Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Are you saying people want to be classed as mentally ill to get benefits? Would you want to get the stigma of being considered mentally incapable for the rest of your life?Because I can assure you it is something that follows you around where ever you go.Even those who are mentally ill don't want to be classed as such and will do anything to hide the fact.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

so where is this sickness coming from ,why are so many people classed as mentally ill .Is it the water ,the food ?something must be causing it .You insist that people don't want to be classed as mentally ill so by extension they must be genuine claimants ,then something is causing the problem,what ?.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Maybe everyone is finding a society that couldn't give a toss about the next man/women/child rather stressful.Maybe modern life is more stressful.Maybe two wars in 10 years and the terrorist attacks have added to everyone's anxiety.Then we have a never ending recession where being poor makes you a target for those who hate poor people.Personally I can't say that I KNOW that there are more mentally ill than ever before and I suspect you have no more idea about that either.

Maybe if the Daily Mail and other papers of that ilk would actually report truthful news for a change we would have a happier society.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Now where did I say every claimant should be paid disability? But I do agree, quite a lot of people do get turned down for Incap/DLA, Because they don't qualify, or down to a factor of just filling in the forms wrongly. But what I do object to is people like yourself saying the way things are now going to be is justifiable.

There will be a lot of people who are genuinely disabled and totally incapable of work who rely on their benefits only to find out the goalposts have now moved way beyond what people 'signed up' for. I was told that the Tories will be making the process easier (sounded good), and I was told that those that need help will get it (sounded even better). But according to you all that is still correct and that's what you believe, well unless you know what you're talking about, you'll see that really is far far from the truth. We've (the genuine) have been hung out and left to dry, but you say you welcome this.. So hopefully you can now see why you've put a few backs up here.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

I don't ,i just took Angua at her word but the figures produced by HMG seem to support it .

around 300 people out of 1,000 will experience mental health problems every year in Britain
230 of these will visit a GP
102 of these will be diagnosed as having a mental health problem
24 of these will be referred to a specialist psychiatric service
6 will become inpatients in psychiatric hospitals.

http://www.mind.org.uk/help/research...ental_distress

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Some medications can cause mental side-effects (Strattera for ADHD is one as my daughter has found out). But the side-effects are less of a problem than the original problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomoxetine

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Martyh also fails to see there been quite few accidents which increased health issues for many not talking the fake car accidentsthe proper accident which done damage. Then there new illnesses even new people collapse or feel ill diagnosed with number illnesses or combinations.

Now they maybe shorterm or long term they still have the right to claim if they pass the new goalpost.

I am not shocked disabilty going up because all these factors.

What are you proposition to solve it LIFO system we only allowed X number those who aint died yet or cured get drop for new member in the queue. It dont work like that you will get sadly increases while medication keeps disabled to live longer or should we be inhumane pull this needed medication. I not suprised with the atitudes and verbal attacks many disabled feel like giving up let the swines win.

Maggy you forgot to mention squeeze on pay high costs one of the biggest factors for mental breakdowns not actually suprised this going up as we see society crumble. Its another short sightedness that it will cause stress anxiety.

The purge on disabled, poor, unemployed will also create big increase.

Once people see no end see money shrink they become inward and depression sets in. I believe the pattern was before during the great depression too. Anxiety, stress, depression link to recessions

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ealth-problems


Suicides go up too sadly although this american so we will get told not in uk it wont.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/heal...des_surge.html

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Quite a few accidents ? care to give any details of this sudden increase in car accidents because I'm buggered if i can find anything about it ,and i feel sure that if the accident rate had risen so much as to noticeably affect the amount of disability claimants i think we would all be aware of it ......not to mention very worried

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Having taken some time off and got over my little bout of depression i am getting my sense of perspective back. What i think the problem is different perspectives and understanding on the two sides. On the one side you have taxpayers being bombarded with negative media exaggerating the scale of the problem within the benefits system being drip fed stories of ridiculous abuse of the system. They also have the government being alittle creative on the information side to keep the taxpayer supportive of this welfare reform process.

On the other side you have those within the system who have a better understanding of how things are changing and negatively the changes are being implemented and how unfairly the changes are being applied. Both sides are upset and neither side is listening to to the other side putting the arguments both sides hsve down to whinging and others with an agenda making sure the divide cannot be bridged.

I voted tory at the last election i fell hook line and sinker for the slick talk and the "we're all in it together" rhetoric and whilst i expected some of it to disappear once they got into power but i never imagined for one minute how badly they would divide this country. I have always agreed that welfare needs reform but i cannot in all honesty support this
current state of reform it has nothing to do with helping those who need it. This whole process is about saving money by whatever means necessary and is so stupidly short sighted it beggers belief.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

No not just talking car accidents alone just when you see whole scope things understand why it could increase. Alsorts acidents even those who pursue life on edge hobbies not saying they should'nt but risks they take can often result in severe injuries. Then there the conflicts we had in last ten years where unfortunate very brave soldiers who sadly have been badly disabled for there country.

All you have to factor in lots cases we will see accident great they recover. Many will be just mere minor but there many who endup with bad disibilities or complications. Plus martyh people just become sick its human nature whether they sick enough the system there to decide. I think we hope it balances but as world changes risks get taken inocents get hurt. I wont even factor for self inflicited which why governments urged the healthy living mantra over the years they saw it coming. Many will cite the smokers many got lied to years back it was safe in thing to do. We as nation cant turn our backs on them surely.

Now you could argue we could change the law insurance pick the tab up for healthcare/living of that person now they cant work. If they did would hate to see what sort numbers insurance premiums goto for those without to cover those claims. fear this may happen at somepoint to ofset costs. Not problem if those dont claim get shafted.

Should business support someone who gets badly injured unable to work due to malpractise. Its certainly food for thought but I not advocating it its defenate one for discusion.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Incapacity tests reject 37% of claimants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17379564

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

And those that are told they are fit to work, (but are really in no fit state to do any work), have to go through the appeals process, and are normally having to wait around 8 to 9 months for their appeal to be heard. (probably a lot longer now due to a backlog).

Also, what about the genuinely disabled who are too scared to appeal the DWP's (with the help of the ATOS examiners) decision? I wonder what the figures would drop to then?

No wonder some of these "victims" find suicide to be the only viable option. What effects do they have on the overall figures?

Link

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

All this is a waste of time and money, that could be spend creating new decent jobs

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

When are you going to add something proper and constructive to a topic? I can't see any sense on most of your posts, and it's getting annoying when you see a new post then hoping that there's something to add to a topic only to see that you keep posting the same rubbish throughout each threads.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities