europe which everyone on the remain side seems to have forgotten about which is funny given the total clarity they have on the stupid £350 million claim.
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The brexit claims were just outright lies. The truth is no one on that campaign had any idea what leaving would really mean.
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