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Lifting of sanctions? Not exactly rocket science.

The increased sanctions must be affecting them which also shows China playing the game.

Rather than approaching this with suspicion it should be welcomed. Obviously the devil will be in the detail but it's a start and should not be denied.

Any agreement needs a starting point. Talk,talk rather than war,war.

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Yes obviously lifting of sanctions but to what extent? I don't see them entering the world economy any time soon and they've been under sanctions for so long that you wonder why it sudden bothered them now. It's not as if it has brought domestic pressure onto their leaders or really impacts their leaders in the way the Iranian sanctions did.

You can do both. I welcome it but it's North Korea so you would have to be pretty naive not to approach it with a lorry load of salt.

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Wow Damien you either super stupid or super intelligent IDK.

They are so suddenly bothered because their long time sponsor (China) has acted.

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:confused:

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:rofl:

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Or, they've realised that they can manipulate Trump - they've got him to agree to meet, which no other President would do; what Trump has given them is a massive ego boost, by saying Kim Jong Un has made Trump meet with him by building up his ICBM and nuclear arsenal - tremendous publicity coup.

Kim Jong Un wants to be seen as Donald Trump’s equal, and a meeting would do that - just by sitting down with President Trump, Kim Jong Un would get what he craves the most: legitimacy.

He wants to be treated as an equal by the global superpower, and a photo opportunity with the most powerful leader in the free world would go a long way to helping him achieve that, and this is what his father and his grandfather wanted: to be on the same footing as the world’s greatest power.

One commentator said “A meeting with the American president has for decades been considered the prize at the end of a successful denuclearization process, not an incentive to get the process started, and neither Kim’s father nor grandfather made it to that finish line,” he added. “So I have to grudgingly take my hat off to Kim because he’s played a very poor hand brilliantly to get there.”

by the way, just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't give you the right to be very rude and call them super stupid; it's a very complex subject, not easily resolvable.

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Im sure i read somewhere that China has become more and more distant from North Korea over the past few years. Phaps China has told Kim where to go basically.

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:tu:

It's a positive development if the North Koreans are interesting in talking but we should be careful as to what their intentions are. Too many people taking them at face value which is naive for a country that has been unpredictable for decades.

As much as I don't like Trump I still don't want to see a President 'played' by North Korea. I really don't like North Korea. The threat to their neighbours and the horrors they've inflicted on their own population isn't to be underestimated.

If Trump gets real concessions then that will be quite the success however.

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How predictable , that I would expect you to come up with this, that no other President would meet with Kim Jong Un, give him what he wants, it’s as if you have been watching low ratings & Fake News CNN. Because they’ve been saying the same nonsense.

No, no other president wouldn’t and didn’t, because they would not get the opportunity and didn’t even try, with the laidback super soft approach they had.. too busy caring what other world leaders would think of them, if they went in super heavy, threatening to totally obliterate them which is exactly what Trump did and Mattis. Trump does not give a shit, what other world leaders think of him, that’s one of the personal traits that got him elected.

The North Korea threat has been ignored by all the other former Presidents, for decades. Allowing them to build up their Nuclear capability. Trump is totally spot on, that this should have been sorted decades ago.

It is time to sit down and try resolve this, face to face if necessary or are you saying let’s carry on with how it is now, because you cannot possibly accept that Trump would go down in History has one of the most successful Presidents of all time, for heralding a massive peace keeping treaty and finally securing the safety of the Korean Peninsula?

But for you, let’s keep having North Korea throwing up ICBM with Potential Nuclear capability over Japan.

Trump could never win with the Crooked Hillary fans, they were mocking him for his tough stance, saying he is going to get everyone killed in a nuclear conflict but now Trump is going the diplomatic route, which is the best option out of all of them and he still can’t win. It’s pathetic. :rolleyes:

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No need to be rude just because you disagree with me - you may think it’s bollocks, I see it as a different viewpoint.

I have disagreed with you in the past, but never said you speak bollocks.

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Meeting with the President is itself seen as a mark of respect. If you're a hostile nation, i.e Iran, you generally have to make some concession or progress to be granted it.

Obama was cautious with meeting the President of Iran for example. There were backchannel meetings with less senior members of the administrations and eventually a phone call. All whilst the Iranian deal slowly became more likely. He didn't sit down with the President from the get-go. That's what Hugh is getting at.

Yes but I think Trump should ensure they get something first. The worst case scenario is the meeting happens and Kim Jong-un gets footage if it happening, internal NK broadcasts boast of the historical mark of respect by the 'evil Americans', and no concessions are made.

It's also worth noting that these deals have happened before and fallen though because you cannot trust North Korea. Clinton hasn't gone down in history as one of the most successful Presidents of all time for that because he gave them too much credit. As have South Korea. Under the last leadership it was common for NK to show a willingness to talk and deal before accepting aid and then going back to their old ways.

I agree that if Trump manages to get NK to de-arm and become a greater part of the world then that would be a historical achievement, easily the most successful of his Presidency irrespective of what he then does, but I don't trust NK at all.

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Fair enough, I’ve edited my post accordingly and diplomatically offer my apologies. :handshake

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Thanks - very much appreciated.

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BREAKING: North and South Korea set to officially announce the end to War.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/nort...r&par=sharebar

Thank you, President Trump.

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Let's see what else that comes with first. They've not actually been at war for decades. Hopefully this comes with NK scaling back their nuclear weapons program for a start.