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Also because the future is moving that way anyway so we might as well prepare for it.

As for 'green ideas or plans' even if you don't 'believe' in global warming we all agree pollution is bad don't we?

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it's good for business just think of the money spent on various products for cleaning the air ,and then think if the air was clean where would income come from all those people in all those industries out of work losing their home the kids starving living in cardboard boxes ,but hey Elon musk will be supping up the gravy .

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These Westminster elite twits me mad. Try buying a decent sized MPV which isn't diesel. There are very few around. Oh and try telling your autistic child that they've got to hang around for hours waiting for batteries to charge when they want to go somewhere.

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23 years is a long, long time away. Electric cars may be obsolete by then!
Four per cent seems a reasonable estimate now but in ten years' time I think it will be far, far higher as ownership barriers reduce. Certainly, operating costs are lower for electric vehicles but it's the high initial cost, lack of range and charging that probably put most people off at the moment.

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Says who ?

You might want to look back a few posts at the cost examples.

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At the moment electric cars aren't viable for most people but the Government is talking about 23 years away not 23 hours!

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Again, they're not making everyone buy electric cars now. 23 years ago the 'global super information highway' was the next big thing. The Nokia 3310 was 6 years away.

The world doesn't stay still, it moves on. Electric cars are coming. Manufactures and governments are moving in that direction and it would be foolish not to plan for it. If Tesla can build electric sports cars with a range of 300 miles now, after 10 years since their first car, imagine what we'll be able to do in another 10 years. Especially since now it's no longer a niche market with BMW producing an electric mini, Ford looking at electric engines and Volvo going electric only.

A society with less technological sophistication than ours managed to move to the combustion engine, set up those networks, we can do the same.

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I've not read any on this thread and I've been back a few pages. It's the high upfront cost that's prohibitive at the moment. To charge a Nissan Leaf for 80 miles costs about £1.50. Maintenance costs are a lot lower which is a threat to garages.

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lets not forget battery lease charges £70 per month

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It's included in the price of the car which makes the car pricey but you can lease both instead.

"The lithium battery pack is included in the price of your Leaf. It is guaranteed for eight years, although Nissan reckons it should have a useful life of ten years. Replacing it out of warranty will cost £5,000, but you’ll get £1,000 back if you trade in the old one."
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/leaf

Costs will inevitably come down as electric cars go mainstream but the way people buy transport will change in 23 years' time with self-driving vehicles. Like music and films, people may well start paying monthly subscriptions for access and not upfront for ownership. Diesel and electric cars will become the Virgin Megastores and Blockbuster Video of the highways.

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... and what happens if/when their 2040 deadline is there and the required national infrastructure isn't? Providing enough charging points is going to be a massive task and it wouldn't surprise me if half way through the hugely costly and protracted process they drop the whole thing in favour of something else. Remember it was only a couple of years ago that they were cajoling people into buying diesel cars. I bought one and now I'm a pariah...

You keep drawing analogies with phones and the internet - if they don't start digging up roads and putting in charging points soon it'll be too late. If they can come up with a way to charge up cars wirelessly via the internet maybe they have a chance...

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The key thing is that there is a strong financial incentive for companies to devise an easier charging solution so money will be invested into it. Mobile phones can be charged remotely so why not larger devices in the future?
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...-phone-1325667

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I see we've one or two Luddites on the forum.:)

What the future may hold:-

Solid state lithium-ion

Solid state batteries traditionally offer stability but at the cost of electrolyte transmissions. A paper published by Toyota scientists writes about their tests of a solid state battery which uses sulfide superionic conductors. All this means a superior battery.

The result is a battery that can operate at super capacitor levels to completely charge or discharge in just seven minutes - making it ideal for cars. Since it's solid state that also means it's far more stable and safer than current batteries. The solid-state unit should also be able to work in as low as minus 30 degrees Celsius and up to one hundred.

The electrolyte materials still pose challenges so don't expect to see these in cars soon, but it's a step in the right direction towards safer, faster charging batteries.

Graphene car batteries

Graphene batteries are the future. One company has developed a new battery, called Grabat, that could offer electric cars a driving range of up to 500 miles on a charge.

Graphenano, the company behind the development, says the batteries can be charged to full in just a few minutes. It can charge and discharge 33 times faster than lithium ion. Discharge is also crucial for things like cars that want vast amounts of power in order to pull away quickly.

The capacity of the 2.3V Grabat is huge with around 1000 Wh/kg which compares to lithium ion's current 180 Wh/kg. The best part of all this is that these batteries should be ready to go by mid way through 2016.

Graphene batteries have already been demo'ed to the press.

Link

That's just 2 examples of batteries being developed. The Government are going to have to get their finger out to provide the infrastructure and more importantly power generation solar and wind won't be able to keep up wwith the increase in power consumption.

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I dont think so.
The battery that will give you about 80 miles is the 24KWH.
Even assuming the charger was 100% efficient and only used 24KWH, thats about £3.00 minimum in the UK (assuming 13p per KWH which is quite cheap).
Chargers are not 100% efficient (they are about 90%, though this drops the flatter the battery was when you start charging it).

Based on what evidence ?

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the way electricity prices are rising no one will be able to afford to charge up a car in 23 years

British Gas to put up electricity bills by 12.5%, owner Centrica says

http://news.sky.com/story/british-ga...-says-10969486